Mukutaura nevatatu varwi vedemokrasi
Mangwanani aOctober achipisa, Tino Kuis naRob V vakaenda kuAmsterdam kumusangano unokosha. Takava nemukana wekutaura nevanhu vatatu vakazvipira kune demokrasi, rusununguko rwekutaura uye kodzero dzevanhu dzevagari veThai.
Takasangana nevatatu vacho pachiteshi chepakati, pakasvika vaThai Somyot naJunya vachibva kuCologne. Amsterdam ndiyo yaive yekupedzisira kumira munhevedzano yemaguta makuru eEurope uko vaviri ava vakabvumidzwa kuita kurwira kwavo Thailand iri nani. VeDutch Marijke vakabatana navo kune dzinoverengeka dzenzvimbo idzi.
Tino akanga auya nechipo cheSomyot, magazini inokosha iyo Somyot akanga ari mupepeti wayo mukuru. Somyot akapedza makore ari mujeri uye akanga asati aona magazini yake 'Voice of Taksin' kana mutsivi wayo 'Red Power' kubvira ipapo. Muchinyorwa icho Somyot akagamuchira sechipo, kusungwa kwake amene kunorondedzerwa. Takaona nemufaro mumaziso ake kuti izvi zvakamuitira zvakanaka. Somyot murume ane ushamwari, kunyange akacherechedza kuti makore ari mujeri akasiya vanga guru paari. Junya akatiudza kuti Somyot, mushure mezvose zvaakaitirwa, haadonhedze misodzi chero chinhu. Zvakadaro Somyot ichiri izere nesimba rakanaka uye tariro mukati, zvakafanana zvinoenda kuna Juya naMarijke. Kudanwa kunobva pamwoyo yenyika iri nani, vane hondo yekurwa uye havatauri mashoko, vanotsunga kutaura zviri kunetsa neThailand nekuda kwekuda nyika ino. 
Kurwira nyika umo vagariwo zvavo vanogona kuve nehupenyu hwakanaka pasi pekutonga kwemutemo kwakarurama, kwakarurama, kwegutsaruzhinji.
Ndivanaani ava varatidziri?
Somyot Pruksakasemsuk (สมยศ พฤกษาเกษมสุข) akaberekerwa muBangkok muna 1961, murwi wechiThai anoshandira kodzero dzevashandi uye kodzero dzevanhu. Semuenzaniso, akatora chikamu muClean Cloths Campaign, mubatanidzwa wenyika dzakawanda wakazvipira kune kodzero dzevashandi dziri nani muindasitiri yembatya neshangu. Kunyange zvazvo asiri munhu anoyemura zvikuru Thaksin Shinawatra, akavamba magazini tsvuku 'Voice of Taksin' nevamwe vashomanana. Taksin izita zvakare raMambo Taksin, mambo anoremekedzwa zvakanyanya pakati pevakajairika Thai. Chinyorwa cheThai chaiti Thaksin (ทักษิณ), zita reaimbove mutungamiriri. Somupepeti mukuru wemagazini ino, Somyot akasungwa muna 2011 ndokupomerwa lèse majesté. Izvi nekuti semupepeti aive abvumidza zvinyorwa zviviri nezvehumambo hwengano kuburitswa. Sekureva kwedare, hunhu hwezvimedu izvi hunogona kutariswa sekureva kwaMambo Bhumibol. Somyot akaramba kubvuma mhosva yake, izvo zvaizoreva kuti mutongo wake uchaderedzwa nehafu. Akatongerwa makore 11 mujeri, akazoderedzwa kusvika kumakore manomwe. Akaburitswa muna Kubvumbi 7 uye akaenderera mberi nekurwira demokrasi. Munyori wezvinyorwa zviviri izvi haana kumbobvira abatwa nemhosva.
Junya Yimprasert (Tjanjaa Yimpraseurt), anozivikanwawo saLek, akaberekwa muna 1966 mumusha uri makiromita zana kunze kweBangkok. Junya zvakare murwiri wekodzero dzevashandi - kunyanya kodzero dzevakadzi - uye anoshandira vanhu vanotambura zvakanyanya muThailand nekumwe. Mushure mekudzvinyirirwa kweropa kwekuratidzira muna 100, akanyora chinyorwa chakanyanya kunetsa nezvaMambo Bhumibol. Somugumisiro, akamanikidzwa kutiza munyika yake. Akapihwa hupoteri hwezvematongerwo enyika muFinland uye kubva ipapo anoenderera mberi achishandira vashandi veThai uye democracy.
