Thai obligations

By The Inquisitor
Posted in Living in Thailand
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July 20, 2018

Retired or not, a person has obligations, even in the land of smiles. But hey, what is a little bit of administration when you have plenty of time. However, things can sometimes go differently than desired.

For example, De Inquisitor was ready to renew his driver's licenses, car and motorcycle. Every five years, so you have long forgotten the conditions you have to meet and often you are confused, our own 'farang' fault because there are a lot of cafe stories floating around the internet.

The Inquisitor first starts planning: a driver's license expires on your birthday. That's the end of July for him, and lo and behold, lucky he's on time because there just happens to be some holidays coming up. King's Birthday and a Big Buddha Day, all public services are suspended. So he set a date early enough to make things right, bearing in mind that you can renew at most thirty days before expiration and that some of the necessary forms must only be a few days old or they will no longer be accepted.

Do you have to collect some forms, Thailand loves bureaucracy. But which? De Inquisitor does not find a single nice list on the internet, but it must be said, he is not a patient man. But proof of residence is required in any case, which must be obtained at the Immigration Office. Sakon Nakhon in this case, driving ninety kilometers. Passport photos too, of course, after thirteen years of living here there must be a mountain of photos of De Inquisitor lying around somewhere, but they have no mercy, new ones are a must. That's a piece of cake: there are plenty of photo shops in the town.
Then there is doubt. Medical certificate or not? The messages are confusing, one says yes, the other no. Knowing Thailand, De Inquisitor knows that local differences are easily possible. And the fact that people are gradually starting to become stricter makes him suspect that it might be mandatory. So The Inquisitor decides for sure, he also goes for this piece of paper.

A medical certificate must be issued by a doctor and that is quite different here in the deep countryside than in a big city. The hospital in the town could work, but that will take De Inquisitor three to four hours, he knows. No matter what time of day you come there, there are crowds of people for consultation. He once counted the seats there out of boredom when he was a driver for a villager. One hundred and eleven chairs. And they are always full, there are usually many people leaning against the wall. Would-be patients accompanied by their family supporters, but still, at least fifty men who need the doctor. Look for an alternative then. The sweet is friends with a doctor who mans a small first aid station in a neighboring village. Can you call him tee rak?

No, he cannot and must not. Do you have to go to the hospital. Damn. Suddenly De Inquisitor remembers a somewhat larger clinic, a typical phenomenon in the area here. They can do a bit more there than in such a small medical post. The Inquisitor once visited when he had contracted a serious cold during a cold fortnight in the winter. But there is always a mass of people there, of course.
But behold, the gods are with The Inquisitor. He passes by after a shopping round for the shop, he was already doubting whether I should or not – and notices that they are just opening. Shutters up, no one is queuing. And yes, they can provide the certificate here! Moreover, De Inquisitor hopes, given his doctor phobia, that he will get it immediately, just like that. But no, he must inexorably go to the doctor.

Friendly man, as much English as De Inquisitor Thai can, so that's no problem. A laundry list of questions, whether The Inquisitor is on medication? No. Does he sometimes feel weak and tired? No. Muscle pains or others? No. Never a headache? No.
And then, aaah, physical examination. Measuring bloodpressure. Ai, The Inquisitor occasionally dares to put his arm in such a machine when he ends up in the local hospital as a driver. And that blood pressure is constantly too high. But behold, "perfect sir!". Oof.
Hammer tap on the knee for the reflexes. OK, works well, The Inquisitor laughs at those unwanted movements. Then eavesdrop on heart and lungs. Ai. The Inquisitor is a smoker. But here too, no problem, and after half an hour De Inquisitor has his medical certificates, because he wants two because he does not want to take the risk that no copies will be accepted. Besides, XNUMX baht each, you can't go wrong.

