Last weeks it was that time again. It is the month of September and so for me the annual trip to the immigration office in ChaengWattana to extend my visa (based on my new employment contract) and then to the Ministry of Employment to extend my work permit for 1 year.

Now, September is always a busy month there, no doubt because the fiscal year ends on September 30 for a number of companies and institutions in Thailand. New employment contracts will therefore be concluded on 1 October based on the forecasts of the companies and institutions. In recent years it has always been possible to do these two things on the same day. Early in the morning to ChaengWattana, finished there just before or after lunch and then in a hurry to Din Deang for the work permit. Finished there late afternoon and then back home.

This year, however, I was warned. The queues have become exorbitant and I would certainly need a day for each of the desired stamps. Well, I thought, we'll see. I take all my papers to the immigration office anyway, positive as I am. The procedure in the immigration office has changed slightly. Because the queue is so long, it has been decided that you first get a number for the first queue before the office opens. It seems that on some days the first people waiting arrive at 04.30:07.00 am (no, not a typo) while the numbers are handed out at 08.30:07.30 am. This number tells you where to line up until the office doors actually open at 247:08.40 AM. I thought I got there early at 97:XNUMX am but was given number XNUMX for the snake queue that was forming outside the office. As a result - once inside at XNUMX:XNUMX am, I was given number XNUMX to extend my visa. And that meant that I was helped at half past three in the afternoon and my passport was stamped.

Fortunately, I was still able to get a fresh 90-day paper at 4 o'clock. I was home at 5 o'clock. Waiting all those hours and looking around a bit, I discovered that the counters that were all intended for a re-entry permit last year now all had the sign BUSINESS. Apparently, all companies now also have to go to ChaengWattana to extend or apply for visas for their employees. I seem to remember that there used to be separate one-stop-shop offices for that, where they arranged both the visa and work permit. Apparently, there has to be centralization (in a place that was already too small) to maintain law and order. Customer service: never heard of it. While hundreds of expats wait for their stamp, the entire department collectively takes a lunch break at 12 noon.

It was different in the Ministry of Employment. Well, just a little bit then. Just before the lunch break, the head of the department apologizes for the long queues. With an audience of about 100 expats in perfect Thai (while all service staff there speak English). At that moment I am already waiting, with number 237, from 09.30 am. At 15.30 pm it is time. It's my number's turn and I'm helped from A to Z in about 15 minutes. Here too I see Thai employees of Human Resources departments of companies and institutions walking around with piles of blue work permit booklets. Here too, centralization has apparently struck, at the expense of customer-friendliness.

At 4 o'clock in the afternoon my wife and I are outside again. Just outside the gate we pick up a taxi. On the way home, about 30 minutes' drive, the taxi driver tells us that the waiting times in the ministry are a gold mine for him. The Friday before, the work permit office closed at 12 o'clock at night and the expats still present were sent away. The taxi driver thought there had been a party, but stamps were put up until 12 o'clock. And, he said, that's not the only night it's late. When I have dropped you off I will drive back to Din Deang. Long live customer unfriendliness and centralization.

29 responses to “Waiting takes a long time – Experience in 2018 at the immigration office and Ministry of Employment in Bangkok”

  1. Petervz says up

    Chris,
    This 1-stop center only applies to BOI companies and personnel who work there under BOI conditions.
    Why don't you request a PR? Then you never have to stand in line again.

    • Tino Kuis says up

      PR? Permanent residence? The requirements are here:

      http://www.thaiembassy.com/thailand/thai-permanent-residency.php

      and here:

      https://visalearning.com/articles/visa/thailand/permanent-residence-at-thailand/

      You have to know a little Thai, 100 people per year per nationality and didn't the application cost 90.000 baht? I wanted to do it but didn't have the money at the time. I think you also have to re-register once a year. And you still need a re-entry visa. But no 90-day notice. Apply from November to the end of December, I believe.

      • Petervz says up

        It has become quite expensive. Was 25.- for me 25,000 years ago.
        100 per nationality is no problem for the Dutch.
        You never have to register. A re-entry if you want to leave the country, but no queue.
        And furthermore, extend your Registration book once every 1 years for 5 baht.
        No 90-day notification or 24-hour notification by the home owner. You are just standing in the blue Tabien Bahn. And work permit also simple.