Pakupedzisira, takataura naMarijke Wit. Marijke mukoti, inhengo yeAmnesty International uye akazvipirawo kukodzero dzevanhu uye demokrasi. Akaratidzira pamuzinda weThai muAmsterdam neLondon uye akanyorawo tsamba kuna mambo weThai uye nemumiriri weDutch muBangkok.
Takagara pamateru pakati peAmsterdam uye, tichinakidzwa nekudya uye chinwiwa, takavabvunza mibvunzo pamusoro pekutambudzika kwavo uye zviratidzo zvavo zveThailand iri nani.
Wadiwa Somyot, unogona here kutiudza nezvekutambudzika kwako?
Mushure mokupandukira hurumende kwaSeptember 2006, ndakapinda mubato regutsaruzhinji ndokuva mumwe wevatungamiriri veRed Shirt. Muna Chivabvu 2007 ndakasiya chigaro ndikavamba 24 Chikumi Democracy Group. Boka rine chinangwa chekusimudzira tsika dzedemocracy uye kurwisa marudzi ese ehudzvanyiriri. Muna 2010, ndakanga ndiri mupepeti weVoice of Taksin, magazini yezvematongerwo enyika yakapa izwi kuvanhu vasingatauri venzanga yeThai, vakadzvinyirirwa. Takamiririra vashandi, varimi uye vanhu vachirwira rusununguko uye democracy. Zvinodiwa zvakanga zvakajeka: chokutanga, mihoro ine mufungo yokugovera nayo chokurarama nacho. Chechipiri, kusikwa kwedemocracy chaiyo apo vanhu vane kodzero yekuzvironga, kuratidzira, kusimudzira mabasa ezvematongerwo enyika uye kutaura pfungwa dzavo. Rusununguko rwekutaura, ndizvo zvaimiririra magazini yangu.
Uchaita sei zvawasunungurwa?
Ndinoramba ndichirwa, handityi kudzokera kujeri. Yakanga iri nguva yakashata asi isu tinofanirwa kurwira kururamisira, zvatinoda. Ndichaedza kusunungura vamwe vasungwa vezvematongerwo enyika, kushandura mitemo. Kuti kushungurudzwa kwevagari veThai kunopera. Yasvika nguva yekuti vatungamiri vehurumende vakasiyana-siyana vazvidavirire nezvavakaita. Komisheni yekuferefeta inofanirwa kuumbwa kuti iongorore zviito zvehurumende dzese dzakapfuura dzakabatanidzwa, kuitira kuti kutongwa kwemhosva kugotangwa pazvinenge zvakakodzera. Kubva 1973, hapasati pave nekupomerwa kwechinangwa cheavo vane mhosva yeropa rakateuka mumigwagwa. Hatingaregi avo vane mhosva vachisiya izvozvo! Kana zvichidikanwa, kuburikidza neInternational Criminal Court muHague.
Kupindira kwekune dzimwe nyika neThailand, zvinogoneka here?
Isu tinogara munyika yakavhurika, isu tinofanirwa kutarisirana, hatisi tega pasi pano. Mupunga unobva kupi muno muAmsterdam? Zvipfeko? Zvinhu izvozvo zvinobva kuNetherlands here kana kuti zvinobva kuBangladesh kana Thailand, semuenzaniso? Kune varume vakati wandei vane mukadzi wekuThai, nei? Nekuti miganhu iri kunyangarika, isu tese tiri vagari venyika saka tese tinofanira kuita hanya nezviri kuitika muThailand. Uye nenzira (Somyot anotanga kunyemwerera uye achichinja inzwi rake kubva kune yakakomba kuenda kune yekunyomba), imi maDutch mapamba nzvimbo zhinji dzeAsia, inguva yekuti mukumbire ruregerero uye kutipa chimwe chinhu kwatiri ...
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Somyot naJunya vanoramba vachirwira demokrasi, kodzero dzevanhu, hupenyu hwakanaka kune vagariwo zvavo. Yunja, semuenzaniso, inoburitsa mamiriro ekushanda asina kunaka evashandi veThai vaenzi, vanhu vanotorerwa mapasipoti kuti vabatwe senhapwa. Kushungurudzwa uku hakuitike kunze kwenyika chete, asiwo muSweden neFinland, semuenzaniso. Iye zvino anogara muEurope, anoshandisa rusununguko rwekutaura uye kodzero yekuratidzira kuratidza kutadza kwavo kune vamiriri veThailand yake. Zvinoenda pasina kutaura kuti kutsoropodza uku hakugamuchirwi nguva dzose.
