Ba za a iya rage fa'idar waɗanda suka tsira daga gwauraye mazansu na Holland waɗanda ke zaune a ƙasashen waje, alal misali, Thailand ko wasu ƙasashe ba.

Kotun ta yanke wannan hukunci ne a shari’ar da wasu zawarawa goma sha daya ‘yan asalin Turkiyya da Marocco suka shigar, kamar yadda kafafen yada labaran kasar Holland suka bayyana.

A cewar kotun, rage ribar da kashi 40 cikin dari ya sabawa yarjejeniyoyin kasa da kasa. Wadannan sun nuna, a cikin wasu abubuwa, cewa wurin da mace ke zaune ba zai iya rinjayar adadin fa'ida ba.

Netherlands ta so ta rage wa waɗanda suka tsira fa'ida zuwa matsayin rayuwa a ƙasashen da gwauraye suke zama. Sai dai a cewar kotun, rage ribar da kashi 40 cikin dari ya sabawa yarjejeniyoyin kasa da kasa.

Waɗannan sun ƙayyade, tare da wasu abubuwa, cewa wurin zama na wani bazai tasiri adadin fa'ida ba. An sauya ragi da hukuncin kotun.

19 martani ga "Rage riba ga gwauruwa a waje"

  1. Rob V. in ji a

    Ina fatan jihar ta daukaka kara saboda irin wadannan fa'idodin na yi tunanin adalci ne. Wadancan fa'idodin yanzu gaba ɗaya sun yi ƙasa da abin da ke cikin zamantakewa, adalci ko ma'ana.
    A farkon wannan shekara, alal misali, Nieuwsuur ya buga rahoto game da rage fa'idar gwauruwa (ka'idar dokar zama ta ƙasar):
    http://nieuwsuur.nl/onderwerp/475512-uitkeringen-marokko-flink-gekort.html
    (Duba bidiyon da ke hannun dama na shafin)

    Tabbas, abun ciki yana aiki daidai da kyau ga Thailand. A wannan yanayin ya shafi macen Morocco, amma ka'idar ta kasance iri ɗaya. Sai ka ga wata budurwa da ba ta taba zama a kasar Netherlands ba, da amfanin takaba ta yi wani kati na wani gida da aka gina da kaya masu tsada! Wannan ba zai taba zama manufar riba ba! Ana nufin fa'idodin don taimaka wa wani ya sami kansa sama da ruwa kuma ya ba su damar yin rayuwa mai kyau. Dole ne ku sake samar da yawancin kulawar ku da wuri-wuri. Idan kun kasance wani ɓangare na nakasassu, har yanzu kuna iya samun wani ɓangare na samun kuɗin shiga, idan ba ku da aikin yi dole ne ku sake neman aiki da sauri da sauransu. amfani. A wasu kalmomi: fa'ida ita ce hanyar kare lafiyar jama'a, jaket na rayuwa don kada mutane su nutse, amma sai su sake yin aiki a kan rayuwarsu don kada su yi da'awar da ba ta dace ba bisa yardar wasu. A cikin wannan rahoto, za ku ga matan da ke cewa ba sa aiki ko kuma ba sa aiki, "Yaya zan biya abinci da haya?!" Yaya batun zuwa aiki, abin da mutanen kirki ke yi ke nan. Na ji haushin wadannan matan, wannan ba zaman jama'a ba ne na fa'ida amma rashin daidaiton amfani da jama'a. Akwai mutanen da za su iya amfani da wannan kuɗin haraji sosai, kamar nakasassu daban-daban ko tsofaffi waɗanda suka dogara da kulawa. GRRRR.

    NB: Tabbas, fa'idar AOW ko Fansho wani abu ne daban-daban: kuna gina shi yayin rayuwar ku (aiki) a cikin Netherlands, don haka yana da kyau ku biya 100% a duk inda kuke zaune a duniya bayan kun yi ritaya. Amma sauran fa'idodi kamar su Rashin Aikin yi/Bazawara/Taimakon Jama'a/Amfanin Yara… waɗannan fa'idodin “safety net” ne kuma dole ne a kafa su a aiwatar da su ta yadda mutane su sake samun isassun kudin shiga da kansu.

