Condo or house? Buy or rent?

By Hans Bosch
Posted in Living in Thailand
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July 27, 2010
Villa Bangkok

There is an indelible misunderstanding among Thais: renting leads to a loss of capital and buying to great wealth. In their eyes, the rent disappears into the owner's pocket every month, while a home of their own increases in value every year. The pre-calculation does not provide the desired understanding either, because an increase in value does not occur everywhere and always.

For starters, foreigners are not allowed to own Thai land. I do know that there are more or less legal ways around that, such as the 30-year lease (with an option for another 30 years that may not make sense) or setting up a company. This last option has become extremely risky due to recent developments if the company does nothing more than own house and land. Moreover, you always have a maximum of 49 percent of the shares and the accountant costs the necessary money for the annual accounts every year. My advice: don't.

There is then another possibility to have children and even adult grandchildren co-sign for a lease on the surviving spouse (usufruct). Remarkably, few foreigners use it. Usually, house and land are paid for by wife or girlfriend, often with disastrous consequences if the relationship breaks down. Yours may be different right now, but often it's only a matter of time before family pressures mount. Buying also offers the disadvantage that a foreigner can hardly get a mortgage. The purchase price may seem attractive, but must be paid in cash. Buying a house is a piece of cake; selling it again is an ordeal.

I recommend people who are in Thailand want to settle to rent. There is so much vacant space in this country that the rent is disproportionate to the purchase price. The advantage of building a house yourself is that you can do it according to your wishes. But remember the adage that you build the first house for your enemies (because of all the mistakes), the second for your friends, and only the third house for yourself. This applies even more so in Thailand, because the standards in terms of commitment and quality are slightly different there.

Another advantage of renting is that you can quickly pack up and leave if the neighbor suddenly starts a karaoke bar in his front yard or a workshop. Thais don't care about noise. You're the only nag who gets worked up about the dogs that keep you awake at night. The number of examples is too large to mention here.

And then you have the choice between a house or an apartment, in its smallest appearance that is called a 'condominium'. I generally advise against renting a terraced house. It's called a 'townhouse' here. This is due to the limited space at the front, the usually noisy neighbours, the lack of privacy and the lack of a back entrance. I lived in a townhouse for a year, but when the pest controller came by I was left with about thirty overgrown cockroaches running around. This is because of the neighbors, who also consider these beasts creatures that need protection from Buddha.

Remarkably, the rent of a detached house is usually lower than that of an apartment. The latter offers the advantage of relative safety. Both types are available in all sizes and prices, depending on location and facilities. I now pay 15.000 THB for a detached villa with 4 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, covered terrace, carport, nice garden, etc. The house is located outside the center of Bangkok, in a moobaan of approximately 100 detached houses with a few guards at the entrance. More towards the city, prices rise quickly.

www.bahtsold.com regularly lists villas and apartments in the city center that cost more than 100.000 THB per month. In the rest of Thailand, rental and purchase prices are usually much lower than in Bangkok, depending on supply and urbanization. Especially in Pattaya, Phuket and Hua Hin, the supply is large enough to keep prices within limits. First-time buyers on the Thai housing market would therefore do well to orient themselves intensively before risking part of their assets.

27 Responses to “Condo or House? Buy or rent?”

  1. Steve says up

    Good advice. Especially if you just came to see Thailand. Look the cat out of the tree first. You avoid problems with vultures (wife or in-laws) who do their best to steal your property. Second mortgage, collateral and whatever other pranks they can get up to.

    What's wrong with renting? Suppose the chaos really breaks out in Thailand (red and yellow). Then you'll be gone in no time. Try that with a house for sale.

  2. Sam Loi says up

    Look in the mirror, I would like to say to the farang. If you look closely you can see a sucker standing there. The Thai knows that and also knows how easy it is to help the farang get rid of his money. Don't feel sorry for those guys; they have been warned enough about it.

  3. At the moment, we are already using PIM says up

    How about hire purchase?
    That Thai woman is angry, but if things go wrong, consider it as rented at that time.
    After 15 years you own it.
    I don't need anything with 1 Thai bank, the monthly amount goes to the project developer who is happy that it is not interest-free.

  4. Sam Loi says up

    Can someone explain to me why a farang has to marry a Thai babe, of which he knows in advance, or at least should know, that he will lose his money at some point.

    • Steve says up

      There are plenty of farang who are happily married and well off. Farang's experiences with regard to Thai women often relate to a group with the same background from the same region and even then you cannot generalise.

      The idea that all Thai women are untrustworthy and money hungry is just as simple as the idea that all Dutch people wear clogs and live in windmills.

      However, you have to be on your guard because not everything can be foreseen in advance. In addition, your girl can be very good, but then you also have to deal with your in-laws.

      In short, only get married if you are very sure of yourself, and then be careful.

