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Home » Reader Submission » Reader Submission: Bad Manners of Foreigners
Reader Submission: Bad Manners of Foreigners
I want to talk about the manners of some foreigners. I am annoyed green and yellow by the manners of some. Today is the pinnacle of these bad manners.
The immigration office in Chachoengsao no longer issues forms for renewal of the driver's license due to the bad manners (big mouth) of foreigners. Now we are forced to travel to the embassy in Bangkok.
I would like to point out that you are a guest here in this beautiful country, so behave accordingly and don't ruin it for others!
Submitted by Bernd
Dear Bernard
Still want to comment on this.
Speaking of bad manners…
Had to go to Immigration, in Udon Thani, to have my visa transferred and it almost coincided for renewal of my annual visa in my new passport.
The lady was busy stamping and asked my girlfriend 500 bath for the transfer, I heard this and said, I don't pay because it's free.
Made it known that this was corruption, and again, do not pay.
She beckoned to the back, the office, and said, the Boss.
Normally you get a proof of payment against payment of the 1900 bath for renewal, asked for it 2 times, did not get it.
Maybe that money went the other way.
A few months before, at the same immigration office, a statement to open an account at the bank, asking price 400 baht paid.
Yes I am a guest, but these people abuse their position, because sometimes you have no choice and depend on them.
Henry Em
this is also free in Nonthaburi
Dear Hennie, I don't fully understand your problem. Transferring from visa to new passport simply costs B.500. Renewing does indeed cost B.1900. They are 2 different actions and don't see what's corrupt about that!!!!
Last year I had him transferred to a new passport in korats that was free.
The cost for one year extension based on retirement is still 1900 bath.
Transferring stamps from, among other things, retirement visa extension and the last entry date stamp in Thailand that you receive upon arrival, among other things, at an airport from old to new passport is still free.
Jan Beute.
Ditto in Chiang Mai. Free
@Harry,
Then we also accepted a “mistake”.
To Bangkok for a new passport.
With new passport (man and woman) to immigration to transfer visas. Baht 3800.–.
More than a month later a new visa application, (this could not be done at the same time as determining the number of days.) And we happily received Baht 3800.– to pay again.
So Harry, Henny Em is just right, we've been lifted again.
This happened on Soi 5.
If we still experience this, I will let you know in 10 years how it was done.
LOUISE
Dear Louise,
I still find it strange and probably don't understand it either, but if you need a new passport you can also arrange it a month earlier if that happens with the visa then you did it in one go, didn't have it either the feeling of being lifted.
In this case it is a matter of planning.
State clearly readable is free also asked me for 500 baht asked for proof of payment we can't give so didn't pay didn't transfer the stamps stapled my passports together and threw them at me? That is also ok, the lady in Udon Thani immigration claimed, unfortunately it cost me a few hours at the border on a holiday trip to Laos, I could not leave the country. Then its to immigration
office in Nongkai and transferred those stamps for FREE?
YOU may also wonder why these “bad manners” have arisen. The story of Hennie makes your blood swirl and can result in "the big mouth". Everywhere you read these stories and is therefore due to employees of the Thai government. They can and do generate an extra income.
So yes, bad manners, from whom?
Dear Henry,
I have been to immigration in Udon a number of times, for various things. Always very helpful and never had any problems.
It might be useful if you were better informed about what a certain service costs.
Do not just accuse officials at immigration of corruption from your gut feelings along the lines of officials are by definition corrupt in Thailand.
'Travel to the Embassy of Bangkok'??? The only thing that Immigration has to do with the issue/renewal of driver's licenses is the issue of the required Certificate of Residence. No Embassy, even the non-existent Bangkok Embassy, can issue this certificate. So: what exactly do you mean?
The author of the introductory article starts boldly with and I quote “I want to talk about the manners of some foreigners. I am annoyed green and yellow by the manners of some. Today the epitome of these bad manners”.