    • KhunRudolf in ji a

      Dear Rob V: Kuna yin karya. Ba a tara AOW yayin rayuwar aikin mutum. AOW dokar inshora ce ta ƙasa, ba dokar ma'aikata ba. Ƙididdigar kuɗin AOW yana farawa yana da shekaru 15 lokacin da wani yana zaune / ya zauna a Netherlands, kuma kuna karɓar ƙarin 2% a kowace shekara. Misali, Ina da AOW tare da rangwame na 6%, matata AOW na 32% saboda ta zauna a Netherlands tsawon shekaru 16.
      Mutanen da ke aiki suna ba da gudummawa ga jimillar tukunyar AOW, kuma ba don fa'idodin AOW na mutum ɗaya ba, kamar yadda lamarin yake tare da fensho, wanda aka tsara bisa ka'idar haɗin kai bisa tushen tsarin jin daɗin Holland a lokacin. Don haka yana iya zama cewa ba abin mamaki ba ne cewa 'yan siyasa a ƙarshe sun yanke shawarar yin amfani da fa'idar AOW ga Dokar Ka'idodin Filaye. Mutane suna neman sakamako mai tsauri, gami da tsaro na zamantakewa, kuma babu wani abu mai tsarki kuma.
      Na yarda da ku cewa kuna magance wuce gona da iri, amma idan kun amince da tsarin da za a bi ga gwauruwar Thai, matakin zuwa ga ɗan fansho na jihar da ke zaune a Thailand, alal misali, bai yi nisa ba.
      Ci gaba da kiyaye ku, ku kasance cikin damuwa, kuma wataƙila zai zama dole ga ƴan gudun hijira a duk duniya don kare haƙƙinsu kamar yadda ƴan gudun hijira na “Spanish” ke da alaƙa da inshorar lafiya.

      • Rob V. in ji a

        Rudolf, hakika ina sane da hakan ( kuna gina ma'auni na fensho ta hanyar aiki, kuna gina haƙƙin AOW a 2% a kowace shekara ta zama, da sauransu), shine dalilin da yasa na sanya "aiki" a cikin sassan ba tare da faɗaɗa kan wannan ba. kara. Na yi tunanin cewa ta wannan hanya ainihin hujja ta ta kasance a sarari ba tare da yin cikakken bayani game da yadda tsarin yake aiki ba. Uzuri ga duk masu karatu da watakila ya ruɗe.

        Matakin da ke tsakanin magance fa'idodin "jaket na rayuwa/tsawon aminci" da kuma fa'idodin da aka tara ga tsufa ya fi girma a gare ni. Zai zama abin ƙyama idan kun biya kuɗi kuma ba ku sami gudummawar ku (+ ribar fansho) bayan ritayar ku ba saboda kun ƙaura zuwa ƙasashen waje. An yi nufin amfani da gwauruwa don tabbatar da cewa bazawara/mazawar ba ta shiga matsala idan abokin tarayya ya ɓace. Hakan zai zama rashin adalci. Ba a yi niyya don samar wa wani samun kudin shiga (ƙananan/tsakiya/high) har tsawon rayuwarsu ba. Abokin tarayya ya ɓace, jihar ta tabbatar da cewa ba ku gaza ba da kudi don haka kuna da 'yan shekaru don samun al'amuran ku (shirya kuɗin shiga). Amfanin yara ... Ina ganin yana da ban mamaki cewa yana samuwa a cikin Netherlands, don haka nan da nan ya biya shi a kan ƙididdigar haraji (yara suna da tsada kuma yawan haihuwa yana da ƙasa, don haka yana da kyau don ba da tallafin kudi ga iyayenku). Amfanin yara a waje? Idan kai, a matsayin ɗan ƙasa, aiki a ƙasashen waje na ƴan shekaru tare da iyalinka, akwai wani abu a ciki. Idan kun kasance ɗan ƙaura (mazaunin dindindin) to babu ma'ana don tallafawa yara da kuɗin Dutch waɗanda ba za su taɓa zuwa zama / aiki a Netherlands ba.

