Kutamira kuSpain uye vhiza yemusikana wangu weThai
Vadiwa vaverengi,
Nezve zvese zvine chekuita nekutora musikana wechiThai (kana "mudiwa" seshamwari yangu Inquisitor uye zvino munyori ane mukurumbira pablog rino anomudana zvakanaka) kune imwe nyika yeEU, pane zvakawanda zvinowanikwa painternet uyezve pa iyi blog.
Zvakadaro, ndinovimba kuti ndichakwanisa kufunga zvinotevera: Pano neapo ndakaverenga maitiro pano kubva kuBelgian anogara kuSpain nemudiwa wake wekuThai (urombo Inquisitor, haina kuitirwa sekunyepedzera, asi semutero!). Zvino mubvunzo wangu ndewekuti kune chaiwo mamiriro eSpain?
Ini handisati ndagara ikoko, musikana anogara kuThailand uye nekudaro haana chero chinhu maererano nevhiza parizvino. Zvino ngatiti ndichange ndichigara kuSpain kwerinenge gore. Vanhu vanofanirwawo kuwana mari shoma yeEUR 1.500 kuti vakwanise kukoka mumwe munhu uye mari yakawanda sei nekugara zvachose kwemusikana? Zvakadini nekuchengetedza hutano kune veThai?
Iyo "import" yakananga kuSpain kana yekutanga Belgium kana kuburikidza neGermany? Munhu anoverenga zvakanyanya!
Izvo zvese zvinoratidzika kunge zvakangoita uye nguva isati yakwana, asi pane kutaura kwakadai: Tarisa usati wasvetuka. Saka.
Ndatenda nekune mhinduro.
Kwazisai,
Roger
Wadiwa Roger,
Mupfungwa, zvinofanirwa kuitika kuti EU/EEA (European Union / European Economic Area) vagari vanogara kumwe kunhu muEU/EEA vagare vakasununguka. Chero mudiwa uye nhengo dzemhuri dzepedyo kubva kunze kweEU/EEA vanewo dzimwe kodzero dzekuperekedza mugari weEU. Izvi zvakaiswa muEU Directive 2004/38 "nekodzero yevagari veMubatanidzwa uye nhengo dzemhuri yavo kuti vafambe uye vagare vakasununguka munharaunda yeNhengo dzeNyika". Ndokumbira utarise: Iyo dhairekitori haishande kune EU / EEA vagari vanogara munzvimbo yenhengo iyo ivo pachavo vane nyika. Asi muBelgian anoda kuenda kuSpain kwenguva pfupi (kusvika kumwedzi mitatu) kana kugara kwenguva refu (kubva kune dzimwe nyika) anogona kuvimba nekuraira. Pasi pechirairo ichi, semuenzaniso, zvinokwanisika kuti asiri weEU awane vhiza yekugara kwenguva pfupi pasina muripo kuburikidza nenzira yakapfava, yakasununguka. Kuenda kune dzimwe nyika kunogoneka zvakare pasi pezvinodiwa zvinochinjika, chero mutorwa asiri 'mutoro usingakodzeri' wehurumende uye asingakonzeri njodzi kune kuchengetedzwa kwenyika.
Zvinoenderana neDirective (maererano neChisungo 2(2)) murume kana mukadzi uye vana vadiki vanokodzera kumhan'arirwa pasi peMurairo uyu. Iyo Directive inotaura (maererano neChinyorwa 3(2b)) kuti "mubatsiri ane mugari weMubatanidzwa ane hukama hwenguva refu" anokodzerawo. Nekudaro, hapana zvibvumirano padanho reEU kana hukama hwakadaro huchibatanidzwa, imwe neimwe Nhengo yeNyika ine dudziro yayo / mitemo yeizvi kana dzimwe nguva isina mitemo zvachose.