      The funny thing is that we always point to Thai here, just as if all farang are angels and exemplary husbands.

      • Sam Loi says up

        You can play whatever you want, the Thai is a money wolf, who is only out to steal your money. What do you mean, only get married if you are very sure of yourself. And when should that moment come?

        I had asked if someone could explain to me why a farang has to marry a Thai. Why he doesn't choose to live together. I myself think that a non-marital relationship with a Thai has much more chance of success than a marital one. And if she's not happy with that, then no. Mokkels was there.

        • Henk says up

          Well, you seem to me to be the type who likes variety, so like the Thai man, a butterfly,
          I myself am happily married to a Thai, and also some Dutch friends, and if the innkeeper is, he trusts his guests

        • Henk B says up

          I have an idea that you have a bad experience, and now put everything together, ever heard of true love, now in Holland I also lost everything with my divorce, and two years have to have rights over the alimony, now happily married for two years, with a Thai, and see a lot of strange things happening around me, but saw that coming, money for every woman, give them a finger, and always be alert, and most of them go through bad communication the into boat.

  5. Freng says up

    The reasons for marrying a Thai woman (why babe?) are broadly the same as those why you would marry a Dutch, German, Chinese or Spanish woman. And in the event of a divorce, the joint assets each fall for 50%. Only you don't have to pay alimony in Thailand.

    And yes, Thai people love money, just like us Dutch people, only we are on it and they want it. Is there something wrong with that? If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

    It is always good to think carefully about major matters in advance, both in Thailand and in the Netherlands. But when you have such a cynical view of the Thai population, I think the first question is what you are doing in Thailand at all.

    • badbold says up

      Good and nuanced response, bravo! The frustration is on top of many men, or they would like a Thai (girl) but have to make do with 1 or 2x a year to Thailand. Or they let themselves be completely wrapped up by the woman of their dreams. And now the pennies are gone. From that moment on, no Thai lady is good anymore. Like a small child who has been bitten by a dog once, all dogs are wrong from that point on.

  6. At the moment, we are already using PIM says up

    I thought it was about living space to rent or buy.
    We digress gentlemen.
    Many Thai ladies have already worn out.

    • Freng says up

      Just like Thailand: nothing is what it seems. We are not digressing. I have suggested that getting married CAN be the solution to your Thai real estate problem. In the event of a divorce, you are then legally entitled to 50% of the value of your property. And yes, combating cynicism is a going concern matter. By the way, your addition about worn-out Thai ladies is fine to my taste!

  7. William says up

    I agree with Freng and Steve. Also in the Netherlands you do not immediately enter into all kinds of obligations once you have met a girlfriend. Take your time and inquire carefully about the options. Rent or buy, get married or not. And later never, never blame your girlfriend for any failure, because in all situations you can always say yes or no, so the cause always lies with you.

  8. Sam Loi says up

    And I agree with Sam Loi. Just don't get married, but live together if you have to. You don't have to share anything, nada with anyone.

    I absolutely cannot follow the remark that a marriage with a Thai babe can be a solution to your real estate problems in Thailand. What nonsense.

  9. At the moment, we are already using PIM says up

    You assume that if you send the Thai lady out of the house, you can still sleep peacefully.
    In many cases you can really forget that .
    Think carefully before you act.

    • Sam Loi says up

      And so Pim, stay away from those bitches. They are dangerous anyway, but as a (marital) partner they are life-threatening. You are absolutely right, many farang have had to pay for this with a dive from a high apartment building. Then it's bai bai farang, bai bai condo, bai bai car and bai bai pennies; bai bai and shwaay shwaay.

      • A little excitement in your life is nice, isn't it? Otherwise it all gets so boring. Call it Eastern mystery and dynamism. 😉

        • Sam Loi says up

          Dear editors,

          A little tension in life is of course a nice bonus, but it should not be a constant factor. It would cause problems with their blood pressure for many guests. It is not wise to keep the bow constantly tense.

          Thailand is and remains a fantastic holiday destination. I will keep going there. Despite the fact that I have a strong opinion about (long-term) relationships with a Thai person, I continue to respect these people. They are what they are and I am what I am. And there is a gap between them. So I will never ever start a relationship with a Thai, we are too different from each other for that.