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Yunja, hautye here kuti haufe wakakwanisa kudzokera kuThailand?
Handisi kuzvipa kumufananidzo wezuva redoomsday. Kare, vatapwa veThai vakaita saPridi vaive vasina nzira dzekutaurirana dzatinoziva nhasi. Nhapwa dzeThai dziri mhiri kwemakungwa dzakavhura maziso eruzhinji rweThai. Uye kurwira demokrasi kwave kuenderera kwenguva yakareba, anopfuura makore makumi masere. Pridi haana kumboona chiono chake cheThailand chichiitika, asi tinoramba tichienda. Kudzokera kwangu kuThailand hakusi kwekutanga, chinhu chinonyanya kukosha ndechekuendesa meseji yedu. Kudiwa kwedemocracy, kodzero dzevanhu uye kuenzana. Thailand inoda kumukira, izvo zviri pachena kwandiri, asi nzira yekuzadzisa zvinangwa zvedu pasina ropa richiyerera zvakare, ndiwo mubvunzo.
Pane vanhu vamunotarisira here, magamba?
Kwete, ndinopikisana nemagamba. Kune vanhu vakawanda vakabatsira mukurwa kwedu. Saka vazhinji vanozvipira munzira dzakasiyana siyana. Hakuna gamba rimwechete. Zviri nyore kunongedzera kune gamba rimwechete, chimwe chinhu chatinoona munhoroondo yeThai uye ngano. Iwo epamusoro anoda kusarudzira gamba rimwe chete uye kufuratira boka, uko kune simba chairo. Aiwa, vanotya simba reboka. Saka hatifanire kugadza magamba. Ndosaka ndichinetsekana nekubvumira munhu akaita saThanathorn weFuture Forward Party kuti aonekwe segamba. Murume akanaka, akachenjera, mudiki, ane mutsa, anokwana zvakakwana mumufananidzo wegamba. Achazvibvumira kushandiswa sechidimbu chemutambo here? Risina midzi nevanhuwo zvavo, jaya iri rakapfuma richabvumirana pane zvisina kufanira here? Akatozviita nekusarwira kubviswa kwemutemo welèse-majesté. Tichaona kana ane hushingi kupfuura Thaksin, kana achizozvipira kuchinja. Asi achiri kufanira kuzviratidza kuti zvimwe hatingavimbe naye.
Ndezvipi zvaunotarisira kusarudzo dziri kuuya?
Zvichaitika uye chinhu chekutanga chinodiwa mushure mesarudzo ireferendamu yekuvandudza bumbiro remitemo, kunyorwa kwebumbiro idzva, kuputsa paramende kwozoita sarudzo. Thanathorn akajeka pane izvi uye ini ndinaye pane iyi pfungwa. Zvichatora makore mashanu kunyora bumbiro remitemo uye kusarudza paramende inomirira vanhu zvechokwadi.
Iwe unofunga here kuti mapato akadai saPheu Thai, Commoner Party uye Future Forward anogona kushanda pamwechete?
Ndovimba kudaro. Ini ndinofunga kuti Pheu Thai neCommoner Party (Civil Party) vanogona kushanda pamwechete, pamwe Future Forward (New Future Party), asi Democrat Party (Democratic Party) haigone. Asi kune zvakare njodzi kuPheu Thai, Thaksin akazara nezvake uye zviono zvake zvehupfumi. Yingluck anotiwo 'hupfumi kutanga', asi ari kukanganisa. Inofanira kuva 'vanhu kutanga'. Thailand inofanirwa kuve nyika yatinogona kuvimba nevezvematongerwo enyika. Thaksin yagara iine huwori, saka isu hatigone kuvimba nePheu Thai zvizere.
Uye isu muNetherlands tingareva chimwe chinhu kuThailand here?
