Notification: Tom
Subject: Immigration Buriram
I have received a visa support letter with sufficient income from the Dutch embassy in Bangkok. Unfortunately, this was not accepted in Buriram. A Thai bank account is the explicit requirement there.
Reaction RonnyLatYa
This is another local application where people make their own interpretation of the rules. Buriram is not alone, by the way. I also read it from other immigration offices.
However, it is clearly stated in the rules.
See link for the document.
Under “2.22 – Retirement”, in the column “Procedures”
1. …. or ; (that “or” is very important in the text because it means “or”)
2. Income certification certified by the embassy or consular.
A visa support letter is such a document.
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RonnyLatYa
And now, if you don't want it, deposit money into a Thai bank account.
It's a whole month's salary.
Is it also possible to apply for a year visa in another place than where you live, with an affidavit, where it is allowed?.
And can you just do the 90 days afterwards in your own emigration office, or must it also be done at the place where you applied for the new annual visa ..
Hans
If you do not want that, you will not receive an annual extension. A one-year extension is not a right.
Yes, you can apply for an annual extension at another location... at least if you make your address there first.
No one is forcing you to stay there. Then you “move” back to your current address.
Requesting a one-year extension at another immigration office with an address that does not fall under that immigration office will not work. They will refuse this and say that you have to apply for the annual extension where your address is registered.
actually total nonsense all this hassle of the thai government to create so-called security.
It's about money in Thai banks!!
if you like farang no!! if you have money to stay here in Thailand then…..
you just have to go!!!.
there is no safety net as in the Netherlands benefits etc etc.
So what is the Thai government afraid of????
So it's just about money.
By the way, very stupid, that's how you really scare people away with money??
Or does Thailand not need the Farang!?
Very annoying indeed and as Ronny says an incorrect interpretation of the rules. Found this article in the Buriramtimes from someone with the same problem:
Imagine my horror when I was informed the Embassy letter is no longer sufficient to verify income. They wanted to see my bank book to confirm that I had sufficient funds in my bank account or to confirm I had a satisfactory monthly income coming into my Thai bank account.
They told me that once they were “stupid” but not now and they are not interested in how much money you have in a UK account, only what you are actually bringing into Thailand to benefit the country.
I wonder what can be done about this arbitrariness. It can't be the case that you can only accept a blatantly erroneous position from a particular immigration office - or an individual official - and, as a last resort, leave the country? Can the Embassy play a mediating role in such matters, or can you contest such an unjust rejection in another way?
If the embassy makes the effort to raise that TM30 issue, I don't see why they wouldn't raise it as well.
There is also a central telephone number somewhere to report abuse. I thought 1178 but I'm not sure.
Whether you get an answer to that number is the question and whether that will really solve the problem?
You can always try of course.
Ronnie, thanks for the reply.
This will be plan B for me.
If they do it here too.
Hans
Wat nu?
Tom has a visa support letter with sufficient income, which is denied, it must be a bank account in a Thai bank in Buriram.
How are you going to arrange this with the requirement that the money has been on that account for at least 2 months (or, contrary to the rules, 3 months) prior to the application for renewal?
It's to get tired of.
How was this resolved Tom?
Sjaakie
Tom is talking about his monthly income: in addition to the embassy letter, he must demonstrate monthly payments NL-TH via a bank account. What you're talking about is money in the bank. That is another option when applying for an extension. You are confusing both options. That makes things even more confusing. Anyway: even if you have TGhB 800K in the bank, there are still offices that want you to show that you put in money in TH for your daily living expenses.
Indeed: to get tired of it, but little by little it becomes clear how “people” in TH want it, namely: demonstrably enough money in the bank. In TH that is! Nmm: rightly so!
Here in Buriram accepts with the income support letter, but they also want to see that you actually transfer 45.000 or 65.000 thb monthly to a Thai bank account.
It's against the rules, but who's in charge is in charge.
Because in the past the income statement was not completed truthfully by some farang and the embassy did not check anything, immigration has proceeded to do so. They just want to see that you are actually transferring money for your living expenses.
In October I am trying to get my visa extension without visa support letter.
I think you read it wrong Ruud B, or me.
Tom wants to apply for a new year visa in Buriram with an affidavit.
That is money in euros at a Dutch bank and that must be equal to 65000 Th.B. monthly.
Until now, most places accept affidavits.
But in Buriram they want him to deposit 65000 Th.B into the Thai bank every month, or have 800000 Th.B.
There in Buriram they are not satisfied with the affidavit or visa support letter from the Dutch Embassy
Hans
No, Hans, you see it wrong and RuudB and Geertg say it right. If you extend your stay on the basis of retirement (no new year visa) and you use the visa support letter (not an affadavit for Belgians) from the Dutch embassy, some immigration offices, including apparently Buriram, also want to see that you send money to Thailand for your livelihood. The letter of support only confirms your income and not how much you use here.
So you can see the arbitrariness of the different immigration offices. Last Wednesday I was in Thayang (Phetchaburi province) retirement extension based on the combination method. Visa support letter and bank letter, and nothing else in terms of income. Was back outside after 20 minutes with extension stamp.
So if you have to/want to move….
Groet
George
The confusion is only getting bigger and bigger as there are people here who are putting forward things that are not written at all. Where it says that Tom must transfer 65.000THB per month to a Thai account: NOWHERE, so this is a decision based on NOTHING.