The next day he sets off, as the first passport photos. Who for the first time do not conjure up any kind of mafia figure. And luckily it thinks along, because she too has to renew her motorcycle license - fortunately without all that paperwork. Copies of your passport! Oh yes, they can here too. Immediately enough, because De Inquisitor has to renew his annual visa within a month and a half. The bill is slightly higher – two hundred and seventy baht.
Immediately on to Immigration in Sakon Nakhon, ninety kilometers away. It's sweet a bit worried because there is a storm warning, moreover it has been raining heavily for days. A heavy, dark cloudy sky, but it stops threatening, there is no rain. Yet you see that not too much water is needed to cause flooding, rivers, pools and rice fields are drowned.

The Sakon Immigration Office has changed. Gone is the friendly, the family. Top bureaucracy, the official is in charge and you will wait. Only they forgot to add some kind of sequential number system and it's coming and going. With irritating ladies who like to crawl in front. After half an hour it's De Inquisitor's turn. “Certificate of residence please”. huh? The man on duty apparently falls from the sky. Someone else calls in, The Inquisitor has to go to the more hidden offices behind the scenes. Where an annoying little officer, with cropped hair, costume full of decorations on the chest, listens sullenly to The Inquisitor his supervisor. He doesn't even look at The Inquisitor and shakes his head no. The attendant asks The Inquisitor to go back and wait. After fifteen minutes he comes back with the message that the guy who can make these certificates is not there. Located in Kalasin. That is one hundred and fifty kilometers away…. Wait about two hours. Well, The Inquisitor's mood immediately drops, but leaving is not an option, that is driving one hundred and eighty kilometers for nothing.

After an hour and a half someone comes to get The Inquisitor and takes him back to that annoying little officer. Who wants his passport and starts filling out the form… . It won't be true, will it? Kl##tzak. It gets worse. Five minutes later he presents the forms, yes, two more, that risk of copying, isn't it. And asks for a thousand baht.
The Inquisitor is perplexed at so much guts and malice. His brain works at lightning speed, what to do about it? Well, you can start making your ears at that moment, but you have to be helped back here again and again. The only thing The Inquisitor can say is . The officer, barely six feet tall, takes the Inquisitor's passport from the table and puts it out of reach. Says nothing, just a fake smile. OK, The Inquisitor is a victim of corruption here. Just pay.
The first fifteen minutes of the ride back is in minor, even the sweet finds it scandalous.

Sixty-five kilometers further we stop in Pankon where they issue the driver's licenses. And hooray! Everything goes wonderfully smoothly here. We can enter immediately, carry out the tests and watch television, warnings and accidents, for an hour and a half. Back to the counter on the ground floor where they take pictures again, wait a while and the new driver's licenses are ours. And you can't resist the price: three hundred and five baht for a motorcycle license, five hundred and fifty five for the car.
That makes us both happy again, a food stop a la Isaan where the sweetheart laughs to death at the sight of The Inquisitor who now has to eat very spicy things and hopelessly returns from the toilet - here it is even too primitive for him for a big message.

Back home, we keep the shop closed, she talks sweetly to her youngest sister who lives in Bangkok and works at the … Anti-Corruption Office there.
She reports what happened to us at Immigration. Well, The Inquisitor should have been smarter. Simply, when asked for a thousand baht, he should say one need. They have to, they are required to. Should other people join in, there will be a fuss without making noise or causing loss of face. Does that duty officer have a choice: either he writes them out at a thousand baht and then he is screwed. Because with that you can move on. Or, he admits and charges the normal amount, one hundred and fifty baht each. You can also go further if you refuse to write them an invoice, because they must always have a duplicate in their accounting – remember, you should always sign an invoice yourself.
Oh yes, and you can sue an Immigration Office if they don't post a full price list. But De Inquisitor does not start with that, although there is only a limited list in Sakon.
Oh yes, and luckily he didn't work with copies. They must indeed have the originals, both the proof of residence and the medical certificate.

So you see, quickly fix it? Hello, it takes some effort and hassle. But all's well that ends well. For the next five years anyway.

36 Responses to “Thai Obligations”

  1. Henk Nizink says up

    I enjoy reading your pieces over and over again, keep writing

  2. Ger Korat says up

    In Nakhon Ratchasima, a Certificate of Residence costs 500 baht each, for years. I think the official calculated the correct rate for 2 pieces.