Ehe saizvozvo! Unogona kunyorera mambo wako, paramende uye embassy uye uvazivise, vachipokana nemafambiro ari kuita zvinhu muThailand. Vanhu vanotsoropodza hurongwa hwakagadzwa vanonyangarika sei kana kutya. Zita uye kunyara, taura zvinhu zvinotyisa zviri kuitika muThailand. Dzimwe nguva ndinonzwa chishuwo chekugovera mapepa panhandare yendege muno muEurope ndichidaidza vashanyi kuti vaparadzire izwi redemokrasi muThailand. Enda kunze kwenzvimbo yako yekunyaradza, usaende kuThailand kungonakidzwa nezuva, gungwa nevakadzi.
Asi kune avo vanoti nyika dzeAsia hadzigone kubata democracy sekuziva kwazvinoita Europe, kuti dzinoda mutungamiriri webaba, ane simba?
Aiwa, uku kuzvidza vanhu. Ndinotenda kuti munhu wese anonyatsoziva kuti rusununguko chii. Kana uine hanya norusununguko, unofanira kuziva kuti vamwe vanhu vanewo chido ichocho. Zviri muhunhu hwedu hwevanhu. Vanhu vanotaura zvakasiyana vane rusarura. MaThai haasi tsoko! Ichi chikonzero chekuti Thailand haisati yagadzirira demokrasi ndiyo zvakare inoshandiswa nevakuru veThai, asi hachisi chimwe chinhu asi chikonzero chekugara musimba. Uye iyo pfungwa yekuti kana usiri Thai haugone kutaura nezveThailand inopenga zvachose. Vanondiudzawo kuti ndinyarare muromo wangu, handidi nyika yangu. Ridiculous! Tinofanira kurwisa, kuramba. Tiri kurarama munyika ine kudyidzana kwepasi rose umo isu sevanhu tiri pamwe chete tichitarisira kugara zvakanaka kwemumwe nemumwe. Kwete nekugovana mari kana chikafu, asi nekuvhura masuwo kuti vamwe vanhu vafunge uye vataure vakasununguka.
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Marijke Wit ndomumwe weavo vekuMadokero vanopindira munyaya dzeThailand. Senhengo yeAmnesty International uye nemoyo unodziya weThailand, saka zvaive pachena kwaari kuti isu tinofanirwa kupikisa, kusazogamuchira zvakare mudzvanyiriri munharaunda yeEurope.
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Ndedzipi nzira dzauri kurwira demokrasi yeThailand?
Nekuratidzira kupokana naPrayut panguva yekushanya kwake kuLondon, uye ndinopindawo misangano yekodzero dzevanhu uye democracy. Ndakanyorera tsamba kuThailand konong, kumumiriri weDutch muThailand uye kuEuropean Union kuti nditaure nezvekodzero dzevanhu muThailand. Ini zvakare ndinonyorera kuAmnesty International muAmsterdam neLondon nezvevaratidziri veThai. Ndakaratidzirawo kusunungurwa kwaWaen, mukoti akazvipira wokuThailand aitarisira varatidziri vakakuvadzwa mukati mekuratidzira mumigwagwa muna 2010. Ndiye chapupu chikuru chechisimba chinouraya chaiitwa nemauto kuvanhuwo zvavo. Akasungwa nemauto muna 2015 akaiswa mujeri asina mhosva, nguva pfupi yadarika akaburitswa nemufaro.
Ndinotaura zvakawanda nevanhu veThai vakazvipira kuchinja, vanoverenga zvakawanda nezvezvematongerwo enyika eThai uye ndakaona bhaisikopo rekuti 'Democracy After Death'. Imwe firimu yeThai ya2016 inojekesa zvematongerwo enyika eThai yakabuda kubva mumakwikwi aSeptember 2006 naMay 2014. Ndinokurudzira vanhu kuona iyo firimu, unogona kuiwana paYouTube.
Saka vanhu veThai havana kusiiwa nekushaikwa kwedemokrasi?
Vanhu vanoziva kuti hupfumi huri kuderera kana zvichienzaniswa nedzimwe nyika, kuti hutano huri kudzikirawo. Kuratidzira kunorambidzwa uye bumbiro remitemo rakavandudzwa. Vanhu vazhinji veThai vaneta nezvematongerwo enyika asi kumiririra demokrasi kwakakodzera kurwira. Zvikasadaro, mari yemutero inoenda kungarava dzepasi pemvura kana wachi dzinodhura uye zvimwe zvigadzirwa zvevakuru vemauto pachinzvimbo chekudyara mari mudzidzo, hutano hwehutano, mamwe mabasa, mamiriro ekushanda ari nani uye mihoro yakakwira.