After which his argument stops, this seems to me little or no argument (you) to then hand out the black piet.
Of course there are countless examples of corruption on all fronts, police from high to low participate in this, large amounts of money or "just" expensive watches that change their wrist in a very devious way. After a pleasant evening in a bar with the necessary drinking ladies, you are made clear that this is really the bill AND must be paid. If this leads to any commotion, Thai JEROMMEKE will be introduced. After which the choice is very simple to pay or stumble with a considerable number of teeth less in your mouth than when you entered that bar smiling cheerfully. I think that many holidaymakers, afterwards scratching their heads behind the lazy ear of such a beautiful-looking young lady who leaves him penniless in his hotel room, sleeping off his intoxication thanks to drink and a pill. Cars, scooters, motorcycles and jet skis are often the subject of arguments because the loaned equipment was handed over to the customer in tip-top condition, but is now “heavily damaged” when you pay the amount you have to pay to repair the “damage”. brings back.
Well, I could go on for half an hour or more, but I'll leave it at that! Wishing everyone a happy holiday, you have been warned and a warned person counts for two!
What Hennie writes has nothing to do with bad manners. If there is any corruption, the Thais do so in a polite manner. That's what the article was about and not your alleged corruption. Totally out of place here, I think.
I also sometimes notice that foreigners believe that they can get everything done with a big mouth and don't give a damn about it being the other way around. Fortunately not too often.
When I talk about foreigners' bad manners, for example, I find the clothing of some to be a salient point. Walking down the street in a bikini in Hua Hin or another city is not appropriate in Thailand. Also not the translucent cloths that some ladies wear and you can still see the bikini, is a no-go. Whether people spend their money here and whether Hua Hin is known as a seaside resort, does not mean that people show themselves in swimwear outside the designated areas (beach and swimming pool).
Then this week I saw a (probably) German in a food court, who barked at his wife because she had also bought water, while the gentleman did the same. She finally had to listen to him!!
Swearing and, as in the picture above, raising the middle finger at Thais who in our eyes drive the wrong way can cost you your life and is bad behavior at the very least.
These are just a few things I can name… I can name more, but then I would also be included (yes I sometimes behave completely wrong, unconsciously, I admit. There is no point in playing the saint and the pointing the finger at others… I want to be aware and try to change that behavior…
There will be some rude foreigners, but to punish the whole group for that is below par. And to place a call here to behave decently I think is highly exaggerated.
We all know that some Thais sometimes try to be quite abusive and at such moments you should make it clear that you do not accept that.
Dear Henry Em,
You seem to neglect that you chose Thai culture…
And that includes Asian corruption………
I've been here for 15 years now and I'm still happy with my stay…
In your own country you experience other “nice” things !!
There is indeed little corruption, but perhaps you are better off there
Then I would really like to make a counterpoint.
We have been enjoying coming to Thailand for almost 10 years and have already met a lot of lovely helpful Thai people.
Last May we flew back from Chiang Mai to Bangkok with a suitcase that was too heavy.
(yes too much shopping) I already had the amount I had to pay ready.
The flight attendant had us take the suitcase off the belt, make sure no one was watching her, and let us put it back on while she pressed a button. We saw the weight of the suitcase shoot down.
She smiled at us and said good flight.
Few days later in Ayuthhay we walked along the road looking for a taxi or tuk tuk.
The road widened and still no taxi so we were discussing what to do, cross and try there or go back to the hotel and call a taxi there. It didn't come to that because a young girl came out of a pick-up that had been standing there for a while. Using google translate she asked where we were going and what we were going to do. After we told that we wanted to go to the nightmarket. She consulted with her father, they made room in the pick-up and they took us to the night market. There she arranged a tuk tuk for the way back and she didn't want a penny for it. And no, the tuk tuk back was nothing more expensive either 😉 In short, let's not forget that there are also a lot of nice people walking around
Dear Carolien , that the suitcase was too heavy and the check - in stewardess helped or rather dulled you , that is not a form of corruption .