        Ba za ku sami fa'idodi gaba ɗaya daidai ba, wannan tabbas ne, kuma ba shakka yakamata koyaushe ku kasance a buɗe ga nuances. Amma ba ni da tausayi ga matan daga kayan Nieuwsuur kwata-kwata, suna kawai rashin zaman lafiya. Hakan ya saba wa jama’a kamar yadda masu ihun “ba za su sake tura kudi zuwa waje ba domin ko dai masu ci-rani ne masu cin abinci biyu ko kuma masu hannu da shuni.”

        Ban damu ba game da AOW/Pension dangane da ƙasar zama (wanda zai zama abin dariya ga kalmomi kuma ba kawai ba kuma gaba ɗaya ba za a iya karewa ba), Ina jin tsoron cewa jihar za ta murkushe tsarin kiwon lafiya ga ƙaura da baƙi! Don haka ina fatan cewa ƙa'idar ƙasar za ta ci gaba da amfani da fa'idodin yanar gizo na aminci na yanzu, amma ba shakka ba ga AOW, fensho ko inshorar lafiya ba!!

        • BA in ji a

          Yi hankali da wannan maganar Rob.

          Ba haka lamarin yake ba ne cewa ka biya kuɗi don fansho na jihar ku ba. Mutanen da ke aiki suna ba da gudummawa ga waɗanda yanzu suke jin daɗin AOW, AOW shine tsarin da ake kira tsarin biyan kuɗi. Alal misali, yana iya zama da kyau cewa ba za mu ƙara karɓar AOW ba kwata-kwata a wannan shekarun kuma idan za su iya yin wannan a fili a cikin kotu, to matakin ragewa a wasu ƙasashe ba shi da kyau. Bayan haka, ku da kanku kun biya gudummawar wasu, amma a halin yanzu wasu suna biyan ku wannan lokacin da kuke karɓar fansho na jiha. Ta wannan hanyar, irin wannan ma'aunin ya fi sauƙi don sayarwa ga jama'a, don haka a ce.

          A kowane hali, zan tabbatar da cewa kun shirya al'amuran ku idan kuna tafiya na dogon lokaci kuma wataƙila kuna son ƙaura zuwa Thailand daga baya.

        • KhunRudolf in ji a

          Idan mai gudanarwa ya bani damar ba da amsa ta ƙarshe, bayan haka zan haɗa batun ANW a cikin amsata daidai da labarin da ke sama, kamar haka:

          Dear Rob V: 1- Baƙi ko ƙaura ba ya amfani da tsarin kiwon lafiyar Holland ta kowace hanya, don haka babu wani abu da gwamnatin Holland za ta matse shi/ta. Idan ya/ta yi amfani da shi, wannan zai kasance ne kawai bayan biyan kuɗaɗen kuɗaɗen inshorar lafiya na wata-wata, ci gaba da inshora da son rai da biyan haraji na shekara-shekara, tare da ba shakka jiyya iri ɗaya kamar yadda aka saba.

          2- Anw ya fada karkashin dokar Beu da Dokar Ka'idar Kasa. Gaskiyar cewa hanyar da za a rage fa'idodin Anw, kamar yadda aka tattauna a cikin labarin, kotu ta toshe, ba ta ce komai ba game da manufar gwamnatinmu ta Holland don magance fa'idodi dangane da tanadin zamantakewa / tsarin tsaro na zamantakewa. An bayyana wannan niyya lokacin da aka gabatar da dokokin biyu. Yawancin yarjejeniyoyin kasashen biyu ne suka kawo cikas ga rangwamen.
          Ku yarda da ni: za a ci gaba! Kasancewar ana biyan kuɗaɗen kuɗi na Anw ba hujja ba ce don rashin magance fitar Anw a ƙasashen waje.