Mauto haasi kuzongopa simba rawo, kunyangwe pari zvino sarudzo dzave kuda kuitwa. Asi zvishoma nezvishoma tinokwanisa kuzadzikisa zvinangwa zvakakosha izvi pamwechete.
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Zviripachena kuti pachine rwendo rurefu rwekuenda Thailand isati yapa vagari vayo kodzero dzakafanana dzatinotora senhando muno muEurope. Asi nemhaka yenhamburiko dzisingadzorwi dzavanhu vane ushingi hwokuita kuti manzwi avo anzwike, zuva iroro zvamazvirokwazvo rava kusvika. Saka mutero kune ava vatatu vane moyo inodziya. Zvaifadza kutaura navo muNetherlands yedu yakasununguka.
Meer informatie:
- Tsamba kubva kuSomyot kubva kujeri: www.thailandblog.nl/BACKGROUND/wet-op-majesteitsschennis-aanvechten/
- Blog nezve Waen negehena raakafamba naro: www.thailandblog.nl/BACKGROUND/waen-getuige-van-een-misdaad-en-zelf-vervolgd-uit-intimidatie/
Ndinotenda vanhu vane pfungwa vanoshinga kuburitsa mitsipa yavo kunze kunyangwe zvingangosvika kure. Dambudziko rezvematongerwo enyika chete nderekuti hapana chokwadi chakakwana. Kufunga maererano nechakanaka kana chakaipa zvakare zvakareruka, kunyangwe unokurumidza kuva nekatsika ikako. Zviri muhunhu hwedu kumiririra vanhu vanodzvinyirirwa. Zvisinei, iyo haisi nguva dzose nzira yakanakisisa. Saizvozvo, mhedzisiro yeArab Spring haisi yese yakanaka.
Iwe unogona zvakare kuverenga pakati pemitsara iyo vanobvunzurudza vane ruremekedzo rukuru kune vanhu vavari kubvunzurudza, uye zvino zvinosuruvarisa kuti hapana mibvunzo yakakosha. Aya ndiwo mamirire akaita vhudzi kuseri kwegotsi rangu pandakaverenga izvi: Uye nenzira (Somyot anotanga kunyemwerera uye achichinja inzwi rake kubva kune yakakomba kuenda kune yekunyomba), imi maDutch mapamba nzvimbo zhinji dzeAsia, inguva yekuti mukumbire ruregerero uye kutipa chimwe chinhu kwatiri ...
Kana zvakadaro, ndaizobvunza Somyot kuti: “Haisi nguva here yokuti imi (Thailand) mukumbirewo ruregerero nokuda kwekushandira pamwe kwakasimba nemaJapan muHondo Yenyika II? Hauzivi here kuti vanosvika zviuru zvitatu zvevanhu vechiDutch vakafira munzvimbo yeThai pavaifanira kuita basa rekumanikidzirwa panjanji yeBurma?
Uye pakupedzisira mubvunzo kuna Tino naRob V. Muchabvunzurudza riini mumwe munhu kubva kuhurumende iripo, nekuti inogara ichipikisa munhau?
Wadiwa Peter,
Maonero ehurumende iripo mazuva ese pane ese Thai media. Vatori venhau vanobvunza mibvunzo isiriyo vanotyisidzirwa.
Ko thailandblog inokumbirawo 'kunzwa mativi ese' painoburitsa zvirevo kubva kuhurumende iripo? Aihwa? Kuregererei? Zviite!
Uye hongu, Thailand inofanirwa kukumbira ruregerero nekushandira pamwe nemaJapan uye nezve zvimwe zvidiki zvidiki senge kubiwa kweanoremekedzwa 'Emerald Buddha' kubva kuVientiane, Laos.
Uye uri right: tingadai takabvunza mimwe mibvunzo yakakosha….
