Vadiwa vaverengi,

Self-Certification yeTax Residences yeFATCA uye CRS: Vanhu Vakasikwa. Ini chete ndine mabhenefiti angu emudyandigere semuhoro uye, semuBelgian, anga achigara muThailand kwemakore gumi nemaviri, ndinobhadhara mutero wangu muBelgium.

Ndeipi nyika (ies) yandinofanira kupinda pasi pemusoro wenyaya: nyika yaunogara mutero uye nei?

Kwazisai,

Willy (BE)

12 mhinduro ku "Muverengi mubvunzo: mutero weBelgian uye mutero wekugara"

  1. Janssens Marcel anoti kumusoro

    Iwe unongopinda muBelgium.

  2. Albert anoti kumusoro

    Izvi ndizvo zvakaitikawo muNetherlands.
    Iro fomu rinogona kukonzera nyonganiso, asi kana uchigara muThailand gore rose uye wakabvisirwa kunyoresa munyika yekwakabva, uri mutero mugari weThailand.

    Hazvina mhosva kuti unosungirwa kubhadhara mutero munyika yaunobva.

    • John Chiang Rai anoti kumusoro

      Kana wakabvisirwa kunyoresa kubva kuBelgium/Netherlands uye iwe usisina chero chivako kana humwe hukama munyika idzi, saka uri mutero wekugara munyika yako itsva yekugara, Thailand.

      Kuti ukwanise kuratidza izvi kune zviremera zvemitero zveBelgium kana Netherlands, unoda humbowo kubva kuThai Tai tax.

      • Willy (BE) anoti kumusoro

        Wadiwa John,
        Ndinobvuma zvachose kuti ini ndiri mutero wekugara kwangu, kubvira Zvita 11, 2007, nyika itsva yekugara 'Thailand'!
        'Umbowo hwevakuru vemitero muThailand' HAZVIGONA kuunzwa muno muChiang Mai nekuti hapana mutero unobhadharwa muThailand.

    • Anopenga anoti kumusoro

      @ Albert handisi kuzopa chikumbiro kana tsananguro pano, asi kunewo chinhu chakadai sechibvumirano pakati penyika mbiri (kubva 1978 uye zvichiri kushanda!) Kunyatso kudzivirira mutero kaviri.
      Ndinonyatsoziva kuti pane musiyano pakati peDutch neBelgium maererano nemitero yavo yemitero. Asi sezvinoratidzwa nemubvunzo, anongowana mari kubva kuBelgium (mudyandigere wake) saka haabatike mutero muThailand.

      Iwe unonyora uye ini ndinodzokorora "saka uri mutero mugari weThailand" uye kana iwe ukadzima kunyoreswa hazvina basa zvachose. Chinhu chega ndechekuti kana wakabviswa kunyoreswa saka hausi mugari weHumambo uye faira maneja wako Brussels Abroad angangove timu 3 (yechikwata chevatauri vechiFrench 3 ndakafunga)

      MuchiDutch (kubva muchibvumirano ichi):

      Chitsauko III Mutero Wemari

      Chisungo 17 : pensions

      1. Zvichienderana nezvinodiwa zveChikamu 18, penjeni kana imwe mubairo uchifunga nezvebasa rekare rinobuda muNyika Inobvumirana uye rakabhadharwa kune mugari weimwe Nyika Inobvumirana inogona kubhadhariswa mutero muNyika yakataurwa.

      2. Mudyandigere kana mumwe mubairo maererano nebasa rekare uchaonekwa kuti wamuka muNyika Inoitwa Kondirakiti kana muripo ari iyo Nyika pachayo, chikamu chezvematongerwo enyika, chiremera chenzvimbo kana mugari weNyika iyoyo. Kana, zvisinei, mukwereti wemari yakadaro, angave ari mugari weContracting State, ane chigaro chekusingaperi muContracting State kutakura mutoro wemari yakadaro, mari yacho ichaonekwa kuti inomuka muChibvumirano cheNyika. iyo mudziyo unogara uripo.

      Nekwaziso dzoushamwari

    • Willy (BE) anoti kumusoro

      Wadiwa Albert,
      Ndosaka ndichingotaura nezveThailand kana Belgium neThailand pasi pe 'nyika yaunogara mutero'.
      KuThailand, handikwanise kupa 'Nhamba Yekuzivikanwa Yemutero (TIN)' nekuti handina. Chikonzero: Handisati ndambobhadhara mutero muThailand.

      • Lammert de Haan anoti kumusoro

        Mhoro Willy,

        Une kabhuku keyero here? Kana zvirizvo, nhamba yakataurwa imomo iTIN yako zvakare.

        Sezvineiwo, iwe unongori mutero mugari weThailand, sezvandamboratidza.

  3. Lammert de Haan anoti kumusoro

    Mhoro Willy,

    Muchokwadi, sezvaunoratidza iwe, ndinogona kufunga kuti unogara kana kugara muThailand kwemazuva anopfuura zana nemakumi masere mugore rekarenda. Nguva iyi haifaniri kutevedzana.