The only thing they want is that Tom, assuming a Thai account, proves that he does have money, and it is not written anywhere how much and how often, to live on in Thailand. That affidavit or letter of support only indicates that Tom has an income in the Netherlands or Belgium, no more or no less. Under current legislation, this should be sufficient to obtain a one-year extension. BUT: Immigration has the right to demand additional proof and one of them is: what are you living here for?
Here in Chumphon Immigration, I also always have to show, in addition, a fixed bank account with more than 800K as a balance and, on which no transactions are made during the year, plus the letter of proof from the bank, my saving account where the transactions during the year are demonstrable are. The amounts that I transfer from my Belgian bank to my Thai account, even at irregular times according to need, are unimportant, as long as they are “credible” to show that I do have legitimate income to live on. I personally think this is a justified demand from immigration and I have no problem with it.
People who also read other forums have already been able to determine what is being done to circumvent the immigration conditions. It is thanks to these people that those who do act in a lawful way are also considered suspicious and make it harder and harder. To my chagrin, I have to note that some still encourage this.
Dear Lung addie, you are often right but not always: as RonnyLatYa says at 06:54 am, an embassy letter should be sufficient. It is that letter OR (English! means: “OF”) monthly deposits. In other words: they are also wrong in Chumphun, and you are apparently more Catholic than the Pope for approving this. Indeed: people will go to any lengths to meet the income requirements, which proves that there are people who have to organize too much with too little income. You don't have that concern, neither do I, others do! But you also make it more difficult and suspicious for those people by giving Immigration ideas (unlawful): demanding that, in addition to the embassy letter, deposits must be made into a TH bank. That's my annoyance.
Dear RuudB,
I don't give ANYONE ideas. I am only complying with a request from the IO that, in addition to my fixed account, on which I do not carry out any transactions as I only use it for immigration, I must demonstrate what I live on. They never put an amount on it, only showed that I do have money to live on, that's it, neither more nor less. What do you want me to do? Put on a big mouth against the IO and tell him that it is none of his business what I live with? Well, you do that, but I want to obtain my annual extension in the simplest way and have never had a problem with that.
He writes this about the Visa Support Letter:
“…. Unfortunately, this was not accepted in Buriram. A Thai bank account is the explicit requirement there.”
So it says that the visa support letter is not accepted as proof of income. And that's against the rules. A visa support letter AND proof of income are proprietary and incorrect interpretations of the rules, because it clearly states “OR” in other words monthly deposits “OR” a visa support letter.
And if they only want to accept a Thai bank account, that also means (assuming it is a “Retirement”) that there are only 2 options left.
– 800 000 Baht on the account or
– monthly at least 65 Baht on the account from abroad.
Amounts less than 65 Baht are not allowed and that is also according to the rules. At least 000 Baht must then be transferred. (You can read in the same link).
By refusing the visa support letter, they also make the combination method impossible and that is again against the rules.
In addition, they encourage applicants to look for solutions and (temporarily) moving to immigration offices that do apply the correct rules is one of them.
Lung addle, it's easy for you to talk that it's against the rules what is being asked in Buriram and many other places. Unfortunately, the required documents for one visa extension also contain the sentence “the relevant immigration officer may request additional information”! So they are absolutely right.
Also at the Dutch customs at Schiphol if someone arrives with one visa, additional information can be requested. Even then, the traveler has to cough up this information.
Geetg,
Is it true that it says “”the relevant immigration officer may request additional information”!
But on the other hand, there is also nowhere that documents presented in accordance with immigration law may be refused.
That is what is done in this case with the “Visa Sample Support Letter”.
@Geertg
and then what do I write?
Under current law, this should be sufficient to obtain a one-year extension. BUT: Immigration has the right to demand additional proof and one of them is: what are you living here for?'
Yes, I can't help it if you only read half of what I write.
Betse lung addie, no. Read carefully what RonnyLatYa writes: of course additional evidence may be requested. But which one? Using the options side-by-side is to make the requirements more stringent, not to demonstrate that you meet the one option you come up with. For example, the embassy letter! Because that's what I come up with. The fact that bank transfers are nevertheless required is not an extra question for proof, eg that the amount on the letter is indeed correct!
The additional demand for a bank account requires raising a 2nd option in addition to the 1st. It should be "instead of". As said: it is "or" and not "and".
You say you were there at 09.15 and 11.15 out again.
When you came in you were given a number.
What time was your number's turn.
I think it went quickly.
I've been coming there for 11 years and it's always very busy.
Even if you come for notify you have to wait a long time
Please your message
Regards Theo
Tom indicates that a visa support letter is not accepted in Buriram. Fritsk responds that someone had the same thing in Buriram. However, when you read your response it states that the income letter is not sufficient. You are also asked how you live, transfers and withdrawals from a Thai bank. So the income letter is accepted only with additional information.
Love all these comments. This is not allowed, this is an increase in the requirements, etc.
For me it's simple. You either meet the requirements of the IO or you don't.
Ask them to wear yellow socks for your extension application. Then you shrug your shoulders and buy yellow socks. Is the same as the demand (demand) in Pattaya to dress decently.
If you have problems with all this, there are only 2 options, the illegal route or departure.