PaTilburg University, boka repurojekiti riri kuita chidzidzo chenguva refu mukusuwa kumusha uye kuzvidemba pakati pevanhu vechiDutch kunze kwenyika.
Ndakatora chikamu mutsvakurudzo iyi nekuzadza mibvunzo katatu mukati menguva ingangoita mwedzi mitanhatu. Ini zvino ndagamuchira mushumo wenguva pfupi nesarudzo diki yezvakawanikwa, iyo yandakaita yakapfupikiswa shanduro.
Vatori vechikamu
Nhamba yose yevatori vechikamu muchidzidzo haina kutaurwa: vaDutch vari muchidzidzo vanogara munyika dzinopfuura 90, vazhinji vavo muFrance (8,6%) vachiteverwa neSpain (7,4%), Thailand (7,3%), US ( 6,5%) neCanada (6,1%).
Avhareji yezera yakanga yakakwirira zvikuru pamakore 56. Vazhinji vakawandisa (66,2%) vakaroora kana kugarisana uye avhareji yenguva yehukama hwazvino makore makumi maviri nemaviri. Vasingasviki 22% vane vana.
Panyaya yenzvimbo yekugara, yakagovaniswa zvakaenzana, asi vashoma vanopindura vanogara munzvimbo yekugara yekumaruwa kupfuura mumadhorobha. Vanosvika 83% vanogara zvachose kana zvakanyanya pakati pevagari vemo
Zvidemba
Chekutanga, zvaishamisa kuti vanhu vashoma vechiDutch vakademba kutama kwavo. Vanenge 60% vakaratidza kusazvidemba zvachose uye vamwe vaive nekuzvidemba kwakasiyana. Saka hapana vanhu vakawanda vechiDutch vari kunze kwenyika vanodemba zvikuru chisarudzo chavo chekutsvaga mufaro wavo kunze kwemiganhu yeNetherlands.
Nekuda kwekukwana, zvinofanirwa kucherechedzwa kuti mhedzisiro inofanirwa kududzirwa nekuchenjerera. Dambudziko guru nemhando idzi dzezvidzidzo nderekuti hazvigone kutongerwa kunze kuti vanhu vakabuda kubva kuNetherlands vakanyatsoita zvakanaka vaive nechido chekutora chikamu muchidzidzo ichi kupfuura vanhu vaive nezvinhu zvisina kunaka kwavari. Uye boka rekupedzisira rinogona, zvishoma zvishoma, kudzokera kuNetherlands mushure mechinguva. Izvi zvinoreva kuti hazvigone kugumiswa zvakanyanya kuti vazhinji veDutch expats vari kuita zvakanaka. Vanhu vazhinji vari kuita zvakanaka chaizvo, zviri pachena.
Tsvagiridzo iyi inoratidza kuti vakadzi vanodemba zvakanyanya kupfuura varume uye kuzvidemba kunowedzera zvishoma kana vasipo. Uyezve, zvinoshamisa kuti vanhu vechiDutch vanogara kuNorth America uye zvakare Australia / New Zealand vane kuzvidemba zvakanyanya kupfuura vanhu vechiDutch vanogara muAsia.
Kusuwa kumusha
Pane kubatana kwakasimba pakati pekusuwa kumusha uye kuzvidemba, kusimba zvishoma muvakadzi kupfuura varume. Vakadzi vanosuwa mhuri neshamwari, mabhuku echiDutch nezvimwe zvakadhindwa zvenhau uye mafungiro echiDutch. Pane chinhu chimwe chete icho varume veDutch vanosuwa kupfuura vakadzi: Dutch nhabvu.
Kusuwa kumusha kweNetherlands kwakave kusiri kwemwaka. Panguva dzese dzekuyerwa, kusuwa kumusha kweNetherlands kwairatidzika kunge kwakasimba zvakaenzana uye hakuna kukwidziridzwa muzhizha kana nguva yeKisimusi.
Kugutsikana
Tsvagiridzo iyi inoratidzawo kuti vanhu vechiDutch vari kunze kwemiganhu vanogutsikana nehupenyu hwavo kana vachienzaniswa nevekwavo kumba. Ivo vanokwira zvishoma kana zvasvika kune "kugutsikana kwehupenyu". Izvi zvinoshanda pamwero mukuru kuvarume kupfuura kuvakadzi. MuNetherlands, varume nevakadzi vane zvibodzwa zvakaenzana pazvinouya ku "kugutsikana kwehupenyu" (25,3), asi kunze kwenyika, varume vechiDutch vanoita sevanotova nemaonero akanaka ehupenyu kupfuura vakadzi vechiDutch. (27,7 vs. 26,6).
Iyo (yemuviri) nharaunda yekugara, mamiriro ekunze uye runyararo rwenyika itsva yekugara zvinoonekwa sezvinonyanya kukosha pakurarama kwavo nevarume nevakadzi. Kune vakadzi, nzira yavanodyidzana nayo nevamwe uye kuchengetedzwa kwakakoshawo. Kuzvidemba kunokanganisa danho rekugutsikana muhupenyu hwako. Nekuti nharaunda yekugara yakakosha, kudemba sarudzo yenyika yekugara kunogona kuve nemhedzisiro yakakura pakugutsikana kwehupenyu.
Ongorora nyika yekugara
Isu takatarisawo kuti ndeapi maitiro vanhu veDutch kunze kwenyika vanoyera nyika yavo itsva yekugara sezviri nani kana kuipa kupfuura nyika yavakabva. Zviyero zvinotevera zvakasiyaniswa:
- Bata nevanhu
- Hurumende
- Nzvimbo yekugara: mamiriro ekunze uye zvisikwa
- Services
- Nezveutano)
- Chengetedzo
- Tsika: kusanganisira chitendero, chikafu
- Rusununguko
- Mikana yebudiriro yemunhu
- Economy
Kuenzanisa kwenyika yavo yekugara neNetherlands kunoratidza kuti vanhu vechiDutch kune dzimwe nyika vanowana nyika yavo itsva yekugara zviri nani kupfuura Netherlands maererano nemamiriro ekugara (pamuviri), mamiriro ekunze uye runyararo. Iyo Netherlands yakaverengerwa yakakwira kupfuura nyika yavari kugara kana zvasvika kune hurumende nemagariro masevhisi. Zvikasadaro, hapana misiyano mikuru yakarongeka yakawanikwa.
Zvidzidzo zvekupedza kudzidza
Zvichakadaro, vadzidzi vatatu vapedzawo tsvagiridzo yekupedza kudzidza zvichienderana nemhinduro dzako. Pazasi pane pfupiso pfupi yemhedzisiro yezvidzidzo zvavo.
1. Nostalgia sekurapa
Nekuti kusuwa kumusha imamiriro ezvinhu anogona kuperekedzwa nekunyunyuta kwakakomba uye kwenguva refu uko kunogona kukanganisa kushanda muhupenyu hwezuva nezuva, takaongorora kana vanhu vane kusuwa kumusha vachigona kuita kuti vanzwe zviri nani nekurangarira ndangariro dzisina kunaka. Kurangarira zvakaitika kare muNetherlands kungabatsira vanhu here? Tsvagiridzo yacho yakaratidza kuti kusuwa kumusha kunogona kuita kuti munhu atange kufunga uye kuti kusuwa kumusha zvechokwadi kunobatanidzwa nekuwedzera kushuva. Nekudaro, hazvina kujeka kuti kutungamira kwehukama pakati pekusuwa kumba uye nostalgia ndeipi. Hatina kukwanisa kuratidza kuti kupesvedzera chishuwo kwaiva nemigumisiro inobatsira pakusuwa kumusha.
2. Kudemba nekuchengetedza tsika
Kuchengeta tsika yako pachako uye/kana kugamuchira tsika itsva kunopesvedzera kuzvidemba kunoita mumwe munhu here? Kutanga, tsvakurudzo yakaratidza kuti vanhu vakawanda vechiDutch vari kunze kwenyika vanoona zvakakosha kutora tsika yenyika yavo itsva yekugara kune imwe nzvimbo yakakura kana shoma. Vazhinji vakanga vasinganyanyi kunetseka pamusoro pekuti vaizochengetedza sei tsika dzechiDutch. Zvaitarisirwa pachine nguva kuti vanhu vaizochengeta tsika yavo pachavo uye kutora (kubatanidza) tsika itsva vaizotambura zvishoma kubva mukuzvidemba. Izvi zvinoita sezvisina kudaro. Vanhu vakagamuchira tsika itsva uye vakasiya tsika yavo pachavo (kufananidza) vakaratidza kuva nekuzvidemba zvishoma.
