In part 2 we continue with the 26-year-old beauty who works in a jewelry store. As already mentioned in part 1, it concerns a farmer's daughter, a farmer's daughter who has successfully completed a university course (ICT).

She not only does the work of a saleswoman, but also the administration and inventory management. And she wins orders and draws up the contracts for them. Her latest success was delivering rings to all graduates of the police academy in Ubon. It wasn't just about rings, a photo book also had to be made. At the graduation ceremony she had to give a speech to 100-200 people. As a follow-up assignment, she had to supply T-shirts for the new recruits, for which she also designed the design. So at home in many markets.

Her boyfriend – they are getting married next year – is 10 years older and from Bangkok. Furthermore, he is her boss as the owner of the jewelry store. Yet she is clearly the superior in the relationship. For example, he had to give up drinking alcohol - he has indeed not had a drop in a year - and he is not allowed to smoke around her, even in the open air. However, she does not earn much: the minimum wage plus part of the (meager) turnover. But as an extra, she has a business in insurance via the internet. In any case, her income is sufficient to pay off a second-hand car plus the scooter she gave to her brother as a gift. But she lives very frugally, because she never goes out, she doesn't drink or smoke, of course, and she buys clothes together with a friend who has the same nice figure. Most Isan women do not drink or drink very moderately, although there are clear and sometimes extreme exceptions to this.

She also takes care of her grandfather who lives alone - she brings him every dinner - because caring for grandparents still seems to be reserved for daughters and granddaughters. She has done fitness and Thai boxing. And she sometimes practices on her boyfriend when she is angry with him. Has he become a spoiled child? Not quite. Until recently she helped her parents with the rice harvest, but that has now ended because she basically works seven days a week, although she still occasionally helps her parents in the evenings with, for example, packing the dragon fruit harvest. She is good with a casting net, a typical Isan custom. And she can cook well, which unfortunately many young women can no longer do. She also keeps score with farmer's bridge.

Why do I mention that? Because many farangs think that Thais cannot do mental arithmetic. This idea has been drilled into the minds of farangs because they are always confronted with a calculator at tourist markets. But that is only intended as a service to the farangs, because here in the local market no one uses a calculator. Everything is done from memory. Besides, there is absolutely no reason to believe that Westerners are smarter than Asians. A recent report from the Wall Street Journal indicates this: 73% of students at the eight most prestigious schools in New York, such as Stuyvesant High School and Bronx School of Science, have an Asian background. So only 27% remains for all other varieties. And you only get into those schools if you are extremely smart. As a farang, it would almost give you an inferiority complex. So for those who like to make derogatory comments about Thai people, remember that you are probably even dumber yourself. In any case, I don't dare to do it anymore.

A few final notes on our 26-year-old beauty: she speaks Isan with my wife, Thai with her boyfriend, and (fair) English with me. And when she happened to know that I had run out of whipped cream, she brought a liter pack of whipped cream. And that while she doesn't like whipped cream herself. I write this because many farangs assume it is a one-way street: money and goods from farang to Thai clean and sometimes services in the other direction. However, I certainly don't have that experience. I have received gifts such as T-shirts from various Isan women. And all without ulterior motives. But of course you can only expect that from women who can afford it financially. Sometimes, however, I get some from women who can't really afford it. For example, once I was given a fresh pineapple cut into pieces and presented on a plate by an employee of my wife who had won 2.000 baht in a lottery. All I had to do was put the whipped cream on the pineapple myself.

Recently I received another clear example of Thai willingness to do something for others: a niece of a friend of ours was involved in an inheritance case and was in danger of not getting anything out of it. When a friend of ours heard that, he called his father in Bangkok who is a lawyer there. That father offered to help the niece for just the travel allowance. He has already been, but after his trip to Ubon he still had to drive three hours - brought by his son - to get to the niece. He will appear in court for the second time next month. Of course, there are examples of the opposite. For example, two very elderly brothers dispute ownership of a piece of land. This got so bad that one of the brothers had to go to jail pending trial. Everything is possible here, no one will be surprised.

However, it is clear that our 26-year-old beauty is an independent woman who is definitely not afraid to confront her boyfriend. For example, she once had words with her boyfriend that left her only whispering for three days. Farangs who hope to find a helpful woman here who says yes and amen to everything can be disappointed.

My second example is also a picture of a woman, also a farmer's daughter and approximately 30 years old. She also demands that her boyfriend not consume alcohol (which he indeed no longer does) and that he pays her almost all the money he earns every day. He may only have a maximum of 100 baht left over. But unlike my first example, she has been a bit lazy and usually has no work. She prefers to spend the money and I sometimes meet her in Central Plaza where you don't normally meet the peasantry. So no woman to have a relationship with. Despite her good looks.