          3- AOW (a halin yanzu) Wet Beu kawai ya rufe shi. Wannan yana nufin cewa bisa ga yarjejeniya da Thailand, alal misali, za mu iya samun fa'ida daga mu baƙi. Wet Beu baya nufin girman ko nawa amfanin AOW yakamata ya kasance. Har yanzu ba a rufe AOW (har yanzu) ta Dokar Ka'ida ta Ƙasa, amma abin da ba zai yiwu ba har yanzu. A kasar Sin ana samun rangwamen kashi 40%, a Cambodia ana samun rangwamen kashi 60%, a Laos kashi 50%, Vietnam tana ba ku rangwame kashi 60%, Indonesiya kuwa kashi 30%. Thailand da Myanmar suna da lafiya (na ɗan lokaci). Saboda wadancan yarjejeniyoyin (yiwuwar sarrafawa) haka. Yanzu haka lamarin ya kasance cewa ba a sake biyan AOW daga abin da aka samu na duk gudummawar tare. Wato kudin masu biyan haraji. Ana biyan fa'idodin AOW daga gudummawar kuɗi tare da babban kuɗi. Ana kiran wannan: haraji, kuma AOW ya zuwa yanzu shine kawai inshora na ƙasa wanda dole ne a saka haraji idan yana son baiwa kowa ƙaramin fa'idar tsufa. Duba ka'idar hadin kai kuma a nan.

          4- Idan Dokar Beu ta keɓance raguwar fenshon Jiha a Tailandia, to, ragewa saboda harajin fensho na jiha ba zai yiwu ba da shi. Don haka ban kawar da yiyuwar cewa mutanen da ke da hakkin karbar fansho na gwamnati, wadanda da yawa daga cikinsu ’yan kasar Thailand ne, za su ba da gudummawar kudaden fansho na jiha don biyan haraji, wanda ya hada da rangwame kan kudaden da aka biya. Hakan ya riga ya faru a farkon wannan shekara, amma don dacewa an riga an maye gurbinsa. Sakamakon karuwar kashi na farko na haraji a farkon bazara na 2013, duk 'yan fansho na jihohi, ciki har da Thai, sun yi asarar Yuro 25 zuwa 50. Canje-canje ga tanadin aiwatarwa na Wet Beu shima yana yiwuwa. To, kun san abin da za ku yi idan kuna son zuwa Thailand!

  2. HansNL in ji a

    Gaskiya ne, kowa da kowa, hakika yana da ban tsoro lokacin da kuka ji waɗannan matan suna kuka.

    Butrrrrr.

    Ina tsammanin mu duka, kuma ta haka ina nufin tsofaffin 'yan gudun hijira, waɗanda ke zaune a Tailandia ko wasu wurare, ya kamata su yi farin ciki da cewa an yi wannan magana.

    A kowane hali, yana nufin sake bin doka idan gwamnati ta taɓa son yin ƙoƙarin daidaita fa'idodin AOW ɗinmu, don suna amma kaɗan, ga ƙa'idodin ƙasar zama.
    Kuma duk wannan a cikin sanin cewa bayanan da aka yi amfani da su gaba ɗaya ba daidai ba ne, watau farashin zama a Tailandia ya yi ƙasa da ƙasa don ƙididdigewa.
    Abin ban dariya shi ne, ma’aikatan gwamnati da suke shirye-shiryen, kuma mai yiwuwa har yanzu suna nan, sun sani sarai cewa adadin ya yi kadan.
    Ba zato ba tsammani, jam'iyyun siyasa ma sun san cewa tsadar rayuwa a Thailand yana da yawa.

    yaya?
    Na aike da bayyani ga dukkan bangarori da ofisoshin jam'iyya.......

    • Cor Verkerk in ji a

      @ Hans da.

      Ina matukar sha'awar hoton kudin da kuka aika wa jam'iyyu daban-daban.
      Tun da ni ma na shirya zama na dindindin a Thailand tare da matata a cikin shekaru 2, ina sha'awar wannan sosai.

      Duk da hutun mu na shekara-shekara, ba zan iya samun cikakken hoto tare ba. Tabbas muna kashe kuɗi fiye da lokacin hutu, amma mu biyun ba mu cika shan barasa ba. Cin abinci abin sha'awa ne, amma in ba haka ba babu wuraren discos / giya.

      Zan ji daɗin samun wannan daga gare ku.