3. Kuzvidemba, kutonga uye zvinangwa
Zvichida hazvishamisi, tsvakurudzo yakaratidzawo kuti kana vanhu vechiDutch vakafunga kuti vaizozadzisa zvinangwa zvavo, vakazvidemba zvishoma. Vakadzi vainyanya kutamira kunze kwenyika vachitsvaga mararamiro ari nani uye mafambiro. Ichi chaivewo chikonzero chakakosha kuvarume, asi basa raive rakakoshawo. Yakaongororawo kana tambanuko iyo munhu ainzwa kuti ane simba pamusoro pemugumisiro weramangwana rake yaizopesvedzera kuzvidemba. Zvisinei, hapana kuwirirana kwakajeka kwakawanikwa pano.
Zvakawanda zvekutsvaga. Ini zvino ndave kusangana neboka reprojekiti, nekuti ndinoda kuziva mhedzisiro yeThailand mukutsvaga. Vangani vanhu vechiDutch vanogara muThailand vakapinda muchidzidzo ichi uye ndedzipi mhedziso dzinogona kutorwa kubva pazviri? Ndichazodzoka kunyaya iyi gare gare.
Kana uchigara muThailand uye uchida kutora chikamu mune ramangwana zvidzidzo, ndapota tumira email kune [email inodzivirirwa]
Chandinogara ndichinetseka pandinoverengazve nezvechidzidzo chakadaro chinobatsirei?
Uye uchaitei nemigumisiro yeongororo yakadai?
Kana kuti vachatoongorora zvakanyanya, semuenzaniso, chii chinoita kuti zuva riite pamafungiro evanhu?Zvino ndinogona kuvapa mhinduro, zuva rinokufadza!
Pamwe ndiri kuzviona zvese zvisizvo, asi zvese zvinoita sezvisina musoro kwandiri, urikuitei?
Kwete, handisi kutaura nezve tsvagiridzo yakadai, kusiyana nekutsvaga kwekurapa, ini ndinoona kubatsira uye kukosha kwayo, asi ini handidi tsvakiridzo kuti ndinzwisise kuti sei uye mune yedu isu vekunze vazhinji vasingadembi kugara muThailand.
Kana iwe uchiri kugara muNetherlands, sezvandakaita ini, ndichiri kugara muRotterdam, saka iwe unongofanira kutarisa-tarisa uye zviri pachena kuti nei vanhu vachitamira kunyika dzakadai seThailand uye vasingazvidembi.
Uye kana iwe usingaoni izvozvo, saka iwe hauna kumbobuda kunze kwehondo, hapana chikonzero chekudzidza kune izvi, vanhu vanodyiswa zvakanyanya muNetherlands uye zvechokwadi kunewo zvimwe zvikonzero zvekutama, semamiriro ekunze, hunhu, huwandu hwevanhu, tsika nezvimwe.
Uye hongu, ndinoziva kuti kuchengetedzeka muThailand kuri kudzikira, kunyangwe ini ndisina kuzviona zvakawanda, asi kana ndichifamba muBangkok manheru handina manzwiro ekuti ndinogara ndikatarisa kumashure pamapfudzi angu kuti ndione. kana vanhu vasingade kundibira, muRotterdam ndine izvi.
Uye ini ndinogona kudoma runyorwa rurefu rwemienzaniso nei munhu wechiDutch achinzwa kufara munyika yakaita seThailand, uye asingadembi nezvesarudzo yake yekutama, uye kune vaongorori ndingati tarisa kwakakupoteredza uye iwe uchave nemhinduro. .
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Handizotauri kuti zvose (zvinonzi) tsvakurudzo yesayenzi inobatsira, zvishoma zvisingaratidzi zvakananga, asi tsvakurudzo imwe neimwe inogona kuva yakakosha mumamiriro eimwe tsvakurudzo.
Chinhu chekutanga chakandifadza mukutsvagisa uku, kunyangwe zvisiri kushamisa kune nyanzvi dzeThailand, inyaya yekuti Thailand iri pakati penyika dzepamusoro uko vanhu vechiDutch vanotamira.
Ndakabata boka reprojekiti kuti ndiwane nzwisiso yakawanda mumhinduro dzevakapindura kubva kuThailand. Vangani vanhu vakapindura uye mhedziso dzinogona kutorwa kubva mumhinduro dzavo?
Pfungwa yangu ndeyokuti vanhu vakawanda vechiDutch vari kutamira kuThailand, asi hatizivi kuti vangani uye hatizivi kuti chii chakavakurudzira.
Dai Tilburg University yakakwanisa uye ichida kuita chidzidzo chehuwandu hwevanhu, tinogona kuwana ruzivo rwakanyanya munharaunda yeDutch muThailand.
Izvi zvingave zvakakosha kuti Thailand izivikanwe mu "The Hague" uye kuti mimwe mirairo kunze kwenyika ichashanda kuThailand. Chokutanga pane zvose, funga chokwadi chokuti vanhu vechiDutch vanoregeresa kubva kuinishuwarenzi yehutano vanorambidzwa kana vakatamira kune imwe nyika kunze kwenyika yeEurope. Thailand inofanirwa kupihwa chimiro chakafanana, vanhu vanofanirwa kuramba vari muDutch inshuwarisi yehutano.
Pane dzimwe nharo nei tsvakiridzo iyi neTilburg University ingave yakakosha.
@Gringo, nharo dzake dzakanaka uye dzinogona kukosha, ndinobvuma zvachose!…asi izvi zvakakosha here kuti paferefetwa?
Tiri kutaura pamusoro peNetherlands, nyika yemitemo, apo zvinhu zvose pamusoro pemunhu wese zvinochengetwa kusvika panguva uye zvakanyoreswa, nokuti pandinotarisa nhau vanhu vari kutaura pamusoro pemutemo wezvakavanzika, izvo zvakare zvakaputswa, kana zvine chokuita nemishonga. zvinyorwa. , kana nezvenharembozha, kana nezvemasayiti epainternet anotepwa, vanhu vanongoshaya kuti wakapfeka bhurugwa remukati rakaita ruvara chipi, zvese zvinozivikanwa.
Zvichida ndiri kuwedzeredza, asi hausi kundiudza kuti zvidzidzo zvinodiwa kuti uone kuti vangani vanhu vechiDutch vanogara kunze kwenyika.
Uye handifungi kuti vezvematongerwo enyika veDutch vanofarira kuti chii chinokurudzira kana vanhu vakatamira kune imwe nyika, uye kana zvakadaro ndinogona kuvabatsira kubva mukurota kuti chikonzero ndechokuti iyi ndiyo nzvimbo yekugara nekuda kwezvematongerwe enyika mune zvematongerwo enyika. Netherlands neEurope uye nharaunda yekugara yakakanganiswa zvekuti vanhu vari kutsvaga ruponeso kune imwe nzvimbo.
"Pamwe ndiri kuwedzeredza izvozvi, asi hausi kundiudza kuti zvidzidzo zvinodiwa kuti uzive kuti vangani vanhu vechiDutch vanogara kunze kwenyika."
Netherlands haina kunyoresa vanhu vanosiya, kana ukagara kunze kwenyika kweanopfuura mwedzi 8 unofanirwa kuzvibvisa (kana maneja achakubvisa kunyoreswa kana vakazviziva, "kugadziriswa kwekutonga"). Asi kupi, sei, kwenguva yakareba sei kutama kunotarisirwa, nezvimwewo hazvina kunyorwa. Izvi zvine zvazvakaipira: hapana nhamba chaiyo inogona kupihwa pamusoro pekuti vangani vanhu vechiDutch, semuenzaniso, vanogara muThailand, nei (basa, rudo, kuchembera, kudzidza kwenguva pfupi, nezvimwewo) uye kuti vanoronga kugara kwenguva yakareba sei (vamwe pagore. , makore mashoma). , zvachose, zvese zviri pakati).
Zvinhu zvose zvinonyorwa pasuo romukova. Nhamba dzakawanda dzinozivikanwa nezve kutama (CBS, IND, nezvimwewo).
Ehe, kumwe kufungidzira kunogona kuitwa kana, semuenzaniso, iwe ukatarisa kana mabhenefiti achienda kunze kwenyika (AOW, mudyandigere, rubatsiro rwevana, zvichingodaro), uko vanhu vanogashira tsamba, nezvimwe, asi ipapo iwe unongova nemufananidzo wakazara. . Semuenzaniso, mumwe munhu anogona kugara muThailand asi otumira tsamba kuburikidza neNetherlands, ave nemari yakaiswa muakaundi yeDutch, nezvimwe.
