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Home » Reader Submission » Reader's submission: Thai son's conscription report
Reader's submission: Thai son's conscription report
Dear readers,
This is a warning to those with a son. Now a Belgian I know has a 20 year old son and I asked him if he hadn't heard anything about his son's military service, he hadn't.
Coincidentally, a few days later, a cousin of my son, who lived in Pattaya and turned 17 years old, called my almost 18 year old son and asked him if he had already reported to the Amphur for registration of military service. We knew nothing about it.
When asked how he knew this, it turned out that he had received a call from the Pattaya Amphur to report when he turned 17. My wife and son went the same day to the Amphur, where I live, where my son was fined Baht 220- for reporting late.
Didn't help mother dear that he never had a call, he was late and was his responsibility.
Be warned!
Submitted by: theoS
Don't quite get it. Did your son not acquire Dutch nationality at birth? It's your son, right? Should he join the Thai army?
I live in Germany, I also have a son with both a Thai passport and a Dutch passport, must he also report? he will be 17 years old in September, does anyone know more about this?
thanks in advance for any response….
Now the above question has got me thinking. We have a son who is over 12 years old. Born in the Netherlands and lived there for 6 years. However, he also has a Thai passport for entry and exit, but still Dutch.
Will he now also have to take up arms in Thailand? Officially, the Netherlands is not allowed to serve in a foreign power without permission from the Netherlands. How about this?
If you go into foreign military service, you lose your Dutch nationality
In this case he will not go into foreign military service because he also has Thai nationality.
Also the Turks who may have been in the Netherlands for 3 or 4 generations, the children still have to do military service in Turkey if they also have Turkish nationality in addition to the Dutch one.
For that reason I never applied for a Thai passport for my son (13).
In Thailand he is not known. However, in the Netherlands, due to his father's Thai (and Dutch) nationality, he automatically received his Thai in his passport. We had no choice in this.
If someone has a Thai passport, it can be assumed that, in this case, he also has Thai nationality.
Ergo…….
That's right, conscripted under Thai law, and if also having Dutch nationality, also conscripted under Dutch law.
Mind you, in the Dutch case there is no compulsory attendance.
I seem to have heard that staying fat outside Thailand means only a delay, not a cancellation, until a certain age.
The Thai authorities assume that everyone is familiar with the military event.
Dear Marcus, he has Thai and Dutch nationality and lives in Thailand, so he is conscripted in Thailand. He did not automatically get the NL nationality because I had to recognize him 1st.
My girlfriend's son, now living in the Netherlands for almost a year, will also be 17 in October, what are the consequences of this, are we planning to go to Thailand for a holiday at the end of December or are we already too late? Please any answers to this.
Ask if at the Thai Embassy as this is all news to me as well. If he had to report, he would still have to live in Thailand and be registered. Again, IF this were the case, he could report every day on the Amphur he doesn't have because he doesn't live here. Will pay a fine. These are all assumptions, I don't know either.
Incidentally, I believe that Thailand and the Netherlands have no agreement on the mutual recognition of "the first exercise".
Could mean in theory, if the Netherlands still had compulsory attendance, someone would have to perform the first exercise twice.
I also believe that performing military service on account of nationality does not count, under Dutch law, as serving in a foreign military service.
If you live in Thailand and your son has a Thai passport with registration as a resident of Amphur, it is only logical that he also has to do Thai military service. After all, he enjoys the benefits of being a Thai resident and must also follow the duties. If he relies on a Dutch passport and identity, this is only possible if he is staying in Thailand as a tourist on a Dutch passport. If you have emigrated and deregistered from the GBA, you will not be called up to serve in the Dutch army. If you come back and fall within the age group open to enlistment, you may get a call-up. If you have previously served abroad as a foreign resident and you return, the rule that you may only have one passport applies, which is a Dutch passport as a Dutch resident.
The Thai armed forces expect a contingent of nearly 100.000 "enlistees" this year. Thai military service lasts 2 years.
This contingent of almost 100.000 will initially be filled with “volunteers”. Young men who are found to be healthy can be employed from the age of 18. Only for men, not for women... and for those who do not believe they belong to either category, it is complex.
In second order, the quota is filled by drawing lots. Men aged 21 are the object of the draw. Taking a black receipt out of the barrel is not a service, a red receipt means serving the country for 2 years.
Up to the age of 30, a Thai young man can be called up for the draw. 50% chance he draws a red receipt.
In practice, the red receipts are “negotiable”. Thai youngsters whose family is in a bad way sometimes exchange their red receipt with the second kind of "volunteers", those who get a good number of baths in exchange.
Boys with Thai nationality can be fully or partially exempted from military service due to (certain) higher education.
Many a son originating from a Thai-foreigner relationship applies for Thai nationality after his 30th birthday, in order to pass the draw for military service. Before that, he goes through life with his foreign nationality and passport.
I do not get it. Thailand has about 65 million inhabitants.
The birth rate is about 13 per 1000, so 13.000 per million.
So 13.000 * 65 = 845.000 births per year.
Let's assume that 400.000 of them are and remain male.
Even without volunteers, with a demand of 100.000 per year, the chance of a red receipt is only 25%.
If there are (for example) 20.000 volunteers, the chance is only 20%.
Would be quite correct if….
All called up also continue with the selection.
On the intake day, approximately 40% of those called up appear to be eligible for, at least, the request for postponement.
Out of curiosity and at the invitation of a friend, I attended the selection day and the turnout day.
A real eye opener.
Of the nearly 1000 people called up, 340 were postponed.
Of the 660 remaining, 223 volunteered to serve.
Considering that at least 500 guys really had to come out of this round, after deducting the called real and fake ladies, rejected sick and weak, the chance of drawing lots was over 72%.
So a bit higher than thought above arithmetic.
The turnout day was completely an eye opener.
How it is possible that 56 buses could be filled with recruits in time is a mystery to me, but it did happen.
Only 5 people called did not show up and could expect a visit from the MP.
What I am talking about is the registration for the Thai military service that every young man of 17 years old has to register for, which I did not know. He received an epistle, A4 size, wrapped in a watertight plastic cover. Does he have to bring when he is called up for the draw that took place for him in the Thai year 2561 (2018?), so then he is 21 years old. Was told by the Amphur. What else happened to that Belgian and his son who is already 20 years old and has never reported? Who knows. Some Thais say, where I live, that normally they come home from the Amphur and make a personal call. Others say with the well-known Thai logic, 'Mai loe, I don't have a son' What the various questioners ask with a NL-Thai son in the Netherlands, ask or at the Thai Embassy how that is. I am, this is personal, always been hesitant about 2 things, tax evasion and evasion of military duty, which I consider a duty to my country of birth.
Another thing, just heard from my wife that my daughter's Thai husband, years ago, ransomed himself for 50,000 Baht so that his ticket wouldn't come up. Also a way. I laughed but it's not for me.
Son of a friend in the Netherlands, 21 years old, has Thai and Dutch nationality, lives in the Netherlands, is registered in Thailand at Grandma's address.
I don't know exactly how the convocation procedure went, but anyway in 2014 he had to appear in Thailand to participate in the draw. There was a light judging prior to the draw.
He was drawn, lucky for him, because he doesn't speak a word of Thai.
So in my opinion it was partly decisive in this situation that he was registered as living in Thailand, that he resides permanently in NL is not the determining factor.
Nico B