Ini chaizvo ndaifunga kuti Spain yaizongobvuma kutama kubva kuThai kana paine hurukuro yemuchato. Kukushamisika kwangu, Spain yaizobvumirawo kutama kwevanhu vasina kuroora. Vakuru veSpain (ministerio del empleo, secretaria general de inmigracion) vanoti:
“Pareja de hecho no inscrita con la que mantenga una relación estable debidamente probada al acreditar la existencia de un vínculo duradero. En todo caso, se entenderá la existencia de ese vínculo si se acredita un tiempo de convivencia marital de, al menos, un año continuado, salvo que tuvieran downencia en común, en cuyo caso bastará la acreditación de convivencia estable debidamente probada. Las situaciones de matrimonio y pareja se considerarán, en todo caso, incompatibles entre si.
Tichivimba neshanduro yemuchina, chinyorwa ichi cheSpanish chinotaura kuti vanhu vari muhukama hwenguva refu vanokodzerawo kana paine humbowo hwakajeka hwehukama hwakasarudzika hweinenge gore rimwe uye vanogona kuratidza izvi nehumbowo hwezvinyorwa.
Kana iwe waizoroora mudiwa wako wekuThai, hapangave pasina nhaurirano yekuti mudiwa weThai anofanirwa kutorwa senhengo yemhuri yerudzi rweEU. Mushure mezvose, une chitupa chemuchato sehumbowo. Chokwadika, iyi inofanira kuva roorano yapamutemo neyapachokwadi. Zvisinei, zviremera zvingada kuti mapepa ewanano ashandurirwe mumutauro uyo zviremera zve(Spanish) zvinogona kunzwisisa, uyewo kuti zviito neshanduro zvibvumirwe pamutemo (kuitira kuva nechokwadi cheuchokwadi hwemagwaro).
Zvisinei, Spain inozivikanwa nekusagutsikana nechitupa chewanano chekune dzimwe nyika (Thai), kunyange kana ichishandurwa nekunyoreswa zviri pamutemo. Embassy yeSpain inodawo kuti nhengo yeEU ione / kusimbisa muchato. Kutaura zvazviri, izvi zvinopesana nemitemo yeEU, asi izvi zvinodaro nekuti maSpanish atora zvisizvo kuraira mumutemo wenyika yavo. ISpain Ministry of Foreign Affairs inobvumawo izvi, sezvandakambonzwa kubva kumagweta (anoshanda pa foreignpartner.nl) Kushanda pamwe chete nekunyatsotaura zvikumbiro zvisiri izvo zvinowanzova nemubairo wakanaka. Mushure mezvose, kana zvisingakwanisi kuitwa nenzira yazvinofanira kuitwa, zvino zvinofanira kuitwa nenzira yazvinogona. Ehe wakasununguka kuendesa chichemo pamusoro peizvi, semuenzaniso, kuEuropean Commission kuburikidza neEU Home Affairs. Iyo EU pachayo haishande nekukurumidza, kunyunyuta kwakadai kunonyanya kushanda zvinangwa zvekutonga kuitira kuti Brussels igone kubata nhengo yenhengo kuti izvidavirire nekuda kwekutyorwa kwemitemo uye inogona kutora zviito zvakadaro pakutaura nezvekuchinja kwemitemo mune ramangwana.
Mukuita, mumiriri weSpain uye zviremera zvakasiyana muSpain zvinogona kutamba manomano pauri. Semuenzaniso, paThaiVisa ndinogara ndichiverenga zviitiko zvezvizvarwa zveEU vanoda kuenda kuSpain nemumwe wavo wekuThai kwekugara kwenguva pfupi kana kutama uye havangokumbirwa kuratidza kuti nhengo yeEU inoziva muchato, asiwo kuti vanoda. kuona inishuwarenzi yekufamba kwekurapa. Chirevo chemapurisa eThai (sekutaura kwemaitiro), matikiti endege, kubhurocha muhotera kana humwe humbowo hwepekugara/pekugara, nezvimwe.
