Emigrated? Then you no longer exist for the Dutch government…
Every now and then I look up www.mijnoverheid.nl. As a real control freak, I went to 'my data' last week. To my horror, they are no longer correct. All information about addresses where I lived my life in the Netherlands, information about my two exes and so on, but unfortunately an old address in Thailand. And my daughter Lizzy is nowhere to be seen (digitally).
That must be a misunderstanding, I assumed. The last known address in the Municipal Administration (GBA) is in the city of Heerlen.
In my optimism I wrote the municipality an e-mail, with the request to adjust the data to reality. That is: my current address in Hua Hin and the mention of daughter Lizzy. I assumed that correct information is necessary to track me down or to warn me about something in case of an emergency.
I should have known better. In the past, the SVB was also unwilling to include my daughter in their computer system. My current partner. This is understandable, because she plays a role in the partner allowance, while my daughter is completely unnecessary in the eyes of the SVB.
The municipality of Heerlen writes to me:
The BRP Act came into force on 6 January last. This replaces the GBA Act.
Based on the GBA Act, your details on mijnoverheid.nl are correct. Changes that had taken place once you had left the Netherlands were no longer recorded on your person list. That is why your move in Thailand has not been processed and your daughter is not on your person list.
The BRP Act offers more options. However, it is not yet entirely clear who (municipality or Ministry of the Interior) may implement which changes and how they should be presented. I'm looking into this for you. I hope to be able to give you more clarity on this within two weeks.”
In short: all data after my emigration in 2011 (my daughter was born in June 2010) are no longer kept and apparently irrelevant in the eyes of the Dutch government. Gone is gone and tidy is neat… It's just that all Dutch emigrants in Thailand know it.
Except for the tax authorities, they always know where to find you. I emigrated to Thailand some time ago and I received the well-known blue envelope at my (new) address in Thailand. The health insurance also informed me within 1 week at my address in Thailand that I was no longer insured.
Yes, gone is gone. People know almost nothing about emigrants, in contrast to immigrants, because then you have to go through all kinds of windmills. A bit of an outdated principle, of course, because the world is small these days. You can easily maintain contact and thus (social and economic/fiscal) ties with the Netherlands, you may as well return within a few years (you were an expat), after many years (you were an emigrant) or never again. It would be nice if you want to (or are obliged to) you can also be found for the Dutch government. If you now cut all ties legally and no longer have any obligations, you could of course choose to disappear from the radar.
Hans,
You can register at the embassy in Thailand and in The Hague at the Special Tasks department. They do not include data from abroad, but then it is known that you live outside the Netherlands.
Evert
In matters like this you could of course ask yourself what use and/or sense it has to remain registered with the NL government. My situation, for example: for my state pension, I am fully known to the SVB, because of my pension with my relevant P-fund, because of the small amount to be paid to the tax authorities at the Tax Authorities. Every 5 -, now 10 years, at the NL Embassy for a new passport, or if I wanted it that way every year because of proof of income. In addition, I am given the opportunity to register myself at the Embassy. What else do you want? Well, come on then, a health insurance fund from NL. That is also possible. Why would I want to be able to view further personal data at a digital counter? DigiD is sufficient for me. In short: for the government you can be found in at least 4 places, and you have contact with them in 4 ways. Enough right? When it comes to wanting to have and keep an emotional bond with NL, after you choose to leave NL, well: you still have your old friends, acquaintances, colleagues, and not least your family. And of course, you have to do something for it and you have to want to keep investing in all those old relationships, otherwise the fun is over. Out of sight out of mind. But nowadays, thanks to the internet, everyone is immensely close and a piece of cake to keep an eye on each other: yourself and your loved ones. No, I don't have that feeling that now that I'm gone people consider me tidy. Certainly not from the side of the Dutch government. The other way around: NL gone and I very tidy. And that's what mattered to me!
In Belgium, after you have not resided in the country for 1 year, you are automatically deleted from the population register. It doesn't matter whether you have a domicile address there or not. I experienced it myself 6 years ago.
Partly correct, after 6 months untraceable (quarter agent, ) you will be written off, or sooner if you no longer pay rent, for example, and at the same time remain untraceable.
Also through this
http://www.antwerpen.be/eCache/ABE/4/489.html
you can leave with a declaration for max. 1 year WITHOUT being deregistered, have thus stayed in Thailand for 3 x 1 year (and a few extra months ...), "extra months" because you do not have to register when you return, only the renewed application for Don't do it again for another year, and of course you need a plane trip to Belgium.
@Roger
This never happens automatically, but is a decision of the college of mayor and aldermen and always the result of several checks and neighborhood investigations.
If, after several checks and neighborhood investigations, it turns out that you cannot be found, a “Proposal for official deletion” will first follow.
Even then it will take at least a month before this goes to the Board of Mayor and Aldermen. The board will then decide whether you will be removed or not.
It's not something that is decided between the soup and the fries.
@david
Normally you have to report your return after your absence because this has to be adjusted in the Population Register.
If you don't report it, you run the risk that the local police officer will come and check. If he does not find you after a few times, another “Proposal for official deletion” may follow.
These are of course all laws and the practice is often different.
Usually, an inspection by the community police officer will not comply if someone or an organization asks for it.
This can include the landlord, a utility company or the municipality because you have not reported your return.
In the Dossier Woonadres Thailand – Be you can go to a PDF file in which I have included a chapter that deals with addresses and absences. You can also follow the link in the PDF file for the original text.
@RonnyLadPhrao
Nowhere is there a mention of registering on your return, because you know your deadline, you are indeed exposed to any checks by quartermasters, for example unpaid fines, information…., but according to my lawyer, the term of 6 months first starts to run for deletion, because you were allowed to leave for 1 year and then you are first in violation (lawyers matter ....) By the way, as soon as you experience your notice of deletion and appear, you must register again after a home check.
Now I have deregistered as a pensioner in residence and registered at Embassy which, according to Belgian customs, becomes somewhat your administrative "town hall" for your documents, except for driver's license, which is still your last residence admin.
Yes, dear Hans, as long as you live in NL they know where to find you, to undress you financially. Have you worked all your life and paid taxes as well as all social security contributions and you want to spend your old age somewhere else, then you no longer have any rights, think for example to AOW, long life Holland
I would bless what does not know what does not hurt
But that's my many. Hans will have his reasons
Dear Marco
Precisely because you have a right in the Netherlands, you can spend your old age in another country
Wherever you go you will continue to be entitled to your state pension. Long life in the Netherlands
Take a look around you, what a misery there is in the world and realize what a privileged position you are in. The Netherlands has had a horrible grip on me. I'm still glad I was born there
If only you were born in our beloved Thailand. Just think about what your old age would look like
Greetings Kees
Answer from the municipality of Heerlen:
to me
Dear Mr Forest,
I have submitted your question to the Ministry of the Interior. They are ultimately responsible for updating the BRP (formerly GBA) and the RNI.
At the moment it is not possible to update your address details. The ministry cannot yet say when this will be possible.
In order to have your daughter registered on your personal list, you must be currently registered. It is not possible to update this on a suspended person list. If you come back to the Netherlands in the future, you must submit a legalized birth certificate of your daughter and an attestation de vita of your daughter (issued by the Dutch embassy in Thailand).