    • The Inquisitor says up

      Four years ago I also needed it for the purchase of a new car.
      Sakon Nakhon too. One hundred and fifty baht each.

      • Cornelis says up

        300 baht in Chiang Rai and only need one original for two driver's licenses.

    • librahuket says up

      certificate of residence is basically a free service, but….

  3. HarryN says up

    Passport photos ?? I thought you don't need it anymore. A photo is taken at the office where they issue driver's licenses and is printed on the driver's license (credit card format). You don't need them for the other documents, but you may still need them for the Cert. or Residence..

    Inquisitor have you not applied for a yellow book yet?

    • The Inquisitor says up

      Passport photos for proof of residence.
      And no, I don't want that yellow book. Too much hassle.

      • Gertg says up

        A lot of hassle indeed, but only once. If you have this yellow booklet, you can also get a pink ID card. Then you will never have to go to immigration again for a cert. or residence.

        Saves baths and time.

        • Antoine says up

          I live in Aranyaprathet and have the yellow house booklet, after indeed a lot of hassle, but it has yielded nothing for me so far. Renewing your driver's license in SaKaeo, sent back because they still demanded the certificate of residence. Buy a car and register it in my name, no sir, the yellow book is not good, please receive a certificate of residence. It can be collected from Immigration in Aranyaprathet for 500 Baht without receipt.

      • Cornelis says up

        Passport photos are not required in Chiang Rai for the 'certificate of residence'. I have used the application form for this certificate that can be found on the internet and it does not say anything about photos either.

    • gore says up

      And even if you have that yellow booklet, they don't accept it for driver's license. At least not here in Banglamung. Just a certificate. or Residence of Immigration.

  4. fred says up

    In Banglamung (Chonburi – Pattaya) you can extend the five-year driver's license from 90 days before the expiry date and this until 1 year after.

    • The Inquisitor says up

      As I wrote – lots of local differences.
      Have a friend who lives there and he said he didn't need a medical certificate either.

  5. Thick says up

    I renewed my moped driver's license a month ago and that went "without any problems". Go to immigration with a copy of your passport, copy of customs stamp and copy of visa and 2 passport photos. Within half an hour I had the certificate of residence.
    Then to Naklua for a health clearance. Blood pressure measured (good) and doctor asks: how are you feeling. Answer; fine
    Within 5 minutes the health certificate (costs 100 baht)
    Off to the office for renewal: copies of passport etc, however the copy of the old driver's license was half A4 and that was not good. Got a paper where I had to put my phone number on and sign.
    Took tests and watched a movie, paid 305 baht and yes... new driver's license. I check my date of birth (I was told to do that) and sure enough...I was suddenly 40 years younger. Wrong moon and year of birth. Miss angry because I had signed the form with my date of birth on it. I explained to her that I can't read Thai, so I didn't know it had my date of birth on it. Anyway, it was still my fault and I had to pay 55 baht to print a new driver's license. It took 6 hours in total, but I have my new driver's license for 6 years!!!

    • Thick says up

      addition: health statement was not requested

  6. steven says up

    If you renew a driving license after the expiry date, you will get it until your first birthday + 5 years, so you can get almost 6 years.

  7. l.low size says up

    Driving with an expired driver's license, no matter how short, does not seem wise to me.
    This is due to a possible collision.

  8. Chiang Mai says up

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  9. hansman says up

    I can always read your posts with pleasure and a smile… Thank you so much.