Sekutaura, unogona kuenda kuSpain pamwe chete, nemumwe wako pane vhiza pfupi yekugara (Schengen vhiza yerudzi C) kana kugara kwenguva refu (Schengen vhiza rerudzi D) uye kuwana pekugara uye kunyoresa mose kuSpain. Nekudaro, kana ndikaverenga zviitiko zvakaita seizvi, zvingangove zvakanaka kuti utange waona kugara muSpain iwe wobva waita kuti mumwe wako auye. Ini ndaizotarisa zvakare kune ese ari maviri embassy muBangkok uye Ministry of Immigration izvo zviremera zveSpain zvinoda kubva kune mumwe wako weThai.
Iwe haunyore pane hwaro hwaunoda kugara muSpain nemumwe wako. Chekutanga ndechekuti iwe nemumwe wako hamusi mutoro usina musoro uye kuti mune mari inokwana kuti muwane. Iwe unogona kushanda muSpain semushandi, munhu anozvishandira kana semudyandigere. Chero iwe uine mari yakakwana (hapana mari inopihwa iyo 'yakakwana', maSpaniard anogona kunge aine semuenzaniso huwandu, asi chero mari yako yakaringana kuita zvese zvaunosungirwa uye usingakwidzire rubatsiro rwemagariro, maSpanish havafanirwe kupindira. kurara pasi) zvinogona kuitika kune mumwe wako wekuThai pasina kusangana nezvimwe zvinodiwa. Ehe, mushure mekubva kune imwe nyika ivo vanofanirwa kunyoresa uye kutora inishuwarenzi yehutano. Hapana chinosungirwa kubatanidza (kutora bvunzo dzemutauro, nezvimwewo).
Mhedziso yangu ndeyekuti iwe unogona kugara kuSpain nemumwe wako weThai, asi kuti iwe unogona kutora nzira dzakasiyana dzeizvi. Mumwe achaunza zvipingamupinyi zvakawanda uye misoro kupfuura imwe. Handigoni kutaura kuti nzira yakanakisisa ndeipi, kana chete nokuti handizivi mamiriro ako chaiwo uye handizivi mitemo chaiyo yekubvakacha iyo vanhu vokuSpain vakaisa kana kuti vakuru vakuru veSpain vanotsanangura sei mitemo. Senguva dzose, kugadzirira nenguva kunokosha. Nyora nzira yaunoda kutevera, taura zvakajeka pabepa kuti mamiriro ako akaita sei (mamiriro ako ebasa/mari, nyika yako, nyika yake, mamiriro ewanano yako, nezvimwewo) uye taura nevakuru veSpain kuti uwane rumwe ruzivo. Ona kana mhinduro yavo ichikukodzera uye kana ichienderana zvishoma nezvinodiwa zveEU uye zvinodiwa neSpanish. Iwe unogona ipapo kuronga mberi kubva ipapo.
Chekupedzisira, zano rangu nderekuverenga rinotevera EU Manual kuwedzera kune EU Regulation 2004/38, inotsanangura izvi nemazwi akareruka muChitsauko 3 (peji 82):
Kana, kunyangwe nekugadzirira kwakanaka, uchiri kubatikana, unogona kubata EU Ombudsman Solvit. Solvit inogona kusvikwa, pakati pezvimwe zvinhu, nekuenda kumapeji ewebhu anotaurwa mune angu masosi europa.eu/youreurope nekudzvanya pakanzi "rubatsiro kana zano".
Papepa izvi zvose zvinofanira kunge zviri nyore, asi zvingava pachena kuti mukuita hazviteereri. Ndinovimba ndakupa hwaro hwakanaka hwekutanga kubva. Rombo rakanaka!
Kwazisai,
Rob V.