What happens here is that revenue belonging to the airline disappears in your favor.
If the story had been the other way around that you had to pay too much extra than usual, you would certainly have become angry.
Jan Beute.
Janbeute, you must want to react with all your might, don't you? What's corrupt about that? Corruption is taking a bribe for one's own benefit. Now I wonder what advantage that flight attendant had? The plane was probably not full and there was still enough room.
And if the benefits were for Caroline, why??? What is she going to do with this 'matsing'. Did she ask for it? Was she supposed to do something for the stewardess and was she doing it for her own benefit?
Rules are there to be bent. I love that people like that flight attendant exist. I have been a flight attendant myself and I know how weight is handled.
I myself have experienced it a few times that my suitcase was too heavy. Then took the heavy parts out of my suitcase and put them in my backpack. I took it into the cabin. My total weight with luggage remained the same..
If the checkin lady asked for money it is corruption, if she did not ask for money (which was the case here) it is not corruption. Whether it is the right thing to do or not I leave in the middle, is not important for this discussion.
We are not 'guests' here at all, but have the right to stay here if we comply with (inter)national obligations. A 'guest' can never claim this, but is entirely dependent on the benevolence of the host.
Agree with you Nick. A foreign person with a valid long-stay visa or residence permit is not a 'guest'. He can feel fine as a (semi?) inhabitant of the country and is. You may not be a compatriot, but more than someone who is on holiday for a while. Furthermore, adhere to the law and general standards of decency. In short, follow the procedures, have patience and respect and then you will come a long way in life. That kite applies to foreigners in Thailand as well as those in the Netherlands.
I have to admit that I have to chuckle out of a kind of pity when I read from some that they have only just learned in Thailand that shouting and raising your voice is not helpful and is not good… let alone those who never learn…
Dear Han,
Sit down at the immigration office for a while and observe the people and you'll know exactly what I mean!
It's even worse in the office in question they don't do any extra work for foreigners anymore so the good ones have to suffer again.
Dear Bernard,
Like most farang, come there on a regular basis and have never seen anything weird except for a bunch of Burmese yelling about something. I am also always helped very correctly, I have nothing to complain about.
Sometimes something will happen, but in my opinion you cannot punish the entire population of foreigners for that.
Immigration sometimes provides services that are not part of their duties, but may provide them for a fee.
Whether transferring a visa is part of their duties, I do not know, but if not, it is not unreasonable if they ask for a fee - without proof of payment, of course.
The choice is then up to everyone to choose and pay for that non-mandatory service, or else to go to the right authority.
I am currently in the Netherlands and apply for my annual Non O imm visa on the basis of marriage at the Thai Embassy in The Hague. Do this for the 6th time and before that many times a 60-day visa and therefore know how it works somewhat.
Before I travel to The Hague, I always have contact with the Th embassy by email and then ask whether my documents are complete or whether there are any additions or changes. I always get an email back with the answer.
This year I hadn't paid attention (too much chatter) and had received a wrong excerpt from the municipality without paying attention to it. Placed in the folder with other documents and traveled to The Hague the next day.
In front of me was a couple who also came for a visa and wanted to withdraw money. When the employee kindly pointed out to them that this was not possible, but there was an ATM within a 5-minute walk, the already small cubicle became too small and the gentleman thought he could use verbal abuse to tell them that it was retarded, etc. Result out anyway and the statement that sir did not have the correct documents and had to come back tomorrow with the correct documents and cash.
I was next and handed over the documents and the employee pointed out to me that one document was incorrect and well then I said myself but then I will come back in 2 days. The young man smiled at me kindly and asked if he could see my passport because he thought he recognized me and looked at my almost stamped passport and said that he would consult with his boss. Back on Friday and my visa was neatly arranged. Already had a box of biscuits in my backpack and handed it over for the nice service and the young man kindly said see you next year sir.