    Kana zvakadaro, se "mugari" unosungirwa kubhadhara mutero muThailand. Zvichienderana neChisungo chechina cheChibvumirano cheMutero Kaviri chakapedzwa pakati peBelgium neThailand, nyika yaunogara nekuda kwemutero iThailand uye nokudaro kwete Belgium, sezvandakaverenga mumhinduro yapfuura. Iwe une muThailand:
    • imba yakasimba yaunayo uye
    • hupenyu hwako hwemagariro nehupfumi hunoitika muThailand (pakati pezvido zvehupenyu hwako).

    Icho chokwadi chekuti iwe uri mutero mugari weThailand chakazvimirira pamubvunzo wekuti ndeipi nyika inotenderwa kubhadharisa mutero pamari yaunowana kubva kuBelgium. Semunhu asiri mugari, unoramba uri mutero muBelgium pane iyi mari (sezvawakaratidza iwe pachako). Kusiyana nezvinoshanda kumaDutch, Thailand inongova nekodzero shoma yekubhadharisa mutero maererano nemaBelgians anogara muThailand, izvo zvinosiyana zvakanyanya neOECD modhi chibvumirano.

    Nezve Chibvumirano, ona:
    http://download.rd.go.th/fileadmin/download/nation/belgium_e.pdf

    Zvese zvibvumirano zvemitero zvakapedzwa neThailand zvinogona kuwanikwa pasi peiyi link:
    http://www.rd.go.th/publish/766.0.html

  4. Anopenga anoti kumusoro

    @Lammert

    Chisungo chechina chechibvumirano chinonyatso taura nezvekugara mutero

    Pfungwa 1 yechinyorwa 4 inotaura zvinotevera (muchiDutch)

    Nezvinangwa zveChibvumirano ichi, izwi rekuti "mugari weNyika Inobvumirana" rinoreva chero munhu ane mari kana mari, pasi pemitemo yeNyika iyoyo, anofanirwa kubhadhariswa mutero nekuda kwenzvimbo yake yekugara, kwaanogara, nzvimbo yekutonga kana chero imwewo nzira. mamiriro akafanana. Zvakadaro, temu iyi haisanganisire vanhu vanosungirwa kubhadharisa mutero muNyika iyoyo yeKondirakiti chete maererano nemari inowanikwa kubva kunzvimbo dzirimo kana mari iri muNyika iyoyo.

    VERENGA, zvisinei, izwi iri HAIsanganisire vanhu vanosungirwa kubhadharisa mutero muNyika inoenderana chete maererano nemari inowanikwa kubva kune dzirimo kana pamari iri muNyika iyoyo.
    nemamwe mazwi, anogamuchira mudyandigere wake kubva kuhurumende yeBelgian. Anobhadhariswa mutero pamari yake (mudyandigere imari inotambirwa) neBelgium (mutero wekunyima, nezvimwewo)

    Kutaura chokwadi, haasi mugari wepano pachake, anobvumirwa kugara pano kwegore nemvumo.

    • Lammert de Haan anoti kumusoro

      Hi Matta,

      Dudziro yako yeChinyorwa 4 haina kururama. Asi kana kuverenga mavara emhando iyi isiri yako yemazuva ese, ndinogona kufungidzira izvozvo. Ndosaka ndiri kutumira tsananguro inotevera pano.

      Mune rudzi urwu rwezvinyorwa zvinowanzobatsira kuisa zita reHurumende yakakodzera pakati pemabhuraketi mushure mayo, sezvandaita ikozvino. Izvozvo zvinowanzoita kuti kuverenga kuve nyore zvikuru.

      Chisungo chechina cheChibvumirano chakapedzwa pakati peBelgium neThailand chinopa kuti:
      a) "Mugari weNyika Inobvumirana (munyaya iyi, Thailand)" zvinoreva chero munhu ane mari kana mari, pasi pemitemo yeNyika iyoyo (Thailand), ari kubhadhariswa mutero imomo nekuda kwekwaanogara, kwaanogara, nezvimwe. ndizvo zvazviri, sezvandicharatidza pazasi;
      b. zvisinei, izwi rekuti "mugari weNyika Inobvumirana" harisanganisire vanhu vanosungirwa kubhadharisa mutero muNyika iyoyo yeContracting (Thailand) CHETE maererano nemari inowanikwa CHESE (Thailand) kana capital iri muNyika iyoyo; Nekudaro, Willy haangogamuchire mari iyo sosi iri muThailand, asi kunyanya mari kubva kuBelgium, saka mutsara wechipiri weChinyorwa 4(1) haushande kwaari.

      Kana iwe uchingove nemhosva yemutero muThailand pane masosi ari muThailand, saka kuona kuti mutero wekugara hauna nyaya zvachose uye zvakakoshawo kuti uone pahwaro hweChikamu chechina cheChibvumirano icho nyika yaunogara mutero. kuti zvisaitike. Mushure mezvose, hapana kupokana nezvazvo, nekuti mune iyo nyaya Thailand chete inotenderwa kubhadharisa (kunyangwe iwe uri mugari weBelgium).
      Izvi zvinoreva zvakare kuti kuongororwa pahwaro hwezvinonzi "tie breaker provisions" (chinyorwa 4, ndima 2) haigone kuitwa zvachose.