A third example concerns a woman who had her first daughter at the age of seventeen and her second three years later. She lived with her parents (rice farmers) in a hamlet wedged between the Mun River and a tributary. There was only one road to that hamlet. You would think she had no chance of building a reasonable life, but luckily that wasn't so bad. Her two very attractive daughters are now 26 and 23 years old and both have completed academic studies. They are now both teachers, but they are not yet permanent employees and, despite their academic studies, they are not paid the minimum wage even though they have to participate fully at school. The youngest is even busy with additional studies (during weekends and holidays) for a year and a half for which she has to pay another 14.000 baht. She must complete that study to be eligible for a government job.

The eldest married a childhood friend a year ago; Like many boys with little education, under pressure from his girlfriend - now wife - he was able to get a permanent job at a university. They recently had a baby boy. The preparations for the wedding only took a few days. The parents meet and some arrangements are made and a date is set (usually about 4-5 days later). Then a busy time begins and the bride is made up for some beautiful photos that will then be included on the invitation. The invitation will be personally delivered to the invitees. On the day of the wedding, the bridal couple must of course look their best. If there is plenty of money available, the preparations usually take a little longer, but there is usually not enough money available for Isan families.

What is the situation now? In addition to the parents, the mother's two daughters, son-in-law, grandchild and two bedridden parents live in the parental home. In a house without dividing walls, but only some curtains here and there, so with extremely little privacy for the young couple, among others. How do they manage financially? In any case, hard work. The daughters still help out in the fields - despite their academic degrees - and because their rice fields border the river they have two harvests a year. However, when the water in the river is low it has to be pumped up - with a communal pump from the village - but that costs diesel of course. And if the water in the river is too high, the harvest is lost, for which they receive compensation from the government, but it is extremely meager. The rice harvest could not finance the study - and the necessary motorcycles of course - so both father and mother had to look for extra work. The mother found that with my wife. That meant getting up at three o'clock to take care of the parents and do some other necessary chores and when she got home again there was of course plenty of work to do. My wife worked seven days a week and only took time off to work on her land, for cremations in the village and to take her parents to the hospital. So a hard life for her. Yet I know her as an exceptionally cheerful woman. My wife and I once took her to a restaurant in town. She had never experienced that before. She had never gone further than a simple food stall on the side of the road.

Now that she has become a grandmother, she takes care of her grandchild and only comes to work with us when her eldest daughter is free. When they were still students, her daughters looked for holiday work and weekend work. They did this as a sales assistant at Big C and also as a holiday worker for my wife for a few years. That's how I got to know them. The youngest daughter is actually quite ambitious and does not want to end up as a teacher. She sees that as an interim solution. Her motto is, first make a career and then find a boyfriend. And then of course a boyfriend on her level. That could be a farang, but an attractive farang. So not too old. But there is no real willingness to emigrate, so in practice farang as a potential life partner can be ruled out.

A fourth example concerns a 40-year-old woman from Laos (but what is the difference between a Laotian and an Isan?). She ended up in Bangkok at a very young age and was more or less kept as a house slave by a family, making her illiterate, unable to do arithmetic and unable to even cook. Helped by the neighbors, she managed to escape and subsequently met her current husband in Bangkok. They then went to a village near us and rented a shack there, a house without windows and very meager even by Isan standards. But cheap. They have been given some land by the government and are growing rice there.

In the meantime, they now have a 20-year-old son and a 16-year-old daughter. The son works as a prospective mechanic and therefore does not yet earn the minimum wage. The daughter is a very smart girl and the mother does everything she can to give her a good future. She went to a good secondary school in Ubon and was able to keep up well, without the usual extra lessons. Unfortunately, she became pregnant when she was 14 and even made a fortunately weak suicide attempt out of shame. Her parents only found out about all this – with a month to go – when the mother of the girl's boyfriend came to visit to discuss the matter. That resulted in her marrying her 20-year-old boyfriend/future father. The friend's mother ran a catering company with her son, but that is not a big deal in Isaan and in the lean months that friend went to Bangkok for work. But because family members often help each other, the brother of the expectant mother offered to give 7000 baht of his 4000 baht monthly salary to her and her child. In the meantime, she has given birth to a son and was in good spirits to continue her studies after a year. So everything seemed to end well after all. Unfortunately, the marriage has ended - how could it be otherwise with a man in Bangkok - and she can no longer complete her intended studies. She now wants to study in the context of adult education, so that she can look for work.