Isu hatisi vatori venhau saka nehunyanzvi hwekubvunzurudza tingadai takanyanya kushoropodza. Ndiani anoziva nguva inotevera. Asi ini ndinokahadzika kuti tinogona kupinda muhurukuro nemumwe wevarume vane mitsetse pamapfudzi, kana kuti ingave hurukuro inodziya…
Kutenda kwese kubva kune vese varwi verusununguko vekuThai, vanotsunga kushora maitiro ezvematongerwo enyika emazuva ese, kunyangwe kudzvinyirirwa. Zuva rega rega tinoverengawo kuburikidza neiyi blog nezve zvakawanda zvinokanganisa zvinoshanda muThailand. Netherlands inogara ichitungamira nzira kana iri kuuya kune rusununguko, kodzero dzevanhu uye democracy, saka kudanwa kwekutsoropodza kwakarurama. Ichokwadi chokuti kuseka kunyomba kunoitwa mumamiriro ezvinhu aya uye kuti kunyomba kunopiwa kuNetherlands kunopindirana nemamiriro ezvinhu enyaya yacho. Ko Netherlands yakambokumbira ruregerero kune, semuenzaniso, vagari veIndonesia nekuda kwehudzvinyiriri uye ugororo? Netherlands ichiri kutadza kuvhurika uye kutendeseka, izvo zvakava pachena zvakare nekufa kwazvino kwaJoop Hueting. Zvakangodaro: mumazuva angu ekusekondari takanga tichine zvidzidzo zvenhoroondo uye ndakadzidza kuti iyo iyo cabinet yakatove yakataura muna 1850 kuti Java "yakazove iyo cork iyo hupfumi hweDutch hwakayangarara", uye iyo kwemakore mazhinji. Ngatirambei tichitsigira uye tisadzidzisa Thailand chidzidzo. Mafungiro iwayo haachakodzeri.
Wadiwa Ruud,
Chinetso ndechokuti hurumende dzinotya migumisiro yokukumbira ruregerero.
Ini pachangu ndinofunga kuti ini nevamwe vandinogara iye zvino hatingapiwi mhosva pane zvakaitwa nemadzitateguru edu. Izvo hazvichinje chokwadi chekuti kukumbira ruregerero kubva kwatiri uye kuhurumende yedu kwakarongeka. Izvi hazvireve hazvo kuti isu nehurumende yedu tine mhosva yezvakaitwa nemadzitateguru edu nehurumende dzavo. Hurumende yedu ingaita zvakanaka kukumbira ruregerero kuIndonesia, semuenzaniso, uye kupa rubatsiro runobatsira kugara zvakanaka kwevaIndonesia.
Chandinoona ndechekuti Indonesia, vese vagari vemazuva ano nehurumende yavo, havana chigumbu neNetherlands. Vanodawo hukama hwakanaka neNetherlands uye kubatana. Hapana nzvimbo yekupomera kakawanda. Kungokumbira ruregerero chatova chiratidzo chikuru uye chinoonekwawo saizvozvo.
Ndinofunga kuita tuzvikonzero hazvina musoro. Kana tichitaura nezvazvo, mubvunzo wekutanga ndewekuti tinodzokera kusvika rinhi? VaRoma vakaita mhirizhonga muEurope. VaSpain vakauraya vanhu vakawanda kwazvo munyika yedu mukati mehondo yemakore 80. MaGerman anogona kupa zvikonzero mazuva ese uye zvichingodaro.
Tiri kurarama munguva ino. Kare ikako yaive nguva yakasiyana zvachose, nekunzwisisa kwakasiyana.
Netherlands haifanirwe kundiitira zvikonzero uye kunyange dzimwe nyika kuNetherlands. Usatarisa kumashure.
Naizvozvo kwaive kutaura kwekunyomba, kana uchifunga nezvazvo, zvakanyanya nyika yese ine chekukumbira ruregerero. Kana ukatarira kure zvakakwana shure, pane chimwe chinhu apo dzimwe nhengo dzeboka dzakaita chimwe chinhu chisingagamuchiriki uye chinoshoreka nemipimo yanhasi. Kwaizova kutandara kunofadza kudai vatungamiriri venyika vose vakagara pasi kuti vakumbirane ruregerero nemwoyo wose pane zvakambokanganisika mazana emakore akapfuura kana kuti kunyange kupfuura. Ichakurumidza kushanduka kuita 'hongu asi imi vanhu mune…' kurwa kwejongwe. Kunyangwe ini ndisina chandinopokana nekukumbira ruregerero kunopiwa kune vakabatwa nechero chiitiko chisina hunhu vachiri vapenyu. Chinonyanya kukosha, zvisinei, kudzidza kubva pane zvakambokanganisa, 'hazvife zvakare'.
Zvatingagona kuita ndezvekuti pachine vanhu vari kufamba neropa ravanoti riri mumaoko avo pamberi pedare redzimhosva kuitira kuti kururamisira kuitwe, kubatana pamwe uye kushanda kuti tive neramangwana rakanaka kwatiri tose. Zvese izvi, kuzvitaura zvinyoro, kupfuura dambudziko… asi pasina zvibodzwa hapana kwatinosvika. Pamusoro pazvose, ngatishandei pamwechete takanangana neremangwana rine chiremera.