  10. Yuundai says up

    The entire story of De Inquisitor is almost a duplicate of what I experienced yesterday in Chaam. I also went to the doctor in Hua Hin who gave me a health certificate and asked for 300 baht. On reflection I did not have to submit or issue this statement, strange but true.
    The statements obtained at immigration were issued in duplicate, including passport photos, after which I heard that I still had to watch an “instructional video”. Because we drove to Chaam together early, we were able to report to the counter at 8.30 am, so my boyfriend and his girlfriend had to wait until I had to undergo the lowest level puppet show, in retrospect. The video was in Thai with a lot of Thai written explanation, so for me it was a long wait and total misunderstanding of what was being discussed. Because it had previously been said that we had to wait until 9.00 a.m., it turned out that this had to be postponed to 10.00 a.m. When at almost 10.30 am there was no attempt to start the video, I told them in plain Dutch what I thought about it. This turned out to have made quite an impression and the boss came along and stated that if I did not behave I would I was going to get my papers back and had to apply for my driving licenses elsewhere, so I was back in my cage like a dog. After 1,5 hours we were allowed to leave the room, and at first I thought there would be a sequel in English, but nothing like that, so we sat 1,5 hours ahead of Jan with the short surname. The people who arrived more than an hour late simply walked with the flow because of the baths they handed over to the “instructor”. Then followed the well-known reaction test, to see whether or not you were color blind or had very bad eyesight. My friend can't see anything with one eye, but he still received the necessary approval after paying 500 bath. During the final formalities and taking photos for the driver's license, I had to take off my glasses and my visually impaired friend was allowed to keep his glasses on. Anyway, it was clear how unorganized this process was, like so many things in Thailand, for the time being I have my driving license again for 5 years, by then everything will have changed again, I'm afraid!

    • Rob V says up

      Then what did you say? “Excuse me sir/madam, we have been waiting for the video since 9am. Can you tell me when it starts?" . Or try such a phrase in English or Thai combined with a smile. Then you have to meet a very grumpy official to be sent into your pen as a dog.

      • Ger Korat says up

        Nonsense of course, if you live in Thailand you adapt and follow the path that the Thais also follow. You don't ask what time it starts or why it starts later, but you wait patiently. As is often the case, I do not understand why many pensioners make it a point to wait a few hours. So that one has a busy job and many necessary obligations elsewhere that one urgently needs to go to? So no ! Don't worry about anything, pick up your phone and play some games or read on the internet. If, as an older person, you are still worried that you have to take a few hours off for something, especially in Thailand, where the Thai people do not openly complain, then you have a problem.

        • Rob V says up

          The Thai way? One Thai or Dutch person will wait patiently until closing, another is on hot coals after 15 minutes and number 3 is somewhere in between. Overall, I think punctuality in Thailand is a bit less (but also in Thailand you have to be on time for work, for example), but having to endure everything is really the other extreme. I don't see the Thais doing that now either. After waiting for some time to confirm, politely asking what time something starts or ends is really not un-Thai.

          And who says they were all elderly people in that cage? There may also have been people who only had the morning off from work or other obligations later in the day. I agree with you that some elderly people have an obsession with time, in the Netherlands and Thailand they can learn to count to 10 and show some patience. But as a kind of simple soul, letting everything go is going too far for me.

          Reminds me of the tip of a commenter in 2016 who wrote if you get involved in a car accident “Also make sure you look a little silly and show that you are a foreigner and do not understand what is going on .” 555

          The Netherlands and Thailand are not 2 completely different worlds, the accents are a bit different, but you can stick to your basic principles as long as you remain polite. Showing respect (and understanding) and a smile sometimes work wonders and that way you don't end up as a simple toy or zombie-like figure. Making a lot of flashy commotion, of course you shouldn't do that, in both Thailand and the Netherlands.

    • Pieter says up

      Nice story, I also depend on Chaam because of my driver's license and have had exactly the same experience with the mandatory viewing of the film. I also had a conflict with that boss, a little man.
      When leaving he told my Thai girlfriend that he would see me again in 5 years, with a cynical smile.
      But next time, you can also go to the toilet (read car) during the movie, and relax there.
      I did.

  11. jochen says up

    You can renew your driving license after your birthday and then you will receive your new driving license for 6 years.
    You have been living in Thaland for so many years why you still don't have a yellow book (Tabien-Baan) for Falang.
    Then you never have to go to Immigration again and you can also ask for an ID card at the same department. They think this is good when applying for a new driver's license.
    Next time you will never have any problems. I've been here in Thailand for 25 years and never had any problems.

    • theos says up

      I don't have a yellow book either and I don't see the advantage of it. Live here for more than 40 years and never had any problems with anything and that without such a yellow nonsense thing.