Ndinoda kuziva kuti ndiani ari kuenda kumwe, sei, uye kwenguva yakareba sei. Zvakawanda zvisina maturo zvinotaurwa pamusoro pezviverengero zvekutama, chikamu chisina maturo, chikamu nokuti mamwe manhamba haasipo uye vanhu vanoedza kupendesa mufananidzo ivo pachavo nechinangwa chakanakisisa / chakaipisisa ... Uye zvisina kunanga ichokwadi inobatsira, sezvinoitwa naGringo. Semuenzaniso, zvematongerwo enyika echiDutch anowanzo kukanganwa kukosha kwevanobva kunze uye vanoenda kune dzimwe nyika. Funga nezve kukakavara pamusoro pekubvisa nyika mbiri (VVD yakakurumidza kudzoka pasi apo expats uye vemarudzi akawanda vakaridza aramu kuti zvinonyadzisa, nzvimbo yakachinja kuti kuzvipira nyika dzakawanda kunofanira kungoshanda kune vanobva kune dzimwe nyika kuNetherlands uye kwete kune vanhu vakasiya Netherlands. kwenguva pfupi kana zvachose). Kana "zvematongerwo enyika" anonyatsofarira vagari kune imwe nzvimbo? Pazasi, mari (zvido zvehupfumi, zvido zvekutengeserana, nezvimwewo) inowanzoita senge ine sarudzo...
Hazvisi pamusoro pekuti mumwe munhu anoona sei hupenyu hwake muNetherlands, uye anoona zvikonzero zvekusiya Netherlands. Kazhinji, vanhu vanofunga kuti mutoro wemutero wakanyanyisa, hurumende yehutano iri kubviswa, uye vaneta nekupindira kwehurumende. Kubva pane izvi, hapana tsvakiridzo inodiwa zvechokwadi, kunze kwekunge iine chekuita nekuyera huwandu hwekugunun'una muNetherlands.
Vanhu vanogona kusarudza kubva muNetherlands nekuti vanoona mikana yakawanda ine imwe nhanho yemari. Vanhu vanogonawo kuda kusiya nekuti vanoona mikana yebudiriro yemunhu.
Pakati pane huwandu hukuru hwekusiyana uye mutsauko wemotifs.
Chero zvazvingava: nokuti vanhu vanoda kugara kune imwe nyika kunze kweNetherlands, kwete tsvakurudzo yakakwana inogona kuitwa. Gringo anoti tsvagiridzo yeYunivhesiti yeTilburg ndeye kuzvidemba, kusuwa kumusha, kugutsikana uye nyika yekugara muzvikamu gumi. Anofanira kurumbidzwa nokuda kweGringo kutora chikamu mukutsvagisa uye kugovera mhedzisiro yekutanga nesu. Aya marudzi ezvidzidzo anopa data rakawanda rinogona kutibatsira iye zvino kana mune ramangwana. Kungotaura zvinhu zvishoma zviri nyore: kana zvikazoitika kuti 'kugutsikana' kwakaderera pakati pevanhu vari kunze kwenyika, vanhu vazhinji vanokwenya misoro yavo pakufunga.
kuda kuenda.
Zvakanaka kuti imwe tsvakiridzo yekutevera iitwe pane zvese izvi zvikuru uye zvidiki-zvinhu. Kunyanya patinoziva kuti chokwadi chinoshanda sei, kunze kwekuonekwa kwemavara ega ega uye mavara eavo vanogara imomo (vanodya penjeni uye mamwe mafarang), zvinova nyore kuita sarudzo yakanaka. Izvo zviri nani kugadzirira kunogona kuva. Uye zviri nani kuenderana nemamiriro ezvinhu munhu anosangana nawo. Kuyera kuziva. Uye kana iwe uchiwedzera kuziva, zviri nani iwe unogona kutarisira. Ndirwowo ruzivo!
Sei vanhu vazhinji vechiDutch vachinzwa kufara zvakanyanya muThailand kupfuura muNetherlands?
Chekutanga, mamiriro ekunze akanaka muThailand, hapana mutero wemigwagwa uye mutero wakakwira pamotokari
Hapana vakadzi pano vanotemerwa musoro ukada kuvada husiku.
Hapana marendi makuru pano.
Hapana mabhiri emagetsi epamusoro pano.
Aiwa vakuru pano vanoswera vachifunga kuti ndobvisa sei rimwe gumbo mumari dzevanhu.Hapana zvikwata zvevechidiki pano zvinopfira nekubira chembere mumugwagwa.
Hapana mari inodhura muzvitoro zvikuru pano.
Rusununguko kuita bhizimusi pano kubudikidza nemukadzi wako.
Unogona kutyaira nepano usina ngowani, inodhura 200 yekugezera muUdonthani
Heino kuratidzira kwakanaka kunozadza nzvimbo yemugwagwa ha ha.
Hapana hurombo chaihwo pano, munhu wese anofanira kudya, kunyangwe vatorwa vanowana chikafu chemahara kune mamwe maresitorendi.
Iko hakuna marudzi ese emitemo nemirairo kumanisiparati ayo iwe unogara uchibhadharira mari yakawanda muNetherlands.Hapana mutero wembwa pano.
Pano unogona kumhanyisa kutenderera sechipenzi chekare pane scooter inokurumidza pa80 km paawa.
Pano iwe uchine mikana yebhizimisi yekusununguka.
A 600 cl doro rinongodhura pano semuchitoro muNetherlands, asi nyama yenguruve inodhura isingasviki hafu muNetherlands.
Mari yekuchenesa 20 yekugezera pamwedzi, ivo vanozotora marara emba yako ka12 pamwedzi!
Vanonyunyuta pano vanowanzova vanokambaira uye vanhu vechiDutch vanoda kutamba hunk mubhawa.
MuNetherlands vanorenda imba uye muno vanofanira kutengera imba yemukadzi wavasati vamboonana naye.Izvo zvinofadza, vanofunga kudaro.
Kune mamwe mazana ezvakanakira kunyora.
Uye Heimwhee ndeyemawimps, sezvataiwanzotaura isu vafambisi vechikepe.
Mhinduro dzakawanda dzinoratidza zvakare kuti vafambisi vepamusoro vari pamhenderekedzo (vanogara muNetherlands).
Zvadaro zvisingabatsiri
Chenjera kuti usanyengerwa nemudiwa wako (zvinogona kutsanangurwa nenzira dzakawanda)
Mari dzehutano dzakati wedzerei asi dzinokwanisika.
Kusapindira mune zvematongerwo enyika ndiko kunofanirwa, asi unotenderwa kuve nemafungiro ako pachako,
Uyezve farira hupenyu nekuti dzimwe nguva zvinongogara kwechinguva, uye inzwa wakasununguka kundinyeya, ipapo ndoziva kuti uri fani yangu.
Jan Luck
Iwe unotaura zvakanyanya kunyomba nezvevakadzi, kutevedzera vakadzi vechiDutch uye unofanirwa kuchenjerera vakadzi vechiThai.
Hazvingave here kuti vakadzi vechiDutch vakatevedzera kuve nemusoro uye vakadzi vechiThai chaizvo uye nenzira yekufananidzira regai zvese zviitike kwavari nekuzviita?
Panogona kuva nezvikonzero zvakawanda zveizvi. Kusagezwa, kusisina mweya wekufema uye dumbu riya redoro rine remote control ririkusvika, rakazvambarara pasofa rine vanhu 3, muchidimbu, haachasisiri murume wavakatanga kudanana naye kudaro?
Kana kuti zvichida wakambotambura nokukuvadzwa munguva yakapfuura uko kwakavamba muchikoro chesekondari sowechiduku uye zvino wakatambura rudzi rwakati rwekuvadziko kubva kwairi, kukuvadzwa kwakasimba kwazvo zvokuti kuzvirangarira kwave kushayikwa nokufamba kwamakore uye kunyange kwakasimba zvikuru zvokuti makuhwa. inonakidza.nekufungidzira kuti vakawana vateveri kubva mairi.
Chokwadi, ingochenjerera kuti usanyengerwa, aya mazwi ako ...
Moderator: ndapota musataure.
Jan, nemari iyo munhu wechiDutch anowana muNetherlands uye anogona kushandisa muThailand, ivo vachanyatsonzwa kufara. Izvo zvinoshandawo kune Thai. Pakarepo zvese zvakachipa kwavari zvakare.Hapana vashandi vehurumende vari kufunga kuti vangabira vanhu mari sei? Ndakanga ndisingazive kuti muThailand hapasisina huori. Ehe, kune akawanda mabhenefiti ekugara muThailand. Asi panewo zvakawanda zvisingabatsiri. Kana iwe uchinzwa kuti kune zvakawanda zvakanakira kupfuura zvisingabatsiri, ipapo iwe zvechokwadi uchanzwa kufara. Kwenguva yakareba sezvazvinogara, hongu.