PS: Zvakanaka kuziva, kana uchinge wagara kuSpain, mumwe wako anogashira kadhi rekugara rinotaura kuti ishamwari yerudzi rweEU. Nekadhi iroro, anogona kufamba newe vhiza-isina kumatunhu ese eEU/EEA (kusanganisira United Kingdom chero ichiri nhengo yenyika) neSwitzerland. Nokufamba kwenguva, iwe unogona zvakare kudzokera kuBelgium pamwe chete, uko Belgium isingachakwanisa kukuisa pauri mitemo yayo yekubvakacha kana yekubatanidza. Iyo yekupedzisira inozivikanwa seEU nzira.
Zvishandiso uye zvinobatsira zvinongedzo:
- http://eur-lex.europa.eu/
- http://europa.eu/youreurope/
- http://europa.eu/youreurope/
- http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/
-- http://belgie-route.
- http://extranjeros.empleo.gob.
(ChiSpanish)
- http://www.exteriores.gob.
Kana ndaodza mwoyo mumwe munhu nekuti ini handina kumbopa zvinongedzo zvakananga kune ese masosi ... Izvi zvaive zvimwe nekuti ndakazviita kubva mundangariro. Muverengi anotsoropodza anongoda chaiyo sosi referenzi, saka hezvino izvi:
Kubva kune Foreignpartner.nl ndinotora gweta rakarega basa Prawo (G. Adang):
"Kubazi rezvekunze muMadrid, vanonyatsoziva mitemo yeEU.
Maconsulates haaite uye vashandi vavo havana kudzidziswa zvisina kunaka uye / kana kushanda nekuzvipira kweLatin. "
- http://www.buitenlandsepartner.nl/showthread.php?56998-Visum-ook-door-rechter-afgewezen-via-een-ander-land-een-optie&p=576948&viewfull=1#post576948
Kuti ivo vazive kuti zvinofanirwa kuitwa sei muMadrid:
"Spain isarudzo yakanaka senyika yekutanga kugara sezvo nyika iyi ichitevedzera mitemo mushure mekubatwa nemhosva kubva kuEuropean Court." - G. Adang
- http://archief.wereldomroep.nl/nederlands/article/met-je-buitenlandse-partner-naar-nederland-20-tips?page=5
- Nezve nyaya C-157/03 kuDare reEU:
- http://curia.europa.eu/juris/liste.jsf?language=nl&jur=C,T,F&num=C-157/03&td=ALL
Nehurombo, zviitiko zvekuti zvinhu pamumiriri weSpain muBKK zvinowanzotadza sei mukuita, ingori nyaya yekutsvaga misoro yeSpain mumusangano we 'Visas an immigration kune dzimwe nyika' paThaiVisa. Ipapo pachange paine nyaya dzinenge gumi nembiri dzandisingataure pano.
Izvi zvinongoreva mufananidzo wakakwana, zvinyorwa zvekutanga uye basa rereferenzi ndeye EU Directive 2004/38 uye ruzivo rweSpain Ministry of Immigration (iyo inofanirwa kushandisa nemazvo zvibvumirano izvi zveEU). Chiitiko chinoshanda chezuro chingave chatova chekare nhasi.
Mubvunzo wokuwedzera kuna Ronnie: Ndinoda kuenda nenzira imwe cheteyo, uye ndakaroora. Muchato unozivikanwawo muNetherlands, mudzimai wangu akatowana BSN. Nekudaro, hapana gwaro repamutemo rekuzivikanwa - harina kupihwa, sekureva kwemukuru.
Chii, zvino, humbowo uhwu hwevakuru veSpain hunofanira kusanganisira chii?
Pamusoro pekuinyoresa nekanzuru yako, unogona kuita wanano yekune dzimwe nyika ichishandurwa kuita muchato wechiDutch nekuinyoresa nebazi reLandelijke Kutorwa. Izvi zvinowira pasi pekanzuru yeThe Hague. Iwe unogona ipapo kuwana chiDutch chinotorwa kubva muwanano, asi kumbira imwe yekushandisa kune dzimwe nyika.