  12. Phalang tone says up

    Coincidentally, this week I applied for Visa, re-entry and papers for motorcycle and car driver's licenses in the same office. For the payment of proof of residence for the driver's license, 500 baht per form was requested. We asked for proof of payment, was flatly refused.
    Why they sent you to Pang Khon for the driver's license is a mystery to me, you could also do this in Sakon. Or not? I was not asked for a doctor's certificate for the driver's license. The only test I had to take was 'red, green or orange light'. The brake test for speed response was not included this time, because broken…
    Then had to watch a movie about traffic for another 45 minutes, but after 10 minutes everyone was strumming on their smartphone or sleeping…

  13. Best martin says up

    In Sa Kaeo, red, yellow, green test. Health certificate (Doctor). Watch a traffic movie (Haha). Copy of my path gate.
    Photos are taken by them. I was outside again after 2 hours with an expired driver's license.

  14. Walter says up

    Sigh so recognizable. I Never saw a motorcycle, almost afraid of those big things, but necessary for my Honda Click ... Get driver's license renew all document very easy to get. Once Thai car driver's license my wife winks, Mai luum motorcycle… Oh, you can drive.. Yes wheelie, rights side of the road I joke.. Okay sit down.. Click plastic plate at less than 500 Baht.

  15. Walter says up

    Oh, giving money without a receipt (bin) still good, when I got married in Bangkok, ladies claimed that you had to have witnesses, pushed money.. Desk further… Did the ladies ask money, tes, meh pen rai, I said, little man got up… And came back with the loot… No need sir, don't do it okay…. Hahaha or in Thai 555 Ladies were less charmed.

  16. janbeute says up

    The last time I renewed or extended both my driving licenses was a year and a half ago.
    This at the Thai RDW in the provincial capital of Lamphun.
    Medical examination is not necessary at all , only at the first time .
    Passport with the valid retirement extension stamp and photocopy.
    The yellow house book with photocopy
    I was even 2 months overdue because I had an operation around the due date, say your birthday.
    Take the test and watch the movie.
    A photo is then taken that is optically used in your new driver's license, which resembles a credit card. And of course pay the applicable fees.
    All together it took less than half a day .
    And what a godsend a yellow book is.
    No problem if you buy a car or moped or big bike and can register it in your name without any problem.
    The car and bike dealers have the registration in their name, neatly arranged after submitting the copies of course.
    And if you also pay income tax in Thailand, you can request a free resident's statement through the regional tax office.

    Jan Beute.

  17. Benno says up

    Good story. I see a lot of local differences in the responses. In Samui, the sign in the office states that the driver's license cannot be renewed until the old one has expired. Nevertheless, applications were made before that time and were also accepted. Oh yeah.

  18. Walter says up

    I received my Thai driver's license on July 11, 2017 and it is valid until July 11, 2019. My birth month is December. Does the 5-year driving license expire on your birthday?

    I first wanted to apply for my Thai driving license in Korat, what a hassle and such unfriendly treatment and after being sent away for the 3rd time for a translation of the Dutch driving license and then also by the embassy, ​​both requirements are ridiculous, I traveled to bangkok to try there. My dear wife had a girlfriend in Bangkok and her husband………….? You guessed it, worked at the Ministry of Transport, he took my Dutch driver's license and came back 5 minutes later and took me to a colleague, who took a passport photo of me and a little later I got my driver's license. All settled!

    • The Inquisitor says up

      Probably your first driver's license that you came here to get. Then it will only be valid for 1 year, not 5.
      Well, is my guess.

      • steven says up

        First driver's license is valid for 2 years.

    • Ger Korat says up

      Yes, if you do not bring an international driver's license, it is logical that they will ask for an English-language and an official document via the embassy. You could have thought of that yourself before you went to the station. I have been to the agency in Korat a number of times, alone and without help. Received friendly help everywhere and I even know a number of people personally who work there. You also meet each other elsewhere, so it's always positive.
      And are you okay with arranging your driver's license privately? I'm curious what you think about other topics such as corruption and, for example, people who are not qualified to drive and also buy a driver's license and then participate in Thai traffic.


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