      Kana iwe uri mugari wematunhu ese ari maviri, izvi zvisungo zvekutyora zvisungo zvinoratidza kuti ndeipi nyika yaunoonekwa semutero wekugara, izvo (uye zvakare mune iyi hurongwa):

      (a) uchanzi uri mugari weNyika yauine imba yechigarire kwauri;

      b. kana uine imba yechigarire inowanikwa kwauri muNyika mbiri idzi, uchanzi uri mugari weHurumende iyo hukama hwako hwepachedu nehupfumi huri pedyo (pakati pezvido zvakakosha);

      c. kana Nyika yaune nzvimbo yako yezvido zvakakosha isingagoni kutsanangurwa, kana kana usina imba yechigarire inowanikwa kwauri mune chero Nyika, uchaonekwa semugari weNyika yaunogara iwe. ;

      d. kana uine pekugara muNyika mbiri kana mune imwe yadzo, unozonzi uri mugari weNyika yauri nyika.

      Uye chii chinonzi Thai Revenue department nezve kuve "mugari" uye inobatanidzwa mutero wemutero?

      "Vateresi vanoiswa mu" mugari" uye "asiri mugari". "Mugari" zvinoreva chero munhu anogara muThailand kwenguva kana nguva dzinopfuura 180 mazuva mune chero mutero (karenda) gore. Mugari weThailand ane mhosva yekubhadhara mutero pamari inowanikwa kubva kuThailand, pamwe nechikamu chemari kubva kune dzimwe nyika inounzwa kuThailand. Asi asiri mugari, zvakadaro, ari pasi pemutero chete pamari inobva kuThailand. "

      mhedziso:
      • Willy haangofariri mari chete iyo sosi iri muThailand uye kuona mutero wekugara kwakakosha. Mutsara wechipiri weChinyorwa 4(1) saka haushande.
      • Ndinotofungidzira kuti Willy anogamuchira mari yake yose "kubva mhiri kwemuganhu" (uyezve kubva kuBelgium).
      • Pasi pemutemo wemutero weThai, ndiye “mugari” pamari yaanowana, iyo inobva “kubva mhiri kwemuganhu” (muhoro wake wepasi rose) uye kana achiunza mari iyi muThailand mugore rekunakidzwa kwayo , ane mhosva. kubhadhara mutero muThailand uye mutsara wekutanga weChinyorwa 4(1) unoshanda kwaari.
      • Zvisinei, "mutero wemutero" uyu hautungamiri ku "kodzero yemutero" yeThailand sezvo kodzero yekupedzisira yakachengeterwa Belgium pasi peChibvumirano maererano nepenjeni yake yakawanikwa kubva kuBelgium. Chibvumirano chakapedzwa neBelgium neThailand, sehurongwa hwepamusoro, chinotora pamberi pemutemo wenyika.
      • Kana Willy akaitawo mari muThailand (izvo zvandisingambofungidzire), saka anongofanira kubhadhara mutero muThailand uye Thailand chete inogona kubhadharisa mutero pairi.

  5. David H . anoti kumusoro

    Sezviri pachena kuvhiringidzika nenyika dzeDutch,
    kana mudyandigere weBelgian chete unobhadhariswa muBelgium, chimiro chekugara hachina kujeka, kana ukauya kune mukuru wemutero weThai vanokusimudza netsananguro yeBelgian maererano, AOW neBelgian penjeni dzakasiyana, maviri akasiyana masisitimu epenjeni.

    Iwe zvakare une chiyero chekuti mari yako inogona kunge yasvika 1 gore AFTER yatorwa.
    Nekudaro, imwe penjeni yekuwedzera pane yepamutemo Belgian pension scheme inogona kubhadhariswa muThailand

    Chirongwa chemazuva 180 chinowira pasi pechibvumirano chemutero chakasiyana pane cheNetherlands. Mugari ane zvazvinoreva kaviri muThailand, zvinoti zveKubuda Kwenyika kana Mutero, pane zvakare shanduro inopokana kubva kune yepakutanga.

    Ndosaka vapenjeni veBelgian vasingarwe zvakanyanya sezvinoita maDutch kuti vawane ID yemutero nekuda kwekusabatsirika kwemari sezvinoita maDutch!

    (Zvikasadaro vanhu veNL havaizozviita futi.)

  6. RUKA anoti kumusoro

    Zvakanakisisa,
    Ndakafunga kuti mushure memakore maviri semunhu asiri mugari wemo unokwanisa kunyorera kuregererwa pamutero wako wekunyima mutero.
    Semunhu akasiya basa Asisiri mugari, unosarudza inishuwarenzi yako yehutano iwe pachako.
    Ramba wakabatana neRIZIV kana kwete.


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