Ehe, muchirevo, mapepa emuchato weThai anofanirwa kukwana (pamwe neshanduro inozivikanwa uye kunyoreswa zviri pamutemo). Pane mukana wakanaka wekuti Spain ichakumbira zvisiri izvo chiratidzo chekuti muchato unozivikanwa neNetherlands. Chirevo chakadaro cheDutch chepasi rose chinofanira kunge chakakwana, asi kunyoreswa zviri pamutemo kwemapepa eThai nemumiriri weDutch kwatove kudarika munhu angabvunza (apo kunyoreswa kweDutch kunosimbisa chokwadi cheThai MinBuZa pamutemo, mumiriri weSpain anogona kuita izvozvo, zvisinei).
Kana iwe wakaroora muNetherlands, iwe unogona zvechokwadi kungotora iyo yakatorwa kubva kune yako manisipala.
Ps: Ini naRonny hatisi munhu mumwechete sekuziva kwangu! 555 😉
Nemhinduro yekupedzisira kubva kuna Rob V., mwenje weorenji unopenya mumusoro mangu:
"Chinyorwa chechiDutch chemuchato chekushandiswa pasi rose"
Ini handisi kunyatsonzwisisa izvi uye akati wandei emibvunzo mamaki anoitika kwandiri.
Ini pachangu ndakaroora muThailand kweanopfuura makore 4 uye muchato wangu wakanyoreswa muBelgium.
Mudzimai wangu anga achigara neni muBelgium kwemakore mana uye ane F kadhi (chitupa chevasiri veBelgians).
Ngatitii ndaizotamira kuSpain, ndaizofanirawo kunyorera chidimbu kubva kumuchato kuti chishandiswe pasi rese, zvisinei nekuti kufamba kwevanhu nezvinhu mukati meEU mahara?
Kana muchato wakanyoreswa munyika yako yeEU, zvino izvi zvinoshanda kuEU yese, handiti?
MuBelgium, kune zvakare setifiketi yekuumbwa kwemhuri. Hazvina kukwana here?
Iyi mibvunzo yandinobvunza yandisingazive mhinduro kwandiri. Asi ndinoona zvichibatsira kufunga nezvazvo.
Wadiwa Danieri, unofanira kunyatsoona zvinhu izvi zvakasiyana.
1) Kuti ugadzirise nemudiwa wako wekuThai kuzororo kana kutamira kune dzimwe nyika pasi pemitemo yeEU pasi pemitemo inoshanduka (kusanganisira yemahara Schengen vhiza rudzi C), muchato uri pamutemo unokwana zviri pamutemo. Chinongodiwa chete chinoiswa neEU muDirective 2004/34 ndechekuti wanano/zvinyorwa izvi hazvifanirwe kuita zvechitsotsi. Kuti uone kuti mapepa ari mugwara zvechokwadi, nyika yenhengo inogona kukumbira kunyoreswa zviri pamutemo (Thai BuZa uye inomiririra Embassy yeEurope muThailand, izvo zvinosimbisa huchokwadi hwemutemo weBuZa) pamwe neshanduro yepamutemo mumutauro unonzwisiswa nenhengo. Mukuita, mumiriri weSpain haagutsikane neizvi, kunyangwe vanhu vemuMadrid vachinyatsoziva mafambiro ezvinhu. Spain inoda zvisirizvo bepa repamutemo rinoratidza kuti muchato unozivikanwa uye unozivikanwa munyika yeEU yenyika. Ivo havabvumidzwe kubvunza. Kubatira pamwe neichi chepamutemo kusarura kana kusagona kazhinji ndiyo yakanyanya pragmatic mhinduro.
2) Mugari wechiDutch anogona nokuzvidira (saka achida) kushandura imba yekune dzimwe nyika kuita chitupa cheDutch. Izvi zvinoitwa kuburikidza neLandelijke Yakatorwa muHague. Iwe unogona ipapo kuwana nyore kudhirowa muNetherlands kuburikidza neLandelijke Yakatorwa kana Chirungu / mitauro yakawanda yenyika. Iwe hauchafanirwe kutevera nyowani nyowani / kunyoreswa kubva kuThailand. Spain inogutsikana neiyi Dutch muchato inotorwa.