      Kuna iya tambayar editan adireshin imel ɗina ko an ba shi izinin aika shi anan
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      Na gode a gaba

      Cor Verkerk

  3. Caro in ji a

    Ban yarda da marubucin da ya gabata ba. Bisa ka'idar daidaito, tsarin mulki, kowane dan kasar Holland yana daidai da shi, ko da yana zaune a wani wuri.Na biya duk kudaden kuɗi da haraji fiye da shekaru arba'in. Har yanzu ina biyan kuɗin ANW kowace shekara don matata da ’ya’yana. Kudin yaran kasashen waje a Tailandia tabbas ba su yi ƙasa da na Netherlands ba, sai dai idan kuna zaune a cikin karkara kuma kuna neman ilimin Thai.
    Makarantar ita kadai tana kashe kusan Yuro 40000 a kowace shekara.
    Don haka kuma rage yawan amfanin yaron ga yaran Holland, a waje da Turai, amma ba ya shafi Turkawa da Moroccan! !, rashin adalci ne sosai, kuma ya kamata a kalubalanci a gaban kotu.

    • KhunRudolf in ji a

      Dear Caro, na yarda da tunanin ku. Abu ne mai sauƙi a ɗauka matsayin rayuwar Thai kamar yadda ya mamaye matsakaicin namiji / mace a kan titi. Tabbas hakan ba haka yake ba a yawancin al'amuran da suka wuce. Kudin makarantar ku na zuwa nan a Thailand, farashin kula da lafiya, farashin ziyartar dangi a cikin gida, farashin rayuwa ta wata hanya, daban da na mutanen Thai. Kawai kirga shi. Yana iya zama kawai cewa rayuwa a Tailandia ta kai matakin farashin Dutch.

      • BA in ji a

        Ina ganin kun yi gaskiya game da hakan.

        Tailandia tana da arha idan kuna zama kamar ɗan Thai a ƙauyen Isaan. Amma idan kun kasance a cikin matsakaicin birni to ba haka ba ne mai rahusa, musamman ma idan kuna cin abinci kamar baƙo, da sauransu. mafi tsada a nan.

        Ina hayan gida a Khonkaen tare da abokin aikina, kuma muna da duk abubuwan more rayuwa, TV, intanet, mota a gaban kofa, da sauransu. Kada ku yi wani abin hauka tukuna (max sau ɗaya a mako kuma wataƙila ku je sinima misali. ) sannan ku ba ina tunanin kusan baht 1 a wata. Don haka dole ne ku riga kuna samun kuɗin shiga kusan Yuro 60.000. Sannan kuma babu yara a wasan da za su je makaranta da sauransu.

        Don haka idan kuna da samun kudin shiga na fensho na jiha kawai ko kuma idan ya cancanta tare da ƙaramin fensho, to wannan bai zama kamar kuɗi mai yawa a gare ni ba kuma wasu lokuta ina shakka ko kun fi kyau a cikin Netherlands dangane da farashi.

  4. Joe de Boer in ji a

    Ya ku masu karatu, ina rayuwa a kan ɗaya, fansho na gwauruwa wanda za a rage kashi 2015% a cikin 50, lokacin da na cika shekaru 65, wannan doka kuma ta shafe ni, Ina so in ji ta wani, gaisuwa Joop Banpong

    • KhunRudolf in ji a

      Amfanin wanda ya tsira daga Anw shine tallafin kuɗi daga gwamnati bayan mutuwar, misali, abokin tarayya. Amfanin ANW yana tsayawa lokacin da kuka isa shekarun fensho na jiha. Wannan yana nufin cewa kuna iya samun ƙasa da shekaru 65 idan kuna zaune tare a Thailand yanzu. Sannan zaku karɓi daidaitattun adadin AOW na kusan Yuro 750 kowane wata. Idan ba ku zama tare kuma kun cancanci AOW guda ɗaya, to wannan kusan daidai yake da abin da ake biya yanzu a cikin Anw.
      Duba gaba: http://www.svb.nl/int/nl/anw/uitbetaling/bedragen_anw/

  5. Peter in ji a

    Yana da kyau ya tsaya haka domin a waje ba arha ba ne kuma ba mu yi aiki tuƙuru ba don komai.
    Amma duk da haka adalci ga wadanda suka rasu.

  6. William in ji a

    Hukuncin ya shafi masu da'awar Turkiyya da Moroko. Wannan ya dogara ne akan Yarjejeniyar Ƙungiyar tsakanin EU da Turkiyya da kuma yarjejeniyar Tsaron zamantakewa tsakanin Netherlands da Maroko. Babu irin wannan yarjejeniya da Thailand. Don haka za a iya rage fa'idar abin dogaro ga Thailand.