How did it get to the point where the parents knew nothing about it? They often only came home from work after it had already gotten dark. And in the shack in question, like in most Isan houses, there would have been little lighting. By the way, her mother, like most Isan women, is future-oriented and certainly does not only have an eye for tomorrow, as many Isaan farangs think. She does everything for her daughter's future, even in better times she bought a gold chain worth half a baht (current value about 10.000 Thai baht) and then upgraded it once to a necklace worth one baht. Many Isan women buy gold (or land) for difficult times. Perhaps that is smarter than what the farangs do because they rely on their state pension and pension. We will have to wait and see whether that confidence is justified. Unfortunately, the fuss of the central banks does not bode well.

A fifth example concerns a more than 40-year-old Isan woman - farmer and food seller - who had been living with her boyfriend of the same age for years. However, that friend became interested in a childhood sweetheart again and he called her every day. And it may not have just been a phone call. At some point the woman got fed up and the couple broke up. So the problem was solved. Until her ex-boyfriend suddenly received a nice amount of money from his mother who had sold a piece of land. She wanted a share of the money, because when they lived together he had made more of the joint income than she had. She then strengthened her arguments by purchasing a firearm. He took that seriously because I didn't see him for months. In the end, everything ended with a whimper. Of course, I don't want to say that many Isan women are dangerous with firearms, but it does indicate that Isan women do not accept everything from their partner.

In part 3 (final) more Isan women are discussed.

20 responses to “Isan women, the raw reality (part 2)”

  1. Frenchpattaya says up

    Magnificent!
    Both the story and the pictures.
    Thanks.

  2. Rob V says up

    There are a number of spicy ladies among them. But that should come as no surprise. The Thai or Isan woman is not inferior to the Dutch. Guys who think of submissive females in Asia are not right in their head or think with that other head. 555

    The lady from the jewelry store is still quite relaxed, my love (came from Khonkaen) told me that if I ever smoked it would be the end of the relationship. She told me that after an anecdote about her last relationship: at university she got a boyfriend who she dated for about 3 years, nice guy, soft looking (seen photo), smart, funny, sex was good too (not 8such a guy who only thinks about himself), in short, fine. But then he started smoking. He was given a choice: that butt out the door or me. He continued to smoke. End relationship. I'm lucky because after about 3 years alone I met her in the Isaan.

    The other lady who doesn't rule out a farang will still have a hard time, you just have to meet a nice boy by chance and so many young farang don't show themselves in Isaan. That already limits the choice and even if it hits a Westerner, what kind of work should he do? A (native) English speaker can become a teacher, but beyond that the options are limited.

    If I ever meet another Thai (or Isan, Khonkaen and region are nice), I don't rule out emigrating there, but what kind of work can I do there?

    • The Inquisitor says up

      If my partner, or a potential partner, would set me conditions for the relationship to continue, I would immediately drop out.
      Whether that would be about smoking, alcohol or whatever.
      Who knows what requirements will come later.
      And the other way around I would never make demands of course.

      • chris says up

        I think every relationship has conditions. How about marital fidelity and supporting each other financially and otherwise in good times and bad?
        These conditions do not apply to everyone: open relationships, separate living and living, not going to the in-laws etc etc. It's about whether conditions are excessive and you can set up a whole tree about that.

        • Rob V says up

          Indeed, a relationship without conditions (spoken or not, so most will assume that the partner will not cheat them by going, for example, and that if that happens at least puts the relationship on edge). Although an unconditional relationship sounds wonderful.

          I also loved my sweetheart 'unconditionally'. And she mine. Asking me not to smoke is equivalent to asking me not to use cocaine or to have a large tattoo put on my forehead: I will never do that either. So such conditions are not a stumbling block. You can refine another person a bit, but really change it through and through? No, that seems almost impossible to me, the nature of the beast is the nature of the beast.

          My love also asked me not to look at the ground a meter or 2 in front of me while walking, but straight ahead. My answer 'I'll see if I see money lying around' Looking down comes naturally, although I tried to look straight ahead more often.

      • Hans Pronk says up

        You can of course see it as a requirement, but it can also be a choice. I also don't want a partner who smokes – that's my choice – and so I will never start such a relationship. So the problem will not occur. But in this case, she probably knew he was drinking but didn't find out until later that things got really out of hand when he was out with friends. Then I can imagine her saying: stop doing that or it's over.
        In the other case that the friend has to pay all his money, yes that goes very far.