        • chris says up

          PR Costs about 100.000 baht now. And no guarantee that you will get it.
          Am now 65. Visa renewal costs 1900 Baht annually. (also paid by my employer, my work permit too; costs are therefore only expressed in time, the waiting)
          For 100.000 baht I can wait a day in immigration for the next 25 years. Hope to get to that age.
          I never do a 90-day notification myself, but send a courier. 24 hour notification: never heard of it. I do not have a registration book and/or tabien bahn book. I rent.
          Make me strong that there will be no more automation in the next 25 years so that physical queues will decrease.

          • Petervz says up

            The homeowner is obliged to report to your address within 24 hours if you have been away for 24 hours or longer.

            • RonnyLatPhrao says up

              Strictly speaking, it is the address responsible of the moment.
              This can also be the tenant as “Head of the household”.

              “According to section 38 of the 1979 immigration act, “House owners, heads of household, landlords or managers of hotels who accommodate foreign nationals on a temporary basis who stay in the kingdom legally, must notify the local immigration authorities within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the foreign national.”

              https://www.immigration.go.th/content/การแจ้งที่พักคนต่างด้าว

          • RonnyLatPhrao says up

            The application is 7600 Baht and you always lose it.
            Only if the application is granted you have to pay 95,700 baht (if married).

            I'm 60 and don't think it's worth it anymore for myself, but everyone has to decide that for themselves.
            Personally, I don't think the benefits I would receive, as a retiree, outweigh the amount I have to pay.
            Then I go to immigration once a year. For my “Retirement” and “Multiple re-entry” I was in March at 0830 in Chaeng Wattana and before noon I was back outside with the necessary stamps. (retirement and re-entry).
            I will send the 90 day notification and TM30 by post. Works fine.
            If it now meant that, for example, with a PR you had the right to own a Rai land in your name, then I would consider it.

            By the way, it is not because you are renting that you cannot apply for a Tabien Job.
            A Tabien Baan is like an address book (and not proof of ownership) that proves your address to authorities that ask for proof of address. Only you cannot (normally) be included as a foreigner in the blue Tabien Baan or you have to be a PR.

            24 hour notification does not exist. The TM30 is a form to report foreigners who arrive and stay there. DShould happen just every 24 hours.
            Suppose foreigners spend the night at your address, it is your obligation to report those foreigners as tenants. After all, you are “head of the household”.

            • RonnyLatPhrao says up

              Correction last paragraph :
              “24 hour notification does not exist.
              The TM30 is a form to report foreigners who arrive at an address and spend the night there. Reporting of this must normally be done within 24 hours, but not every 24 hours.
              Suppose foreigners stay overnight at your address, that is your obligation as a tenant to report those foreigners. After all, you are then “head of the household”.
              But I have written before that people in Bangkok do not really lose sleep over a TM30 report, so….”

            • Joop says up

              Good day,

              You often hear stories about Tabien Baan….it's strange that they gave me a blue Tabien Baan.
              We own a condo and only come a few months a year….
              Is something wrong now?.

              Greetings, Joe

              • RonnyLatPhrao says up

                Every address in Thailand has a blue Tabien Baan. That proves that this address exists.
                Initially, the Tabien Baan is empty.
                If someone comes to live at that address, the name of that resident is written in the Tabien Baan and this is proof that that person is registered at that address.
                So your condo also has a blue tabien lane.

                The law now says that someone who is not Thai or not a PR can not be registered in the blue Tabien Baan.
                To accommodate this, in addition to the blue one, there is a yellow Tabien Baan for foreigners. You can then be registered there.

                Many foreigners therefore own a blue Tabien Baan of their home, which contains the address and possibly the name of their Thai partner, and a yellow Tabien Baan which contains the same address and also their name

                Sometimes it happens that the foreigner is credited in pencil in a blue Tabien Baan or even officially, but if he is not a PR, this is an error due to the municipality's ignorance.

                A tabien job is only proof of address, never of ownership.