"Mushure mekunyoreswa zviri pamutemo, unogona kuve negwaro reruzhinji rekunze rakanyoreswa nebazi reLandelijke Taken reMunicipality yeThe Hague. (…) Gwaro rekunze rakanyoreswa zviri pamutemo rinobva mukunyoreswa mumarejista enzvimbo yekanzuru yeThe Hague. Chakanakira izvi ndechekuti iwe unogona kugara uchikumbira makopi uye zvakatorwa kubva kukanzuru yeThe Hague. Kana zvakadaro, haufanirwe kunyorera gwaro racho kunze kwenyika zvakare uye kuti rinyoreswe zviri pamutemo. ”
Kunobva:
https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/legalisatie-van-documenten/vraag-en-antwoord/inschrijven-gelegaliseerde-buitenlandse-akte
3) Kana iwe wakanyoreswa semugari weNetherlands, unofanirwa kuudza muchato wekune imwe nyika kune yako manispala. Manisipala haaburitsi zvichemo kubva pane izvi.
"Unogara muNetherlands here? Ipapo iwe unofanirwa kunyoresa muchato wako kana mubatanidzwa wakanyoreswa kunze kwenyika muMunicipal Personal Records Database (BRP). Iwe unogara kunze kwenyika sechiDutch nyika? Zvino izvi hazvigoneke"
Kunobva: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/trouwen-samenlevingscontract-en-geregistreerd-partnerschap/vraag-en-antwoord/trouwen-of-geregistreerd-partnerschap-sluiten-in-het-buitenland
Saka kana iwe uri munhu wechiDutch anogara muBelgium nemukadzi wako weThai, nhamba ye3 haishande kwauri. Maererano nezvibvumirano zveEurope, muchato wose unoshanda zviri pamutemo unofanirwa kuzivikanwa muEU yose, yekutanga yeEuropean Member State kugumisa kana kunyoresa muchato uyu (kana vakaroorana kunze kweEurope) vanogona zvechokwadi kuongorora michato yekusununguka nokuti michato yekunyengera haigamuchirwi. Vakuru vakasiyana-siyana veSpain kumumiriri muBKK, pakati pevamwe, vane dambudziko nemirairo iyoyo…
Hello,
Zvinoshamisa sei kuti ndiri kuverenga izvi kwenguva yokutanga! Ndakafunga kuti izvi zvinoshanda kune kondinendi yeAfrica chete. Chinhu chinonyanya kukosha ndechekuti vanoda vanogona kuva / kugara pamwe chete pasinei nokuti chii.
Ini pachangu ndinofunga kuti mitemo iyi haina maturo nekuti inoshanda kune imwe (nyika) uye kwete kune imwe nyika. unyengeri husina maturo hwehurumende sekutaura.
Kana iwe nemudiwa wako muchifanira kutamira kune imwe nyika, ndaizodaro
zvekuenda kuSpain, France, Belgium, Germany neNetherlands, zvinongedzo zvinotevera zvinogona kukubatsira munzira yako.
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http://www.smaragdexpress.nl/verhuizen-naar-belgie/
http://www.smaragdexpress.nl/verhuizen-naar-frankrijk/
http://www.smaragdexpress.nl/verhuizen-naar-duitsland/
http://www.smaragdexpress.nl/verhuizen-naar-nederland/
Kune nyika dzinoverengeka dzinopihwa nekambani, asi iwe unogona kuzviverenga kubva pawebhusaiti. Iyo ikambani yakanaka inotarisira zvese nekukurumidza uye zvakatsvinda. Zvechokwadi zvakakodzera kutarisa webhusaiti kune mamwe mabasa eSmaragd Express.