        • Rob V says up

          At the start of the relationship, the choice is still somewhat easy: if you do not like the behavior of the partner, you can put an end to it. And you can indicate what kind of behavior you will not tolerate, for example excessive drinking or drugs. If the other person thinks 'yes bye, I'll decide for myself whether I'm going to get drunk later in the relationship, come home tight from the coke with tattoos from top to bottom as an extra surprise' then I wouldn't start the relationship.

          But impose a complete ban on drinking on your partner or track it with the GPS? I don't think that's possible. We are talking about a partner and not a prisoner! In addition to love, a relationship also means mutual respect and therefore also freedom.

          It becomes difficult if someone has a drinking (or something similar) problem and cannot set boundaries for themselves in practice. If you can't stop at just a few drinks or a single spin at the roulette table, but you keep going until you're exhausted... then it's logical that your partner wants to protect you from yourself. Otherwise the relationship will end anyway.

      • Sir Charles says up

        There is no blueprint how to fill in a relationship, it develops after you get to know each other.
        Indirectly there are indeed demands because my wife knows that I hate gambling because I have seen several relationships in the Netherlands and Thailand break down.
        Implicitly I never actually said to her 'if you are going to gamble I will break off the relationship' but she knows damn well knowing me because she decides never to do that.

        This of course also applies the other way around, for example, your wife will not mind that you drink a beer every day, but I can imagine that if you drink too much and this results in extreme behavior such as 'loose hands' that she would want the relationship in the long run. end even though she never actually made that a demand.
        She is right, Isan women are no exception to that, in my opinion.

    • Hans Pronk says up

      Rob you are right that women who have studied sometimes have a hard time finding a suitable partner. In part 3 I will give examples of several people in their thirties who have remained unmarried. Even without a man they manage.

  3. henri says up

    Dear Hans, the micro-economy runs on Thai women. Food stalls, stalls, shops, you name it. They usually have children and then you get moving as a mother. That is the reality of the Thai women, who are on their own. Actually, I can say what it's all about in three sentences, I don't need countless stories for that. But still good to have read it, thanks for that...

  4. Hans Pronk says up

    Another salient detail I forgot to mention: the 26-year-old beauty had also installed software on her boyfriend's cell phone that allowed her to track her boyfriend's whereabouts to within a few feet every hour of the day. Actually a bit superfluous because they are almost always together. The friend knew that, by the way, so he agreed.

  5. Dirk says up

    Hans, the stories of the enterprising women really appeal to me, my daughter in the Netherlands belongs to that group. Several attempts have been made here to help potential candidates, but unfortunately through no fault of my own, these have failed.
    I understand that it used to be the same in Thai households. The man then transferred all his wages to the woman, who then gave him some “pocket money”.
    I see the opposite of those nonsense about Thais who cannot plan. The money sent monthly is put to good use, houses are built in phases, or people wait until the full amount is available, etc. Of course, things sometimes go wrong in a number of cases.
    I often hear the story from expats about how “the Thai woman” in Thai/Farang relationships would think about the distribution of money: “What is yours is ours, and what is mine is mine”. This also happens at universities. They often pretend to be autonomous, but according to Minister Teerakiat, they also use an interesting accounting strategy there. When money has to be repaid to the government in connection with outstanding loans, for example, the government is called upon. However, if money flows back from projects, people want to keep it.

    Dirk

  6. Renee Martin says up

    Beautifully written and for me it was also informative. So you see again that what appears does not have to be so. Very much looking forward to your next article.

  7. jochen says up

    I agree with the Inquisitor. No conditions on either side, that doesn't work.
    Trust and freedom that works. My experience living in Thailand for more than 25 years.

    • Rob V says up

      Freedom yes, but some concern to prevent excessive things seems to me to be a sign of caring towards the other. Laissez faire in a relationship seems to me just as bad as wanting to play dictator in a relationship.

  8. butcher shopvankampen says up

    The requirement of daily payment of the money earned is familiar to me. So sausage. Check it out wife! All goes to Thailand if I give in to that. Looks good on the couch here in the Netherlands I also had to stop drinking. None of that! Yet she is still there! She can go if she wants. Nice story. Reminds me of the common refrain here: “Most farangs have the wrong wife but I have the right one.” Good luck with it.

    • Rob V says up

      Am I missing an element of love in your story? You shouldn't drink, drinking in moderation is fine!
      And no, in an equal relationship you will not pay money or work with pocket money.

  9. JH says up

    I am very happy with a friend from Surat Thani province………..in the early years in Thailand I already knew very well what I wanted and what I clearly did not want…..

    • Johnny B.G says up

      …….. but then I thought “it doesn't matter where she comes from because I'm not perfect either”

  10. French says up

    Nice! Thanks for (re)posting this story.


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