Vadiwa Rob naPeter,
Rob anonyora kuti:
“Zvatingagona kuita ndezvekuti tiendese vanhu kumatare edzimhosva uko kuchine vanhu vanonzi vane ropa mumaoko kuitira kuti pave nekururamisira.
Kunyange nanhasi, vanhu vane ropa pamaoko avo vanorarama kubva "kwedu" hupenyu hwekoloni. Mhosva dzinowanzoitwa muzita rehurumende. Iwe uchiri kutongesa vanhu avo vari pamakumbo avo ekupedzisira here? Ndosaka zvingava kuchikwereti chehurumende kupa ruregerero. Kukumbira ruregerero chikamu chekuyananisa. Ini pachangu ndine hama dzemuIndonesia dzaifanira kutiza kubva munyika yavo nekuda kwemhedzisiro yemutemo weDutch mumakore iwayo ehukoloni uye kurwira rusununguko panguva yekuchinja. Nezvikonzero zvakawanda, ndinofarira kukumbira ruregerero sechikamu chekuyananisa.
Uye Peter, handisi kutaura nezve 80 makore ehondo kana chero imwe hondo kubva kure kure. Uye kana "kuziva kwakasiyana" chiri chikonzero chekusakumbira ruregerero nekuda kwezvichangobva kuitwa nasekuru nasekuru vedu, ini ndinoona izvozvo zvine mhosva.
Ukuwo, kukumbira ruregerero kunouya mushure mekutendeuka. Pasina kutendeuka, kukumbira ruregerero hakuna zvakunoreva.
Frans anodiwa, chero bedzi munhu anopomerwa tsotsi achiri mupenyu, kutongerwa kwakakodzera. Kunyange kana mukuita izvo zvingaguma nekutenda kwekufananidzira kana mumwe munhu akawanikwa ane mhosva uye ane mwedzi mishoma kana makore ekurarama.
Kana kuri kukumbira ruregerero, zvakafanana, kana zvapupu zvichiri pedyo (kana vana vavo) saka kukumbira ruregerero kwechokwadi kwakarongeka. Kunyangwe mhosva isiri yedivi rimwe. Semuenzaniso, Netherlands inofanirwa kukumbira ruregerero nekuda kwekukanganisa kwakasiyana-siyana panguva yezviito zve 'mapurisa, asi Indonesia inewo vagari vakaita zvinhu zvisina hunhu. kukumbira ruregerero kwaizovakodzerawo. Chokwadi chekuti vamwe vanhu kana zviremera zvine mukurumbira wakashata wekuti 'usambokumbira ruregerero' hazvifanirwe kuve chikonzero chekuti mumwe munhu angozvisiya.
Kana tikachinja kumari nezvimwe zvakadaro, mvura inokurumidza kusviba zvikuru kana kuti dendere remava. Chaizvoizvo, mapato anogona chete kugadzirisa izvi kana zvikaitika mukati menguva inonzwisisika mushure memhosva dzakatarwa. Ini ndinosiya izvo kune yepasi rose nhanho inova nzira kwayo.
Wadiwa Rob,
Zvaunonyora ndezvechokwadi zvishoma. "Kupikisa" kwevaDutch panguva yekutonga kweGermany vakaitawo zviito zvinogona kunzi mhosva. Asi ini handinzwe nezvazvo.
Chinokosha ndechekuti zvinoitika pasi pesimba raani. Kana mhosva dzikaitwa pasi pesimba reDutch, zviri kuvakuru veDutch kukumbira ruregerero pane izvi. Izvi hazvibvisi mupari wemhosva chaiye, asi pakutanga mutoro wacho uri kune zviremera.
Varwi verusununguko veIndonesia havagone kupihwa mhosva. Vakasimuka vachipokana nokutorwa kwenyika yavo, sezvakangoita kurwisa kweDutch mukurwisana nekutorwa kweNetherlands nevaNazi uyewo munguva yehondo yemakore 80 nevaSpanish, kana tikadzokera shure zvishoma.