Zvakanaka, hazvishande kune vanhu vechiDutch chete kuti havana zvishoma zvekuzvidemba nezvekusiya Netherlands. MaBelgians andinoziva ari kubva kuBelgium - uye nhamba iyi iri kuramba ichiwedzera, mwedzi wega wega ndinonzwa kubva kune mumwe munhu kuti anoda kubva pano - anofara chaizvo kuvhara musuwo kumashure kwavo pano.
Zvikonzero zvacho? Vangave vakatotama kana kuti kwete, vanhu vese vandinoziva pasina anosiya vakandipa zvikonzero zvinotevera. Nyika dziri kuenda dzinosanganisira Switzerland, Chile, France, Greece, Thailand, uye US.
- mutoro wemutero.
- hurumende.
- hapana chokwadi chepamutemo.
– zvematongerwo enyika.
- mamiriro ekunze.
- kushaya rukudzo munzanga.
Zvichida zvimwe zvezvinhu izvi zviripowo munyika dzekuenda, handigoni kusimbisa kuti ruoko rwekutanga ... Asi zvinoshamisa kuti munhu wose anotaura zvikonzero zvinoratidza kusava nechivimbo mumasangano edu.
Saka kana vezvematongerwo enyika ava vachiri kuda kuti vanhu vari pano varambe vachibatsira hupfumi hwedu, zvimwe zvinhu zvinofanirwa kuchinja... Zvikasadaro handisi kuona kuti ndiani achange achibhadhara mari yedu yepenjeni in x nhamba yemakore... Kana kuti vangadaro. vanofanira kuva vabvakure avo zvino vanonzwawo kuti havasi kugamuchirwa pano...
Chii chingave chinonakidza iko zvino chidzidzo chekuti Thais vakatamira kuNetherlands vanozvidemba here kana kuti kwete. Kana kuti vanofanira kungotarisa kuThailand kuti vaone zvikonzero nei vasingadembi chisarudzo ichocho: hapana kuchengetedzwa kwevanhu, mihoro yakaderera, musiyano mukuru pakati pevapfumi nevarombo, huwori hwepamusoro, kusateerera mutemo, kuwanda kwehutsotsi, huwandu hwemotokari. kufa...uye kusakanganwa: kunaya kwakawanda...(paavhareji kune mvura zhinji muThailand kupfuura muNetherlands: iko zvino ichi chidzidzo chinobatsira...
Wadiwa Chris.
Kubva kuvazivikanwi vekare uye vemazuva ano, kubva kuThais akaenda kuNetherlands asiwo kune dzimwe nyika
vapinda.
Anenge munhu wese anoda kudzokera kuThailand.
Usandibvunza kuti sei.
Asi ndinofunga kuti vanotanga kufunga kuti kana vauya kuzogara muNetherlands, somuenzaniso, zvinhu zvose zvichava nani zvikuru.
Asi zvino nzira yehupenyu netsika yavo zvinorova zvakare.
Kwandinogara kuThailand, kune vakawanda vakagara nekushanda kunze kwenyika kwemakore.
Kunyangwe akadzidza zvakanyanya Thais ane mukadzi waFarang.
Vese vanogara pano zvakare.
Dutch, Great Britain, Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, France, USA, Canada and Australia.
Kugara nekushanda ikoko kwemakore uye mushure kana kuti ndisati ndaenda pamudyandigere.
Dzokera kuThailand neFarang.
Uye ndinogara mumusha mudiki kusiri kure neChiangmai.
Jan Beute.
Ndakaverenga kusagutsikana kukuru pamusoro peNetherlands, asi chaizvoizvo mamiriro ezvinhu pano achiri akanaka, kunyange zvazvo zvivako izvo vanhu vedu vakarwira kwenguva yakareba zviri kuparadzwa zvakanyanya. Zviri pachena kuti kune mapoka makuru evanhu vanoda kubva kuNetherlands kana kuti vatoenda.
Ini pachangu ndine (kutaura pamusoro pemakumi mashoma emakore apfuura) mhuri muCanada neAustralia avo vaida chaizvo kudzokera kuNetherlands kwechinguva asi vakanga vasina mari nokuda kwayo ... Ikoko kwaiva kushanda kwakaoma kupfuura kuNetherlands uye zvakadaro kwaivapo. hapana mari yakakwana yekuita chero chinhu. zvinhu zvakakosha zvekuita sekushanyira mhuri muNetherlands….
Ndagara ndichisangana nevanhu vechiDutch kunze kwenyika (muThailand neIndonesia) vanodemba kuti vakapisa zvikepe zvavo. Havakwanisi kudzoka nekuda kwezvikonzero zvakasiyana-siyana (kunyanya zvemari). Ichokwadi kuti kune vanhu vasingambodi kudzoka ... asi kana vakatarisa mukati memwoyo yavo, chokwadi chinowanzosiyana pane chinoratidzika. Ndiani anoda kuve "anorasika" ...
Ndinoda kubva kuNetherlands munguva yechando (chete nekuda kwechando uye kupemberera zororo panguva imwe chete), asi ndinogara ndichifara kuti chitubu chiri kuuya muNetherlands: ipapo ndinoda kudzokera zvakare. Nokuti Netherlands ichiri paradhiso kana ichienzaniswa nezvandinosangana nazvo munzvimbo dzinopisa. Hameno kusununguka kwekuenda nekudzoka.
Zvakaoma munzvimbo dzinopisa (zvagara zvakadaro) uye ndiani anoda kurarama (pandinofunga nezveThailand) munyika umo "hurumende yemonkey" inotarisira ... Kwete kuti ndinofara neHurumende pano ( pane zvinopesana) asi zviri nani zvisingarambiki (zvakarongwa) pano kupfuura munyika dzinopisa.
Mhedziso yangu ndeyekuti Netherlands iparadhiso asi kudziya kunoshaikwa zvakanyanya…
Iye zvino ndinotarisira kuna Jan kuti munguva pfupi ichave nenzvimbo mumusha weDutch wekurega basa nokuti vose vari kuvhara uye kuva dzimba dzevadzidzi.
Iwe unogona chete kuenda kukiriniki yevanamukoti, asi zvino iwe unofanirwa kupererwa zvachose uye wozosarudzwa.
Vari kuparadza hurumende yehutano yatakavaka uye kana ukagara nemwana wako kana hanzvadzi kana mukoma, iwe uchatemwa 300 euros kubva kuAOW yako kuvonga kuna Mai Klijnsma PvdA vari kushanda pairi.
Saka vanouraya shiri mbiri nedombo rimwe uye vanovhara dzimba dzevanhu vakuru uye kuderedza AOW pavanenge vachigara, saka ini handifunge kuti zvakanaka zvakare muHolland.
Ione seyakasiyana nemutemo wekuti kugara muNetherlands kuri nani pane kuThailand.
Munogara muine maonero akasiyana.
Thailand yagara isiri nyika ine hutongi hwakasimba. Huori hwatekeshera. Asi kana zvikasakunetsa, zvinokupfuura. Kusvikira chimwe chinhu chakaitika uye iwe unogona "kufamba". Iwe unozotenderwa muThailand kusvika imwe ziviso ...
Nezve vanhu vakura: unoita sekunge munhu wese akura angade kugara mumusha wemudyandigere…. Ndizvo chaizvo zvinosiyana nemutemo...
Asi kana ikava musha wevakwegura, zvinhu zvose zvinosiyana. Hatingashuvire izvozvo kune ani zvake. Kuchengeta munhu ane dementia hakusi kwemunhu wese. Asi chero zvakadaro, haisi sarudzo yakasununguka kuve nedementia.
MuThailand, ambuya uye/kana sekuru vanowanzogara nevana vavo uye ndinogona kukuudza kuti izvi hazviwanzo kufarirwa muNetherlands. Zvinobatsira mupfungwa yokuti vanasekuru vanogona kutarisira vaduku nyore nyore.
Zvakajairika kuti ambuya nasekuru vagare nevana muThailand, asi muNetherlands tinoiona sehurombo.
Uye isu hatigone kutaura nezve mari nekucheka mabhenefiti. Kazhinji zvakanaka kuti kucheka kunoitwa uye dzimwe nguva zvinoshungurudza, asi vanhu vazhinji vakawana mhinduro yeizvi. Ndichazvisiya izvozvi.
Svondo rapfuura ndakagamuchira kushamisika kwakaipisisa kwehupenyu hwangu kubva kuSVB ...
NB mavhiki maviri mushure mekubhadhara kwangu kwekutanga kweAOW.
