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Home » Expats and retirees » “AEGON: the piggy bank for many Dutch people living abroad.”
“AEGON: the piggy bank for many Dutch people living abroad.”
Posted in Tax in the Netherlands, Expats and retirees, Health insurance
Tags: AEGON, tax, healthcare law
One of Lammert de Haan's clients in Thailand (tax specialist and specialist in international tax law and social insurance) can expect around € 2020 in 4.400 in incorrectly withheld income-related contributions to the Healthcare Insurance Act by AEGON and Nationale Nederlanden.
This is not refunded by filing an income tax return, but by submitting a special request to the Tax Authorities/Utrecht office.
Read more about this in the PDF below:
"AEGON: the piggy bank for many Dutch citizens living abroads. "
Lammert, thanks for an excellent explanation.
I want to reassure people who share my Zwitserleven feeling: that company adheres to the rules and does not deduct a health insurance premium when living in Thailand. As for the concept of exemption, a niece of mine told me a long time ago that she was glad she was exempt from military service. It happened even then...:)
Good to know. I was also wrongfully deducted the Health Insurance Act premium. I still lived under the assumption that the tax authorities would automatically refund this. I called the tax authorities about this last year and got the answer: They (the tax authorities) are still working on this.
So I was patiently waiting. So now I read that there is a form to request that money back. It would have been nice if the tax office lady had told me this.
nice piece, how boring tax legislation can still be explained nicely.
That is what happened to many Dutch pensioners. Quote:
Compare this with, for example, the years of incorrect application by the SVB of the
tax credits when living in Thailand, among others. The amount of tax withheld as a result
was not subsequently levied at the SVB, but subsequently claimed from the taxpayers. Incidentatlly
can you still question that, even without a request from the
beneficiary of the tax credits when living abroad and therefore in conflict with
the Wage Tax Act 1964, were applied by the SVB. After all, there was
there was an incorrect application of the law by the SVB, which the beneficiary was not
to charge. End quote.
When I spoke to a tax specialist at the tax authorities about this and dropped the comment that it
smelled of deceit, that it should be coughed up by us, his answer was: “We have
letting it slide for years!”
John D Kruse
In the first instance, it seems to me that it is up to Aegon to ensure that mistakes made by them are rectified.
They may not be able to recover their payment themselves, but then they will at least have to communicate and, if necessary, provide assistance with the correction at the tax authorities.
You would actually think so, Ruud. But that's not how it works at AEGON. See what I wrote about this attn a Philippine customer.
AEGON does indeed have a duty of care, but the concerns of their customers will be AEGON's concern!
I wrote this article a few weeks ago. I now discover that the link to the website of the Tax and Customs Administration no longer works. The form for reclaiming the income-related healthcare insurance contribution has been moved to:
https://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/wcm/connect/bldcontentnl/themaoverstijgend/programmas_en_formulieren/verzoek_teruggaaf_inkomensafhankelijke_bijdrage_zvw_buitenland
Success.
I also called the IRS about it. They said I didn't have to do anything for it. The premiums paid would be settled by them in the final assessment. This must be determined by the Tax and Customs Administration within 3 years, but will usually be settled well within that period. Is it still better to fill in that form?
Taruud, what you get back on your tax return are the national insurance contributions, but not the income-related contribution to the Healthcare Insurance Act. For this you must therefore submit a special request to the Tax Authorities/Utrecht office.
The answer you received from the Tax and Customs Administration is therefore completely incorrect. See also Frits' previously posted response in this regard.
Yesterday I read a glowing speech in Thailand blog about calling in the Tax Telephone Abroad for help with filing a tax return. That's something you definitely shouldn't do unless you're willing to pay top dollar.
You ask a question about tax matters in Thailand blog and you will receive a thorough answer from me.
Dear Lambert,
I have been living in Belgium for decades and I am also liable to pay tax there and I am also insured there for my medical expenses, but what I have to pay to the Netherlands in connection with healthcare costs is unheard of.
By this I mean my monthly payment for the CAK and also the deductions from my pensions in connection with the health insurance law abroad.
Do you think it makes sense to request a tax refund for the deductions made under the Health Insurance Act Abroad over the past few years?
Hi Nick,
First of all: the costs of insuring against illness can indeed be called high when living in the Netherlands or in a treaty country, such as Belgium. Then we are talking about the nominal premium to be paid to a health insurer, the Long-Term Care Act premium and the income-related Healthcare Insurance Act. With a reasonable income, you will soon arrive at an amount, which can be compared to a health insurance policy to be taken out when living in Thailand. This is often lost sight of. The advantage of living in the Netherlands or a treaty country is the obligation to accept the basic package.