        • Jacob says up

          How does that re-entry actually work.
          Do you have to go to immigration before you leave, because I fly at least once a month and that will take a lot of time
          Or is it possible at both airports??

          • conimex says up

            A multiple re-entry can be obtained for 3800 bht at the immigration, on Suvannahbum it is possible to get one, whether that is also possible on Don Mueang, I don't know.

            • Jacob says up

              I read somewhere that with a PR you can't get a multi re-entry...

        • RonnyLatPhrao says up

          Or foreigners have to stay overnight at your address…. Of course you have to do TM30 for them. 😉

          • Erwin Fleur says up

            Dear Ronny,l,P,

            Stick under the belt, would you do that if you throw a party where very
            many people come and stay the night?

            Still Thailand, nice and good info.

            Yours faithfully,

            Erwin

            • RonnyLatPhrao says up

              I'm just saying what the law says you should do.

              What I would do is not important.
              Although, the emoji does make it clear what I would do.

      • Cornelis says up

        Registration opened on September 19 and closes on December 28

      • ruud says up

        I think those links point to outdated information.
        I don't think you can become a permanent resident for 3.000.000 Baht investment.
        I think that is now 10.000.000 Baht.
        But I would like to be corrected by a link to an official government site.

      • RonnyLatPhrao says up

        All information regarding “Permanent Resident” can be found on the Bangkok immigration website.

        http://bangkok.immigration.go.th/en/base.php?page=residence

        Then click on the links in the relevant page for more details.
        Or visit your local immigration office for more details on the conditions.

        ....
        5. Party
        5.1 A non-refundable fee for each application is 7,600 baht. (whether permission is granted or not. Application fee is not refundable.)
        5.2 If the application is approved, the fee for the residence permit is 191,400 baht.
        However, the residence permit fee for spouses and children (under 20 years of age) of aliens who already had the residence permit or Thai citizens is 95,700 baht.
        (This copy is for the applicant's guideline only. It would be subjected to change by government policies and economic conditions. December 2015)

  2. Jacob says up

    Can you arrange PR yourself with your partner or do you need a lawyer?

  3. Jacob says up

    If your company/employer is located in a Special Economic Zone, the One Stop is also a solution

  4. Jack S says up

    Is that agency the same as the ministry for foreign affairs, where you have to get your papers accredited if you want to enter into a marriage, for example?
    There were people walking around who handled things for you at a really bargain price. In the end I was able to make good use of it and saved myself hours of waiting.

    • RonnyLatPhrao says up

      Yes, they are all in the Chaeng Wattana complex

      Immigration Div 1 is in the B building on the ground floor (the application area anyway) and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs/Department of Consular Affairs/Legalization Division should be on the 3rd.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaeng_Watthana_Government_Complex

  5. RonnyLatPhrao says up

    Maybe a nice fact for those who have to go to Chaeng Wattana.

    Maybe bring your running shoes in case you have to wait a long time.
    On the second floor they have created an indoor running track that runs along the inside of the complex.
    The track is in blue, 412 meters long and has three lanes.
    The inner lane is for “Running”, the middle is for “Jogging” and the outer one is for “Walking”.
    As indicated in the lanes.
    Have fun. 😉

    http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30350498

  6. Wim says up

    I can help you in the immigration office, I have acquaintances there and live nearby, feel free to contact me

  7. agnes tammenga says up

    If you have more than 80.000 euros in your bank, then you have to report maa4 1x in 10 years? is this correct?

    • RonnyLatPhrao says up

      No.
      Who invents such things….

      • RonnyLatPhrao says up

        I suspect that they are referring to the Non-immigrant OX visa.
        But even then, you still have to file an address report every 90 days and go to immigration every year to prove you still meet the financial requirements.

        I don't really see the benefits of that visa, but I haven't really studied it in detail yet either. Don't think there is much interest in it either.
        Cannot be applied for by Belgians either. By Dutch people. Why ? No idea.

        You can read about it here.

        http://www.consular.go.th/main/th/other/7394/80938-Non-–-Immigrant-Visa–“O—X”-(Long-Stay-10-years).html

        • RonnyLatPhrao says up

          An advantage may be that your visa holder and if you are 50+ can still do volunteer work.


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