My message is really that you get back what you give and that doesn't matter where you do it and to whom, but usually a polite attitude will get you more than a big mouth, anywhere in the world.
Dear Bert,
You say above now exactly how it is, I had also read something wrong, I explained it nicely, was kindly helped with the announcement next time as a reminder.
But yes, if you willfully and knowingly violate the rules, you should not think that you can bend it to your will with a big mouth.
But this topic has come up many times on this blog.
Bernd, all over the world you will find people with bad manners, to the point of rudeness. You can assume that they will continue to display this attitude during a stay in Thailand. Crossing a country border will not affect their acquired behaviors or character. How you can say so firmly that immigration in Chachoengsao no longer issues papers for renewal of a driver's license, you do not explain. Actually, I can't make much of your entry and your appeal to foreigners to behave 'properly' will have no effect at all.
Well, what do you think of the costs that a Dutch municipality (Breda in this case) charges, just to verify your signature? € 12,50! I needed that for the Schengen visa for my Thai partner and requested that they immediately verify a second form with my signature, in case the first was lost in the mail. That was not possible for the same € 12,50 and would cost me another € 12,50. So this had nothing to do with bad manners or corruption… just the rigidity of the bureaucratic mill that you can encounter everywhere!
There are rude foreigners, but also think that it is due to the Thai.
Because of the ever-changing rules, and the rules regionally, it is a reaction to action.
On Monday at the department of transport, fill in the forms present and check and another one had to be added. She ticked this off on a piece of paper where the rules were IP. Everything else was fine.
So the next day with the stack supplemented with the new ones I delivered the stuff.
After 15 minutes I was nicely informed by a young man that my papers were not in order. The correct visa was missing. How so? I had no work permit. No, I have a non-immigrant 0. This is sufficient for a driver's license.
Strange that it worked yesterday. Well, the party was off.
Tell him to check the rules.
So just hand in the same one at another office and get the driver's license after the formalities.
Being friendly to the Thai is normal. However, some standards of decency are exceeded by the Thai.
As a pedestrian, they still dare to drive over your feet.
As motorists they cut and if you don't let them go ahead they are indignant.
In shopping centers you are expected to wait your turn at the cash registers. The tha is a ridiculous precursor. Restore is my system. When using the bus? intrude. If you say something about it, they are angry.
The scope of my response;
There are rude people in all walks of life.
And it's not specific to immigration personnel.
We have very good experiences with all target groups in Thailand. The bad experiences are sometimes hard to deal with but sometimes..
Especially when a motorbike drives over the sidewalk and expects me to pull over. So not nice. Well then they get angry and I'm the one who does wrong.
Who is rude?
My girlfriend says: this is Thailand.
Unfortunately, reading some of the comments is already very clear how the behavior is
And indeed with politeness you still achieve the most. In any case, it has become clear to me how people behave in the host country, pff
Maybe thinking about your own behavior can't hurt, I think.
Submitted the construction plan last year and had to pay something like a few hundred Bath, our house turned out to be bigger than they thought, actually had to pay extra, but it was good.
Stay neat and friendly with your language but also body language and you will experience little trouble from “corruption .
It is important to inform yourself where certain things cost, they do not charge the same everywhere.
It's unbelievable someone writes a piece about being annoyed by rude foreigners and the regular complainers turn it around right away.
Of course it depends on the Thai again.
Always complaining some people make it a hobby maybe it's all they have.
You took the words right out of my mouth. Well, that's what some here do when they blame the rude behavior resulting from their experiences with some Thai residents. Blaming someone else for your own behavior is not wanting to take responsibility for yourself.
That's the worst kind to me. I recently broke off a long-standing friendship over this thing with a person who always blamed everyone but himself. Terrible people like that.
Corruption is everywhere, so Thailand is unfortunately no exception…
If you are often cheated as a tourist where you will never be right in one country less and in another more. Not to forget Indonesia .... because there it is part of culture.
Greetings
TonyM