Ndichangobva kutendeuka 3 65 mwedzi yapfuura.
Mazwi mashanu ekutanga: Watamira kuThailand ………
Uyezve zvakawanda zvekufungidzira zvisina maturo !!
Iwe unoshamisika kuti vanhu varikutarisisa kupi kuti vabvise zvakanyanya sezvinobvira kubva kune vakasiya basa zvachose !! Zvavakashandira hupenyu hwavo hwese.
Nokuti zvino murume akazorora anofanira kudzokera kundorwira kodzero dzake.
Chirevo chakaipisisa: "Changamire, munogara kwenguva refu muTH kupfuura muNL gore rega rega. !!
HAUCHINE zvido zvehupfumi muNetherlands.
Mutemo wemwedzi misere/mwedzi mina wakanga usisina basa kwandiri.
NDINOITA SEI NEZVINHU ZVINHU ZVAKAWANDA??
Uye zvino zvinouya:
Nekuti iwe unogara muT, iwe hausisiri inishuwarenzi pasi peDutch Health Insurance Act !!
Pandakabvunza zvakananga GBA yekanzuru yangu kuti ndakanga ndatamira kuTh, vakuru vakuru vakapotsa vadonha pazvigaro zvavo.
Ndinoda kunzwa zvimwe zviitiko uye mazano kuburikidza ne blog ino. Uye ……Ndiani mupi wemazano akakodzera mune izvi.
Vanofanira kuzokwanisa kupinda mukukonana neSVB vakagadzirira.
Ndakashanda nesimba hupenyu hwangu hwese uye ndinoda chaizvo kurarama hupenyu hwangu nenzira yangu uye kwandinoda.
Uyezve ndinoda kupedza mwedzi mina pagore nevana vangu vatatu nevazukuru vatatu.
Zvakanaka chaizvo.
Zvinorwadza zvikuru John,
Ndinoziva zvishoma nezve hurongwa maererano neAOW nepenjeni, asi ndanga ndichigamuchira zvese kubva muna Mbudzi gore rapfuura......
Mitemo mitemo. Kana kuti unoda kuti pasave nemitemo...
Uye kana ruzivo rwaunogamuchira rwakarurama, saka rwakarurama ... Icho chiri pamusoro pekutsanangurwa kwemitemo uye iwe unogona kunyatsotarisa pairi.
Iwe hauchadi kuziva mitemo yese yeNetherlands, asi iwe unotarisirwa kukwanisa kuziva mutemo. Saka unokumbirwa kuita chiito kana uchitenda kuti mutemo uri kushandiswa zvisiri izvo kumunhu wako.
Asi sezviri pachena iwe unoda kuziva kubva kune "amateurs" zviri kuitika. Ini ndinokupa zano kubva pachinzvimbo chako (Thailand) kuti ubatane nenzvimbo yekuraira mazano.
Zvinogara zvichindirova ndezvekuti avo vanotsoropodza Netherlands nenzira iyi vanongosiya kana vasiya basa, uye vashoma vane ushingi hwekusiya zvachose kare.
Ini ndinofunga ndezvechokwadi uye ndinoshuvira nemoyo wese kuti munhu wese ade kupedza kuchembera kwavo muThailand, mamiriro ekunze akasiyana, nezvimwewo, asi ini handinzwisise kuti sei avo vakamirira kwenguva yakareba kuti vaende uye vanoda kugara muNetherlands nguva yese iyoyo. mu 'doom nerima' kusvikira vasvika zera remudyandigere, saka shinga zvakakwana kuti utore zvinhu zvako nekukurumidza, kana zvinogona kugumiswa kuti zvinhu hazvina kushata muNetherlands nekuchengetedzeka kwavo munharaunda.
Kune kunyange vakadzi vechiThai vanoenda kuNetherlands zvachose vakasiya nyika yavo kuti varambe vachigara muNetherlands, kunyange zvazvo vachivafadza, vanogara vaine nguva yakanaka kunyange zvazvo vakasiya 'paradhiso' shure kwavo ... Kunze kweizvozvo, munyika yakaora yakadaro Kana mudiwa wako asingararami, ipapo iwe unobva wapisa zvikepe zvako zveDutch shure kwako kuti ugare naye muThai nirvana.
Ndinoziva kuti Dutch welfare sosaiti iri kuchemerwa uye kuti pane zvimwe zvinhu zvisirizvo, asi zvese mune zvese inzvimbo yakanaka kuva munyika diki iyoyo, ndosaka ndichienda ndichienda kwemwedzi mitanhatu, muchidimbu. , kunakidzwa neakanakisa e2 nyika dzakasiyana, zvese ndinoda nyika, ndiri munhu anogutsikana.
Wagona kutaura.
Kusiyana-siyana (kuburikidza nekugara kwenguva pfupi munzvimbo dzinopisa) zvakanaka kwazvo ... Ipapo iwe unodzidzawo kuonga Netherlands. Ikozvino ndohumbozha.
@Changamire Charles, muri kutarisisa zvinhu zvakati wandei nemhinduro yenyu, uye ndezvekuti havasi vese vanokwanisa kubva nekukurumidza, kwete nemari kana nekuda kwezvimwe zvisungo.
Kune mumwe munhu chimedu chekeke kuenda kune imwe nyika, kune mumwe kune misungo yakawanda, semuenzaniso vana nevazukuru, zvokuti vanofanira kusiya shure.
Kana ndikataura ini pachangu, chizvarwa chandiri uye icho zvino chinotaura pamusoro peNetherlands, ndichowo chizvarwa chinoziva kuti chaiva chii munguva yakapfuura muNetherlands, uye vazhinji havana kumbofunga nezvekumbobva kuNetherlands.
Asi pandinosvika zera rokurega basa remakore 65 mumakore mashomanene pashure poupenyu hwokushanda zvakaoma, ndinoda kuva nokukwanisa kufarikanya kuchembera kusina hanya nomudzimai wangu.
Ini ndakaberekerwa uye ndakakurira muRotterdam (kumaodzanyemba) kwayaigara iri nzvimbo yakanaka kwazvo kuva, kusvika anenge makore makumi maviri apfuura, iye zvino chikamu chemhosva zvikuru cheNetherlands, kwandinogara kune ugororo kana umbavha zuva rega rega, zuva rega rega. mwedzi kupfura chiitiko uye zvichingodaro.
Ini zvechokwadi handina kumbobvira ndafunga kuti zvese zvaizoita sezvazvinoita, Netherlands haisisiri yangu Netherlands.
"Chinogara chichindirwadza ndechekuti avo vanoshoropodza Netherlands nenzira iyi vanongoenda kana vaenda pamudyandigere, uye vashoma vane ushingi hwekuenda zvachose."
Maererano nenhamba, vanhu vazhinji vanotama vachisvika makore makumi maviri. Mutemo wechigunwe ndewekuti vanopfuura hafu kana 20/2 yevanotama vanodzoka gare gare. Mutemo unoshanda kune vanhu vakaberekerwa kunze kweNetherlands vanouya kuNetherlands pamwe chete nevanhu vakaberekerwa muNetherlands vanobva. Hatizivi zvakadzama sei, chii, sei, nekuti isu muNetherlands hatichengete chero chinhu pagedhi "kunze" ... chaivo vanoenda kune dzimwe nyika, nepo Netherlands inotama kana iwe ukaenda kweanopfuura mwedzi 3). Uye zvinosuruvarisa kwete zvachose nezvekutamira kuThailand, iyo, sedzimwe nyika (Spain, nezvimwewo), inozivikanwa senzvimbo yakakurumbira yevakwegura pakati pevaya vanotama.
Ona:
- http://www.flipvandyke.nl/2013/02/loopt-nederland-leeg-record-emigratie/
- http://www.flipvandyke.nl/2012/08/hoe-oud-zijn-migranten-tevens-de-nieuwste-migratiecijfers/
Ndinoda kuona manhamba akadai zvakadzama kuti ndione kuti sei, chii, nei, saizi, nguva, retrospective, nezvimwewo uye edza kunzwisisa kutama mune zvese zvikamu: kutama, kutama, kutama-tama nezvimwe.