  7. Rob V. in ji a

    Dear Hans, kuna da kyakkyawar ma'ana a can. Amma ina tsammanin abin da waɗannan matan ke da shi a cikin rahoton Nieuwsuur bai dace ba. Wannan yana ba da kwata-kwata babu abin da ya haɗa da haɗin kai. Bayan 'yan shekaru, wadannan mata ya kamata su sami isasshen kudin shiga da kansu. Rayuwa mai jin daɗi a kashe 'yan ƙasar Holland ba zai iya zama niyya ba. Abin baƙin ciki har yanzu yana faruwa (Tokkie Figures). Kamar dai yadda lamuran ci gaba waɗanda, duk da tsarin mu, har yanzu sun gaza. Wannan yana cutar da ni a zuciya, lokacin da aka rasa haɗin kai / adalci.

    @Willem: na gode, waɗancan yarjejeniyoyin ba su sa hakan ya fi dacewa ba. Amma watakila wata dama ce ga mutane a wasu ƙasashe don samun wasu abubuwa. Musamman saboda ƙasashen da aka yi niyya akai-akai (wanda aka sanya mafi girman farashi) yanzu suna tashi daga ƙugiya kuma akwai ɗan bambanci na kuɗi don baitul mali.

  8. William in ji a

    Idan wannan hukuncin ya shafi ANW, to wannan kuma ya shafi tallafin yara ga yaran da ke zaune ba tare da gida ba sannan kuma dokar kasar ba za ta yi aiki ba dangane da wannan hukuncin.

  9. watan 1946 in ji a

    Me game da KOB (Allawan Ƙarfin Siyan don Tsofaffin Masu Biyan Haraji)

    A tsakiyar Oktoba za a ba da shawara don ƙarin biyan kuɗi na wannan adadin da aka hana (da ƙari € 25 a kowane wata akan fansho na jihar ku) daga 2012. Masu biyan haraji 90% a Netherlands sun riga sun karbi wannan adadin kowane wata. An hana wannan daga fa'idar mu ta AOW saboda kuna zaune a Thailand.

    Abin farin ciki, akwai yarjejeniyoyin ƙasa da ƙasa waɗanda suka hana wannan fa'ida daga biyan su, alal misali, 'yan fansho na jihohi da ke zaune a Thailand.

    Kula da akwatin saƙonku a tsakiyar Oktoba. Duba kuma shafin SVB akan wannan batu.

  10. Robert Piers in ji a

    A cikin kanta, ƙaddamar da ƙa'idodin ƙasar zama (ko da yake yanzu kotu ta soke shi a farkon shari'ar: Ina mamakin ko jihar za ta daukaka kara kuma menene sakamakon zai kasance).
    A kowane hali, abin da nake da shi game da ƙa'idodin ƙasar zama shine cewa ana amfani da shi ne kawai idan yanayin rayuwa a waje da Netherlands ya kasance LOWER. Misali, idan kana zaune a Ostiraliya, ƙa'idar zama ta ƙasar ba ta aiki saboda yanayin rayuwa ya fi girma a wurin. A takaice: dokar da ake da ita ita ce ma'auni mai tsafta!
    Af: fensho mai tsira zai ƙare lokacin da kuka isa shekarun ritaya (65 kuma yanzu wasu 'yan watanni).
    Bugu da ƙari: Ina sha'awar wace yarjejeniyoyin ƙasa da ƙasa aka ambata: shin duka biyu ne ko kuma na gaba ɗaya?

    • petra fur gidan in ji a

      Fansho mai tsira ba ya ƙare yana da shekaru 65, amma lokacin da mace (ko namiji) da aka haifa bayan 1950 ba su da 'ya'yan marigayin a ƙarƙashin shekaru 18. Da zaran haka lamarin ya kasance, amfanin wanda ya tsira zai daina. Idan gwauruwa ko gwauruwa ba su da ’ya’ya kwata-kwata kuma an haife su bayan 1950, ba za su sami wata fa’ida ba ko kaɗan.


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