Baba vangu vakasungwa muna 40-45 ndokuiswa kubasa muGermany, nokuti maGermany ose aifanira kuenda kumberi. Mai vangu vaitofunga kuti vopa vana vavo sei. Iyoyo yaivewo mhosva. Ndiani aive akonzeresa izvozvo. Chokwadi, vanhu ivavo vakarangwa kusvika pakubatwa kwavo. Asi aitungamirira aiva Hitler.
Naizvozvo Rob, Ruregerero kubva kuhurumende yeDutch rwakaparadzana zvachose nekutongwa kwevanhu.
Ndicho chikonzero ndinofunga kuti hurumende yeDutch inofanira kukumbira ruregerero kuIndonesia. Ndine chokwadi chokuti kudai hurumende yeDutch yakaita izvozvo, tingadai takava nehukama huri nani neIndonesia kupfuura zvatiri kuita iye zvino.
Imwe imwezve mhinduro. Sei hurumende yeIndonesia ichifanira kukumbira ruregerero? Munguva ye "Mapurisa Zviito" pakanga pasina chiremera cheIndonesia chekuva nemhosva yezvakaipa zvevanhu. Vaive varwiri verusununguko, sekupikisa muNetherlands.
Chinyorwa chinonakidza uye kutenda kukuru nekuda kweizvi, asi Tino naRob vachiri kunzwa vakachengeteka pavanoenda kuThailand? Iyo junta zvirokwazvo haikoshesi iyi nzira yekuzivisa.
Kutya kunotonga pakati pevanhuwo zvavo muThailand.
Ndosaka vanhu vese vari pano vakanyarara.
Uye izvi hazviitike padanho rehurumende chete .
Ndava pedyo neni, imbwa dzemukuru mukuru weko dzakaruma dzimwe nguruve dzikafa.
Muridzi wenguruve haana kana muripo.
Kwapera masvondo mashoma muraini akarumwawo neimwe imbwa kuchipatara etc, same story apa futi.
Vanhu vanongotya kutora matanho ekupikisa mavara epamusoro nekuda kwekutsiva.
Ndinovimba kuti vechidiki vari kuramba vachizvishingisa vanogona kuona kuti izvi zvinogona kuchinja .
Rumbo rweRap ruchangoburwa rweboka reThai iro rava nemukurumbira pakati pevechidiki. Rap inopikisa udzvinyiriri inotoratidza mafungiro evechidiki.
Ini ndinotoona, pakati pezvimwe zvinhu, kuti vechidiki vanomhanya-mhanya vakapfeka soup mopeds havachatyi mapurisa.
Jan Beute.
Mamwe maitiro mashoma, asi ndinovimba kuti nhamba yakanaka yevaverengi vakacherechedza chidimbu uye ndiani anoziva, akaita kuti vafunge.
Wadiwa Rob, kuti pane mashoma maitiro, ndinofunga zvine chekuita nerudzi rwekutya.
Vanhu vanoda kugara muno muThailand murunyararo, saka pasina kugadzira matambudziko.
Vazhinji vari kutofara kana vawana vhiza yekuwedzera kwerimwe gore gore rega rega.
Uye mukoma mukuru arikuona, zvirokwazvo inoshandawo pano muThailand.
Asi mablogger seni anogara kumaruwa pakati, toti, vanhuwo zvavo veThai vanoziva mafungire anoita vanhu pano.
Jan Beute.
Wadiwa Jan, ndine tariro asi munyaya iyi ndinofunga kuti chikamu chetsanangudzo. Ndinotya kuti kunewo vaverengi vakawanda vanofunga 'chero bedzi ini ndine mvura yangu uye yakaoma'. Ndainge ndakatarisira kuita kubva kumusasa we'tiri vaenzi pano'.
Wadiwa Rob,
Ini ndinonyanya kufarira hukama hwezvematongerwo enyika, hwehupfumi uye hwemagariro muThailand uye ndinoedza kubatsira muThailand ine hutongi hwejekerere. Ndakaverenga marudzi aya ezvinyorwa nechido chikuru.
Asi… Handinyatso ziva kuti vatongi vemazuva ano vane hutsinye hwakadii uye kuti vanoda kushandisa zviwanikwa zvakadii pachiitiko ichi, saka ndinozviongorora. Handidi kuisa pangozi mukana wemvumo yekugara nekunyanya kutaura nezvehurumende iripo uye mukuru wenyika. Ndakaona kuti moderator anoongororawo mashoko akakosha. Ndinofunga zvakakosha kuti iyi report yakatumirwa.