Pakupedzisira, mubvunzo ndewokuti ndiani waunofunga kuti "mutorwa". Somuenzaniso, kana nyika imwe neimwe yaifanira kuomerera kune tsanangudzo yeDutch (kugara kwemwedzi inopfuura 8 kunze kweNetherlands = kutama. Mumwe munhu anoenda kunogara & kudzidza kuGermany kwegore saka atova mutorwa). Kuonekwa kubva kuNetherlands, munhu wechiDutch haambofi akatamira kune imwe nyika, uye muThai angave ari mutorwa kubva kuThailand, nepo Netherlands inoona vanhu vanogara muNetherlands kwemwedzi inopfuura 3 sevatorwa. Mudiwa weThai anobva abva kune imwe nyika maererano nemaonero echiDutch, asi kwete mutorwa kubva pamaonero eThailand. Munhu wechiDutch aizova mutorwa muThailand, asi kwete mutorwa kubva kuNetherlands maonero. Kunyange kana iwe waizokwevera mutsara wepasi rose uye uiswededze zvakafanana kune vanoenda kune dzimwe nyika uye kutamira kune dzimwe nyika (funga, somuenzaniso, "kubva kune dzimwe nyika kune zvakawanda. kupfuura mwedzi mitanhatu is emigration , kugara kweinopfuura mwedzi mitanhatu is immigration”), vaviri vakadai saka havangambove vabvakure/vanobva kune dzimwe nyika. Vose vanofanira kuzviona se“vaenzi venguva refu” here?
Pakutaura uye mune tsananguro hapana mubvunzo kuti uchave wakarurama, asi kana tikanongedzera kuThailand uye ndizvo zviri kubhurogu rino, hazvirambike zvakare kuti kana vanhu vadanana nerunako rweThai, vazhinji vakatapukirwa ne- so- inonzi 'Thailand virus' .
Hutachiona uhwo hunenge hwese hune chekuita neNetherlands hunonyeverwa, kune rumwe rutivi, zvinenge zvese zvine chekuita neThailand zvine chinangwa.
Zviripachena zvakare kuti ruzhinji rwevanofarira veThailand vapfuura makore makumi maviri uye, chokwadi, vakatosangana naAbrahama uye vari pakati pavo.
Iniwo ndinonyatsoziva kuti hazvisi nyore kunhonga zvimedu nekusiya nguva isati yakwana, ini handidi kuzvibata, asi ngatirege kugunun'una nekugunun'una kudaro, zvingave zvakanyanya kuipa dai chikara chedu chaive kune imwe nzvimbo.
Wadiwa Rob V, maererano neforamu iyi, ndeye manzwiro ekuzvidemba kana kugutsikana kana kusuwa kumba maererano neTH. Kwete nekuda kweiyo yakafanana denominator maererano nekutama kubva kuNetherlands. Semazuva ese, izvo zvinobva zvaita kuti nyaya yacho ive huruva uye isingafadze. Zviri pamusoro pekuti 'vanhu' vanoona sei nyika yavo itsva yekugara: Gringo anotaura nhamba huru yezvinhu zvehurukuro. Zvingave zvakanaka kana iwe ukatizivisa kubva kune yako 'Hague armchair' maonero aunoita zvinhu izvozvo, uye kana usingakwanise, ingozembera mumaonero nemaonero eanorega basa. Hapana chakaipa!
@Sir Charles: "Zviri pachena zvakare kuti ruzhinji rwevanofarira Thailand vapfuura makore makumi maviri, vakatosangana naAbraham, uye vari pakati pavo."
Zvinosuruvarisa, isu hatina nhamba chaidzo pamusoro pazvo. Inogamuchirwa kazhinji, asi ini handikwanise kuziva kuti inoshanda sei. Ini handikwanise kupfuudza meseji kubva kuCBS:
“Muna 2009, munhu mumwe chete pavashanu vakatamira kunyika iyi aiva nemakore 50 kana kupfuura. Vanopfuura zviuru zvishanu vakwegura vakatama vakanyanya kuenda kunyika dzekumaodzanyemba kweEurope dzakadai seFrance neSpain. Vakatamira kuPortugal neThailand vaivewo vanopfuura makore makumi mashanu. Zvisinei, idzi dzakanga dziri nhamba duku. "source: http://www.cbs.nl/nl-NL/menu/themas/bevolking/publicaties/artikelen/archief/2010/2010-3080-wm.htm
Uye: “Sezvakaita muna 2011, pachiyero vangangosvika zviuru 1,5 vanhu veko vakaenda kuBelgium kana Germany, uyezve 1,5 XNUMX kunyika dzechinyakare dzekutama. Kunyangwe hazvo chiyero chekutama nenyika dziri kumaodzanyemba kweEurope hachisati chavepo, semakore apfuura, vanhu vazhinji vakatamira mupenjeni vakaenda kunyika idzi. France neThailand dzaifarirwawo neboka iri.”
Kunobva: http://www.cbs.nl/nl-NL/menu/themas/bevolking/publicaties/artikelen/archief/2013/2013-007-pb.htm
Saka mubvunzo ndewekuti chii kugoverwa kwevanotamira kuThailand? Ndeapi mamiriro ezvinhu avane (yekuzvarwa, Thai, zvimwe)? Izera ripi? Chinangwa chei chekutama? Ivo vanotama kwenguva yakareba sei (chii chinonzi migration chiyero chevagari vemo, Thai, zvimwe)?
Ini ndinongowana matafura maviri asi haape kujeka kwandiri kutsvaga:
- Migration; nyika yakabva
- Kutamira kune dzimwe nyika uye kutamira kune dzimwe nyika nenyika yekuzvarwa, makore uye hutano
@Soi: Haha, ine guruva uye isingafadzi? Chero ivo vakaunzwa zviri pamutemo, semuenzaniso, mashoma magirafu kana mabhawa machati, iwo manhamba anoita seanovhenekera uye anokwanisa kuisa zvinhu mumaonero ari nani. Kana iwe uchiziva kuti vangani vanhu vakwegura vanotamira kuThailand uye kuti vanogara kwenguva yakareba sei, unogona kusiyanisa izvozvo nemanzwiro ekusuwa kumusha uye kugutsikana. Vangani vanhu (vakwegura) vanozvidemba nezvekutama kwavo uye kudzokera kuNetherlands? Vangani vaThai vanodzokera kuThailand? Vangani Thais vakazodzokera kuNetherlands mushure mekutanga kutamira kuThailand?
Tsananguro dzakapihwa muongororo dzinoenderana here nezvinoratidzwa nenhamba dzekutama? Tsvakurudzo iyi iratidziro yechokwadi yevakatama here? Semuenzaniso, kana vangangove vanhu vakura chete vakapinda muongororo, nepo "chete" ruzhinji rune hanya nevanhu vakura, saka ichi chinhu chakakosha nuance.
Ndiri kurongawo kutamira ikoko neThai yangu, asi zvichatora mamwe makore gumi uye ndiani anoziva mafambiro achaita zvinhu. Zvikonzero zvikuru zvinosanganisira mamiriro ekunze, mitengo yakaderera (kana iwe uchida kudya pazvitoro nezvimwewo), rusununguko. Haisi paradhiso, kana Netherlands. Chaizvoizvo, Netherlands inyika yakanakawo, yakangonyorova uye inotonhora uye dzimwe nguva ine mitemo yakawandisa. Thailand dzimwe nguva inopisa zvakanyanya uye ine mitemo mishoma yakawandisa (kana kusateererwa nayo). Asi ndiani anoziva, tinogona kubva kare kana kuenda kune imwe nyika yechitatu. Ndinofunga tichavawo nenguva yakanaka kuSpain.
Handina kudzidza sainzi chaidzo, mudiwa Rob, asi ndakazvionera pachangu makore apfuura.Zvisinei, ndichiri kufungidzira kuti ruzhinji rwevanofarira Thailand vane makore anopfuura makumi mashanu uye navo ndinoreva avo vanogara vachishanyira Thailand. / pazororo, saka kwete mutorwa, rimwe gore rimwe nerimwe kwe50 kusvika kumavhiki e3 kana chikamu changu makore ose e4, imwe 2 kusvika ku2 nguva pagore, kune zvakasiyana-siyana gradations uye marudzi ose ezvikonzero zveizvi.
Icho chiri chinangwa changu kusasimbisa rusaruro kuti mudiwa weThailand 'ane tsvina harahwa', ndine michinjikwa mishanu kuseri kwezita rangu, sekutaura, uye ngatitarisei, nhamba hadzitauri zvese, munhu ane makore makumi mana nemapfumbamwe. old haasati ambokwazisana naAbrahama, asi kuti zvimuitire nyore anogona kuverengwa seane makore makumi mashanu.
Kuomerera kune musoro wenyaya iyi, vashoma vanhu veDutch kunze kwenyika vane chero kuzvidemba.
Nekuda kwezera iro, izvi zvinoshandawo zvine chokwadi kune avo vakagara ipapo, mutorwa anogara mumusha wePattaya, mumusha uri muIsan, mune rimwe remataundi epurovhinzi kana chero kumwe kuThailand, ivo vanenge. vose vakarega basa.kunze kweayo apo neapo mudzidzisi weChirungu kana murairidzi wekudhibha.