When living in Belgium, you pay a treaty contribution to the CAK. This contribution consists of:
1. The fixed contribution under the Health Insurance Act, to be determined annually by the Minister of Health, Welfare and Sport and to be compared with the nominal premium for living in the Netherlands.
2. The income-related contribution to the Healthcare Insurance Act. The percentage for this corresponds to what you would have to pay in the Netherlands and is calculated over your Dutch income and any foreign (Belgian) income. You also owe the income-related contribution/premium under the Long-Term Care Act.
Ad 1. For 2021, this contribution has been set at €123,17. For Belgium, a country of residence factor of 0,7347 applies, which means that the nominal contribution for living in Belgium amounts to € 90,49.
Ad 2. The income-related contribution under the Healthcare Insurance Act amounts to 2021% for 5,75, with an income limit of €58.311.
The income-related contribution for the Long-Term Care Act amounts to 2021% for 9,65 and is calculated over a maximum of the upper limit of the second income tax bracket (even if you do not owe any income tax in the Netherlands).
Now it is also possible that the CAK has the income-related contributions settled via your pension provider. I have come across that often. But of course you never pay twice (both via the pension provider and to the CAK). However, if this has been the case, you can indeed reclaim the overpaid contribution from the Tax Authorities/Utrecht office. This is not done via a declaration for income tax/national insurance contributions.
Are you also thinking about a possible healthcare allowance as a contribution to the costs of the treaty contribution? You can apply for this healthcare allowance at the Tax and Customs Administration and it depends on the level of your own income or assets and that of any partner.
Dear Lambert. I have downloaded and completed the form. Now I have checked my income tax return 2020 again and see that I have deducted the amount of € 138 as "Deductible costs" from the income of Aegon annuity. This must therefore be done via a separate form. I have now put that in the form as an explanation as well, that I had previously listed it as “Deductible Expenses”. I haven't sent the form yet, because maybe that was a valid option to settle it as "Deductible expenses" yourself. Please give your opinion on this. I will wait a while before sending that form and await your opinion. For subsequent years (4 more) I will in any case request the refund via that form.
Hi Tarud,
A few things aren't right here.
From your response I conclude that you have designated the (annuity) payment in question as being taxed in the Netherlands, because otherwise a deduction will have no effect. As a result, you will only receive a percentage of the undue Zvw contribution (presumably 9,7% of lower income tax) on assessment.
My advice is to change the declaration on this point. In addition, I would not in advance classify the benefit in question as having been taxed in the Netherlands. 6 to 7 years ago, a number of judgments were made by the District Court of Zeeland – West-Brabant and the Court of Den Bosch, to the effect that an annuity payment from Achmea would be taxed in the Netherlands because it would be charged to the profit of this insurer (article 18(2) of the Treaty) but the situation has subsequently changed considerably following the judgment of the Supreme Court of 14 July 2017. Read what I wrote about it in my article.
If the inspector thinks otherwise, but which I have not encountered in my practice in recent years, he will have to demonstrate that this is still the case ('he who asserts must prove'). It is then up to you to demonstrate what should be excluded from the levy, in view of the aforementioned judgment. And perhaps that is much more than what is possible on the basis of this judgment, since in many cases the deposited/paid premium for an annuity payment could not be deducted from the income to be taxed due to insufficient annual margin and therefore not taxed later is for income tax purposes. I dare to say that 95% of the recipients of an annuity payment pay too much income tax as a result of not being able to deduct the deposit/premium paid in the past.
Do not get ahead of yourself by designating this payment as being taxed in the Netherlands. Now you make it very easy for the inspector. That is not usually my habit!
Success.
Dear Lambert.
In my online tax return for 2020 I stated:
Income Aegon € 2519
Thereafter:
“Is this income fully taxed in the Netherlands? NO"
“Part of this income that is not taxed in the Netherlands € 2519”
From the calculated tax to be paid, I then further deduce that the Aegon benefits are still included as income for an amount of € 2381.
Is that right then? Maybe by email? [email protected]
Hi Tarud,
Just send me the draft declaration via [email protected]
To do this, go to the bottom left of the screen and choose 'print'. At the top right you will be asked what you want to print. There you choose the entire declaration. The link to the declaration will then appear at the bottom left. You open it and save it to your computer (it is in PDF format).
Then you can add it to an email message to me and I will review it, after which I will email you the changes to be made.
Yes fine. I will tomorrow (Friday).
Wonderful!
In my “declaration of exemption from withholding payroll taxes”, the tax authorities inform my pension fund that “the person concerned is not insured and is not liable to pay national insurance contributions under the Zvw”. Therefore, no premium is deducted from me.
If Aegon and NN also received such a message from the tax authorities, then they certainly failed.