  10. Dear Hans,

    Good article, I know from experience that a Thai thinks the money is thrown away when renting
    a house or flat. Don't get it explained either. with numbers and calculations.
    So next year when I go for good I'm renting a nice house for a few years first,
    I now rent a Townhouse for 4.500 bath, which is for my wife and mom and dad.
    There is an error in your article http://www.bathsold.com , must be http://www.bathsold.th

    Kind Regards, Rick

  11. Jimmy sanchez says up

    Dear people,

    Nice to read this blog by chance. My Thai partner (he is a taxi driver and for once not from Isaan. If there are prejudices about people, it is about people from this region. Prejudices have a certain degree of truth but hardly contribute to decisions that can be made with common sense. ) and I are currently looking into purchasing a nice house in a suburb of Bangkok. We have a reservation on a house. To prevent the house from being liquidated for any reason, we want to create a Thai usufruct contract in my name. And we want to entrust that contract to a lawyer who could also protect me against an emotionally sympathetic, but excessive, decision. All comments about Thai people arise from frustrations in relationships, little knowledge of sociology, and failure to recognize the fact that there is a huge difference between the norms and values ​​of people who grew up in a social democratic welfare state or a state where there is a certain degree of protection by a reliable government and the Thai authoritarian society, which has been handed over to neo-iberal capitalism, where the free market dominantly determines values ​​and standards. The insight that it is about a difference in systems and less about human characteristics and emotions helps to improve understanding. More than Theravada Buddhism/animism, because you cannot separate that from this globally dominant economic system. The comments also show little knowledge about the enormous difference in thinking between Asians and Westerners. In this regard, one could read two books that put everyday experiences into a perspective that can lead to understanding and efficacy instead of prejudices, generalizations, stupidity and cynicism.

    Inside Thai society
    Niels Mulder Silkworm books 974 7551 24 1

    The geography of thought Richard E. Nisbett Free Press 0-7432-1646-6

    Hans's tips about renting are useful, but also apply outside Thailand. I rent a condominium in central Bangkok where we usually live. I buy a house as an investment (Euros in a savings account is a big risk in this capitalist system) and as “outside” for when we want to escape the city and for my partner as an investment for his old age. Providing recipes for any situation is of little use. It is better to provide objective information so that people can make a good decision based on their own circumstances. You often read this: take a reliable lawyer, but it is never mentioned where you can find one. http://www.thailandlawonline.com/thai-contracts-usufruct-agreement.html. Someone describes renting a nice house for 15.000 baht, but from whom, where and how remains obscure. One comment has stuck with me: if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. People like that Thai commentator who make lists of generalizations can be found in every country and it is remarkable that you can always produce a list with evidence to the contrary. The brain filters, it is a human condition but one that is often of no use to you. It has nothing to do with a country or population.
    Ask yourself what is the point of this kind of lists, it is a form of stupid self-gratification.
    Life, business, societies are more complicated. Also more interesting for those who are open to it. Those who are able to see the relativity of all norms, value systems and living patterns can discover unknown valuable additions in every society that can enrich you and that will arm you if you notice that old-fashioned, narrow-minded thinking is rearing its head.
    Yours faithfully,
    Jimmy.

    • Hans Bos (editor) says up

      A sociologically tinted treatise that I can't really do much with. I can't really place your prejudices about my judgment after 5 years in Thailand. Indeed, you can always find evidence to the contrary…

    • @ Jimmy, thanks for the detailed response and the tips. I'm going to read the book you mentioned.

      • The book is for sale at Amazon, but was written in 1995 (!). Unfortunately I can't do much with that. My parents' Netherlands also looked different from the Netherlands I live in.

  12. Jimmy sanchez says up

    Among my acquaintances there are people who have been living in Thailand for 40 years and they are still filled with prejudices about Thai because they refuse to be properly informed. The date of publication of a book says nothing about the value of its contents. There are books from centuries ago that are still valuable for their timeless knowledge. The book is not about what Thailand looks like but about how Asians think in contrast to Westerners. Norms and values ​​patterns and even about the differences in perception. These kinds of things change very slowly and are therefore still relevant for at least this century. The fact that you can't do anything with something has more to do with the way you've learned to think and use your brain and intelligence than with the information you're presented with.
    Yours faithfully,
    Jimmy.

  13. Jacks says up

    When it comes to renting or buying, there is an advantage when buying that I keep seeing in the area where I currently rent a house, not once mentioned: you can renovate your own house as you like.
    I can buy a house here for about 1.6 million Baht and then I think I have a nice house with three bedrooms, living rooms, 2 bathrooms and a fairly reasonable garden where I could park two cars and have a vegetable garden for our vegetables. to have.
    Since I'm only going to live in that house with my girlfriend, it's big enough for us. And if needed, you can always add more.
    That seems much better than renting… if you want to move, at least you get money back.
    Even a mortgage that will cost you more than renting a similar house can ensure that you can have a house to your liking…

  14. Ron says up

    Maybe not a direct question for here but still. I'm going to Pattaya for three months next year to live there with my girlfriend (Thai). I used to visit a hotel, but if you are gone for three months, this increases considerably.
    Does anyone know where I can rent and prices? I would like to rent a house or a spacious apartment with some comfort where TV and internet must be present. Preferably somewhere in the center. Perhaps there is someone on this site who has something to rent. Renting something from an agency doesn't seem very reliable I think.

  15. Ad van de Graft says up

    Response to Jack:

    Good story everything is correct, first experience then take steps to buy.


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