Ndatenda Sir Charles, ndinogona kubvumirana nazvo. Kunyange zvazvo ndinoramba ndichida kuziva nezvehuwandu (vari 60-70-80% vakwegura here? Vanogara muTH rinenge gore rose kana kuti inofanana nemwedzi mitanhatu kubva uye kure? Etc.). Zvakare kudzidza kwakadai seGringo kunounza kwauri kutarisa pano, asi neruzivo rwakawanda nezveThailand chaizvo.
Pakutanga ndakafunga: zano rakanaka rekuvhota, asi izvo zvichange zvakaoma. Iwe unofanirwa kukwanisa kupa akawanda sarudzo kumibvunzo senge "chii chaunonyanya kufarira / zvishoma nezveThailand / Netherlands?" uye haina kubatanidzwa nehurefu hwekugara kana zera. Saka peji rewebhu rekuongorora raizodikanwa kune izvozvo.
Ndinobvuma, ndinogona kunge ndichibvunza mibvunzo yakawanda uye mhinduro. Ini ndiri munhu anoomerera pane izvo uye hapana chandakanzwa kunze kwehupenzi munhau nezvezvinhu zvine chekuita nekutama, izvo zvinongoita kuti ndibvunze mimwe mibvunzo.
Parizvino maitiro angu, chok dee! 🙂 Ndinofarira nyika mbiri,
Thailand yakanga isiri sarudzo yangu yekutanga kugara. Yakanga iri yechipiri yangu. Asi pandakabvumirwa kurega kushanda ndichiri muduku (izvo zvaireva mari shoma), chinhu chimwe chaiva chechokwadi: Handizogari muNetherlands rimwe zuva. Kwese kwazvaizoenda. Kure kubva kuNetherlands.
Uye Netherlands yakandiunzira chii pandakagara ikoko? Ndakawana mabhenefiti akawanda emunzanga here? Kanganwa nezvazvo. HAPANA.
Ndaishanda kuLufthansa. Ndakanga ndiri mushandi wendege uye ndakabhururuka kunzvimbo dzakawanda pasi rose. Muhoro wangu wakaiswa muakaundi yangu kuGermany. Ndakabhadhara mutero kuGermany. Ndakatenga imba kuNetherlands. Unoziva here zvandakakwanisa kubvisa mumitero muNetherlands (pasinei neEC)? HAPANA.
Ndaifanira kuzadza mafomu angu emitero ehurumende dzeDutch neGermany gore negore. MuNetherlands mune chirongwa chekudzivirira mutero wakapetwa kaviri. Gore roga roga mumakore ekupedzisira e20 ndaifanira kudana nekunyora zvakare, nokuti - kunyange zvazvo ndakaizadza ZVINOGONA - ndakagamuchira mutero wemutero wezviuru zvishoma zveEuro.
Pandaida kuisa vana vangu munzvimbo inogara vana, ndaifanira kubhadhara mari yakawanda zvikuru.
Mumwe muvakidzani wangu aigara muimba yokurenda uye akanga asina kushanda kwemakore akawanda, aiva nemari yaikwana kuva nomudhudhudhu mukuru nemotokari uye mwanasikana wake vaigona kuita zvidzidzo zvokuchovha. Muripo wangu wakapera kupera kwemwedzi. Nokuti mumagariro evanhu veNetherlands aigona kubvisa zvose, kugamuchira zvipo, rubatsiro pano neapo. Ndichiri kure nemhuri yangu kwemazuva, ndine muhoro waive wakapetwa kaviri kana kupfuura wemuhoro wake, waisakwanisa kubata nemitengo.
Uye pandakarega kushanda, ndaiva nekariro yokuti mari yangu yeGermany yaizobhadhariswa mutero wakatowanda muNetherlands. Penjeni yangu gare gare zvakare.
Imba yangu yakanga yakaputsika kwemakore, vana vangu, avo vakatambura zvikuru kubva kumuchato iwoyo wakaputsika, vakasiya: mumwe kunyika yaamai vake Brazil, mumwe akagara muNetherlands uye akaita chinhu chakanaka chete: akakwanisa kushandisa Dutch social system. - kwandakanga ndiri benzi pane izvozvo.
Uye ndakasangana nemusikana wangu wazvino kuHua Hin pazororo rangu, gore ndisati ndamira kushanda.
Iye zvino ndinogara naye pano. Handisisina chekuita neNetherlands, kunze kwekunetseka kuti ndichiri kubhadhara imba yangu. Ichi, vabereki vangu neThailand blog, ndicho chete chinhu chichiri kundibatanidza
neNetherlands (ndine urombo kana ndisingataure nezveshamwari shoma).
Saka chii chinondichengeta munyika yakaita seNetherlands, iyo "isina kundipa" chinhu, zvachose hapana?
Chinhu chimwe chete chakasununguka muNetherlands izuva uye izvi hazviwanzoitiki. Vari kukudzingirirai kwese kuti vakube mari. Kwese kwaunofanirwa kuita zvinhu zvaimboitwa kwauri uye zvawakabhadhara. Zvinopenga kuti muNetherlands unofanirwa kupedza maawa pamapepa emitero (muGermany zvakare) kugadzirisa izvo zvaisafanirwa kunge zvakaitwa pakutanga. Uye ucharipiswa kana ukasazviita. Kuti iwe unowana faindi huru dzekutyaira nenzira isiri iyo. Kuti iwe unoda mvumo kune zvese uye chero chinhu. Kuti iwe unova amai uye haugone kusarudza chero chinhu iwe pachako.
Kuti unozadzwa nokushambadzira zvokuti unonzwa uchisungirwa kutenga foni itsva kana kuti motokari itsva gore negore kana kuti mwedzi mishomanene yoga yoga. Kuti unotoda mvumo yekuchera gomba mugadheni rako wega kana kudyara muti.
Iko kupindira uye mirau muNetherlands inoseka. Asi zvichida zvakakodzera nemhaka yenhamba huru yevanhu vanofanira kugara pamwe chete munzvimbo duku imwe chete?
Kwandinogara ndine vavakidzani vashoma. Minda yakawanda yakanaka yakatitenderedza, mhuka dzichiri kugona kumhanya mhanya. Ndichiri kunyora, pane gecko pane yangu yekutarisa, ndichiona chitubu chePC nguva dzese. Iwe unofanirwa kuzviona, musoro wake unoenda neshure pese apo chituko chapfuura paari. Izvo zvatova zvinoshamisa, handizvo here? Ini handina kunyanya kundimanikidza muno muThailand. Chero bedzi ndinogona kuisa mari yangu yandakawana kubva kuGermany muakaundi yangu ndogara nayo. Ini handina mari yekushandisa uye ndinonzwa semurume ane rombo rakanaka pasirese. Vanhu vakanaka pano, vanonyemwerera. Hapana anoedza kuva nani kupfuura ini uye anondiudza kuti zvinhu zvinofanira kuitwa sei, nokuti iniwo ndinogara kure nevamwe vatorwa sezvinobvira. Chikafu chinonaka zvinonaka pano. Uye kana usingadi kubika, haufaniri kushandisa mari yakawanda kuti udye kune imwe nzvimbo.
Ini handina mota, asi mudhudhudhu une ngoro yepadivi, ingangove yakarambidzwa muNetherlands. Tichashandisa izvi kuita "makuru" kutenga. Uye kana ndichida kutenga chimwe chinhu kuBig Kiang muHua Hin, vanouya nacho kumba nekukurumidza kupfuura zvandinokwanisa kusvika kumba ini. Kana kuti pandinenge ndichida jecha kuti ndivake dziva rangu rekutuhwina... raira uye richange riri pamba pangu papera awa. MuNetherlands? Hongu, Chipiri chinotevera mutyairi achange akananga kwatiri. Kana ndoda kumboswera pamba. Uye cubic mita yejecha? Aiwa, izvozvo zvishoma. Izvi zvinodhura imwezve 50 Euro call-out mutengo.
Uye ndaigona kuenderera mberi. Chaizvoizvo, ini handidi kumira, nekuti pandiri kunyora ndiri kunakidzwa neiyo Gecko, iyo yakamirira chitunha nguva dzese. Anga atoita zvekutaura dzimwe nguva…. asi izvo hazvina kufamba zvakanaka ...
Ivai ne weekend yakanaka mose....
Mhoro Sjaak
Ndakaverenga nyaya yako. Chinhu chimwe chiri pachena ... mamiriro ako haana kunyanya kumiririra. Aya ndiwo mawaniro awakaita mari yako kuGermany uye kubhadhara mutero wako kuGermany. Izvozvo pachazvo hazvina basa kwandiri. Asi iwe haufaniri kutarisira kuti iwe unogona kuzvienzanisa nemunhu wechiDutch anogara uye anoshanda muNetherlands uye anobhadhara mutero ikoko. Ipapo iwe zvakare hauna kukodzera zvirongwa zvakaita serubatsiro (izvo zvaunonyora nezvazvo). Waifanira kunge wakaziva zvese izvozvo pachine nguva. Asi ini ndinotarisira kuti wakagamuchira muhoro wakanaka uye zvichibva pane tarisiro iyoyo ndinofungidzirawo kuti wakakwanisa kuibhadhara yese.
Kwaziwai Jan
Wadiwa Jan,
Zvechokwadi ndakanga ndisiri mumiririri wehuwandu hwehuwandu hwechiDutch. Asi iwe hauzive kuti vangani vanhu vechiDutch vanoshanda kunze kwenyika.
Handifaniri kubatwa zvakafanana here? Saka nei ndichifanira kubhadhara mutero kuGermany, asi ndisina kwekubhadhara mubereko wemba yangu yemba? Ini ndaisada mabhenefiti akapetwa kaviri, asi mabhenefiti akafanana anewo mumwe munhu. Saka EC yaive yei?
Ndaifanira kubhadhara mari dzekunze muGermany pandaitenga zvinhu kunze kwenyika, ini ndichigara kuNetherlands. Ipapo vaifanira kundirega ndichiita izvi muNetherlands. Ipapo kamwe kamwe yakanga yakabatana Europe uye zvaigoneka. Asi kana zvasvika pakuti ndakanga ndine mukana, yakanga iri mhosva yangu, ndaifanira kungoshanda muNetherlands.
Uye kana ndikaramba ndichigara muNetherlands, ndaizofanira kubhadhara mutero pamari yangu (kwete ikozvino, asi gare gare mushure mekurega kwangu chaiko), apo ndakanga ndatoita izvi muGermany. Chii zvino chasara cheEurope iyoyo yakabatana?
Ndakanga ndisingadi rubatsiro, asi ndakafunga kuti zvakanga zvisina musoro kuti ndibatsire kubhadhara vamwe munharaunda iyoyo, asi ndisina kumbowana rubatsiro.
Handina kuwana muhoro wakanaka, NDAKATADZERWA nazvo. NDAKASHANDIRA izvozvo. Hapana akandipa chipo. Uye ndaigara muNetherlands!
Chinhu chinosekesa zvakare nekuwedzera kwepenjeni yako. Inoti unofanira kunge wakagara kana kushanda muNetherlands kwemakore akawanda kudaro. Zvakanaka ndagara muNetherlands kwemakore makumi maviri nematatu apfuura. Asi hapana chandinowana. Zvichida mataurirwo angu aita zvishoma kuGermany mumakore achangopfuura, asi Dutch yangu yakanaka kwazvo. Kana mutsara uine izwi rekuti “kana” zvinoreva kuti pane sarudzo. Asi mutsara uyu "unoreva" unofanira kunge wakagara UYE wakashanda ipapo. Saka hapana chandakavaka. Kwete kuti pane chandaitarisira.
Zvakadaro. Unotoziva kubva munhoroondo kuti hurumende dzinoumbwa nematsotsi ari pamutemo. Uye "social" system inochengetedzwa, iyo iyo iwe wakapfuma, zvakanyanya kutorwa kubva kwauri. Ichi ndicho chimwe chezvikonzerowo zvinoita kuti ndifare kuva kure nenyika iyoyo. Semuenzaniso, kana ukawana 1000 euros, 5% inobviswa pamuhoro wako, asi kana ukawana 1000.000, 50% ichabviswa. Zvakanaka, maererano nekuverenga kwangu kweupenzi, 5% ye1000 Euro i50 Euro. Uye kana iwe ukabvisawo 1000000% kubva kune mumwe munhu anowana 5, iwe unowana 5000 Euro. Sei munhu iyeye achifanira kubhadhara 250.000? Zvingave nani kuhurumende, asi kumunhu chirango kutanga kuwana zvakanaka. Uye kuti ukwanise kuwana iyo 50%, haufanirwe kana kuwana yakawanda kudaro.
Ndinoziva, iyi mienzaniso iri nyore. Ndinoziva zvakare kuti ndinozviona zvese zviri nyore. Asi ndihwo hupenyu muNetherlands. Hupenyu hwakaoma, kwaunobatwa kana uine mari iri nani, kwaunogara, kwaunomanikidzwa kuita mabasa aimboitirwa nehurumende…. etc… Ndakambonyora izvozvo…
Ndiri kufara kuti ndine mhedziso yemari yangu uye zviwanikwa muThailand. The pressure on me yanga yabviswa for the time being. Kuti system iyoyo irinani yakasiiwa yakashama. Asi ini handifanire kushandira vanhu vane usimbe pazviri. Izvo zvinoenderana newe pano. Kuti unoda kubatsira here kuchengeta mwana wamai vemusikana wako simbe zviri kwauri. Hapana hurumende inoita izvozvo. Uye kana ukapa vakuwasha vako madekwana oupenyu ari nani kunotsamirawo kupfuma yako umene. Ivo zvakare havana kudzingwa kuenda kumusha wekuzorora uye - kunyangwe urombo - kazhinji vanogona kutungamira hupenyu hune chiremera kupfuura muNetherlands ....
Anodiwa Sjaak, pamwe plaster pachironda: kana wakagara muNetherlands kwemakore makumi maviri nematatu, unowana 23 x 23% AOW. Isu tese takazvibhadharira, kusanganisira iwe pawaigara muNetherlands, saka uchiri kuwana chimwe chinhu.
Iwe unoti muhoro wako wakambopinda mubhangi kuGermany uye kuti wakabhadhara mutero muDE. Ramba uchifunga kuti ungadai wakaunganidza penjeni kuDE, kana Lufthansa ine chirongwa cheizvi, uye kuti waizokwanisa kubvisa mari yembavha muDE kana wakatengawo imba kuDE. Ungatora sei kuderedzwa muNetherlands pamitero yausingabhadhari kuNetherlands? Hauna kuvaka poto yemutero muNetherlands kwaifanirwa kunge kubviswa ikoko, wadaro?
Zvakanaka, ndiani ane hanya zvino. Iwe uri munzvimbo yakanaka kuTH, urikunakidzwa nazvo, zvichengetedze zvakadaro, nyora nyaya kana dziva rako ragadzirira, uye unakirwe nezvaunazvo izvozvi uye TH inokupa!
Tsananguro yemuenzaniso weexpat (zera, kuva nevana, kuva nebasa) inoratidza kuti izvi zvinonyanya kunetseka nevanoenda kunze kwenyika vanoshanda munyika yavo itsva. Kazhinji, izvi zvine chekuita nevatungamiriri vakadzidza zvakanyanya vakatumirwa uye vakatsigirwa nekambani yavo yeDutch kune iyo nyika itsva. Vazhinji vavo vanongovepo kwenguva pfupi uye havadi kana kuronga kugara munyika iyoyo zvachose. Uye chii chinonyanya kukosha: vatungamiri ava vanonakidzwa nemamiriro ezvinhu akanaka ekushanda uye havana chekunyunyuta pamusoro pemari. (Dutch social security, muhoro muEuro, chikoro, imba, mota, mutyairi uye murandakadzi anobhadharwa nemushandirwi).
Kazhinji, kune marudzi matatu ezvikonzero nei vanhu vachitamira kune imwe nyika:
a. zvinhu zvine chekuita neexpat pachake, senge basa, zera, dzidzo, asiwo maitiro, kukurudzira uye zvaunofarira (kune vamwe vanhu Thailand yakanaka uye inodziya, kune vamwe inopisa zvakanyanya)
b. zvinhu zvine chokuita nenyika imwe iri kuenda kune: mamiriro ekunze, mari yekurarama, kugadzikana kwezvematongerwo enyika, zvivakoti, mabasa evanhu, hutano hwehutano, vakadzi vakanaka, visa nyore, kukwanisa kushanda;
c. zvinhu zvine chekuita nemamiriro emunhu: munhu haafungi nezvekutamira kuThailand kusvika awana rudo rwehupenyu hwake ikoko.
Zvimwe zvinhu zvinogona kupesvedzerwa nehurumende uye nekudaro zvinogona kukanganisa huwandu hwevanobuda kunze. Kugadzirisa zvinhu zvinokonzeresa expat kuzvidemba zvinogona kureva kuti vanobudirira mubasa ravo uye vanogara kwenguva refu.
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