A katoey: kana nyama kana hove!
Katoeys kana ladyboys kazhinji vari munhau zvisina kunaka uye - ngative vakatendeseka - havawanzo kubuda zvakanaka pane ino blog futi. Oo, ini ndinotora chikamu mairi, munoziva, ndichiita majee uye majee pamusoro pevanhu ivavo, asi ndinobvumawo kuti handisi kunzwisisa maitiro avo ekuita nekufunga.
Iyo Bangkok Post nguva pfupi yadarika yakaita hurukuro nemudzidzi wekatoey uye ndakafunga kuti yaive chinyorwa chakanaka. Kwete kuti ndava kunzwisisa zvinhu zvose iye zvino, asi ndawana kunzwisisa zvishoma. Naizvozvo ndakaishandura nemufaro kuThailandblog (dzimwe nguva zvakati sununguka). Musoro wenyaya iyi unobva kuBangkok Post:
“Inguva yekupedza zvidzidzo uye yekupedza zvidzidzo uye pamhemberero iyoyo, yakaitwa paThammasat University, maziso ese akange ari pakuita kwaBaramee Phanich. Uyu mudzidzi wechirume wesocial science akaita misoro yenhau nekukumbira mvumo kubva kuyunivhesiti yekupfeka zvipfeko zvechikadzi zvemhemberero. Akaramba kuonekwa semurume kuitira kuti anyenyeredze nyaya yevakadzi.
Baramee, anozivikanwa zviri nani nezita remadunhurirwa rekuti Denjan, ave mutambi wenhau uye akaonekwa paterevhizheni dzakawanda. Zvisineyi, nyaya yake inopfuura yekungoyemurika pamusoro pepamusoro: thesis yake yaakapedza kudzidza yaive ye "cross-dressing" uye maitiro enharaunda pachiitiko ichi. Sarudzo yake yekutoshandisa chitupa chekurapa kuti itsigire chikumbiro chake kuyunivhesiti chakonzera kupesana uye kuratidzira kubva kune vamwe vamiriri veLGBT.
Manheru ezuva rake guru, tinotaura naBaramee, angangove ndiye akapedza kudzidza ane mifananidzo zvikuru pagore.
Hupenyu hwako hwakachinja zvakanyanya kubva pakatanga kuzivikanwa nyaya yacho here?
Iye zvino ndava kunyatsozivikanwa munyika yezvidzidzo. Tsanangudzo yandakanyora yaita gakava uye yakonzera gakava guru pakati penyanzvi. Vamwe vanhu vekubasa vakandiziva kubva pazvinoratidzwa paterevhizheni, asi hapana zvakawanda zvachinja munzvimbo iyoyo. Shanduko yakakosha chete ndeyekuti ndave kuonekwa semukurukuri anotaura pfungwa dzangu nemaonero angu. Ndakabvunzurudzwa nemapepanhau akawanda nemagazini uye izvo zvakandipa mukana wekuparadzira pfungwa dzangu.
Sei wakasarudza kunyora thesis nezve transgender zvipfeko zvekupedza kudzidza?
Ndaida kugadzira chimwe chinhu chaigona kunyatso shandiswa kwete kungoita thesis yaizonyangarika mubookcase somewhere. Mapurofesa wangu uye chipangamazano akandikurudzira kuti ndiongorore nyaya iyi zvakadzama. Ndine rombo zvakare kuti ndakadzidza paThammasat, iyo yunivhesiti yekutanga mairi Tairendi yevadzidzi vemutemo uye vadzidzi vemutemo.
Tiudze zvimwe nezve zviri muthesis yako.
Nezve thesis yangu, ndakabvunzurudza vamwe vanhu vakakosha, kusanganisira Nok Yollade (yekutanga transsexual kupfeka hembe dzechikadzi pakupedza kudzidza), mapurofesa akati wandei ezvemagariro evanhu, chiremba wepfungwa dzangu, uye mutevedzeri wemukuru wenyaya dzevadzidzi paThammasat University. Mimwe yemisoro yandinotaura ndeye hwaro hwerusununguko nekodzero, dzidziso dzezviratidzo munzanga nemhando dzakasiyana dzezvitupa muvarume vakasiyana.
Iwe unobata sei nemashoko asina kunaka uye vanhu vasingabvumirani newe?
Hazvigoneki kuti munhu wese abvumirane neni. Kune mamiriyoni evanhu vane mamiriyoni emafungiro. Izvo zvinopa ruvara kuhupenyu kana zvikasadaro nyika ingangove chinhu chinofinha.
Asi ini ndinoramba kuva nyajambwa wehondo "yepfungwa". Vamwe vakadzi vangashamisika kuti sei katoey ichida kupfekedzwa zvipfeko zvechikadzi. Ndiko here kuguma kwenyika kungoonekwa semurume wogerwawo semurume? Zvisinei, havasi mushangu dzangu, havazivi kuti ndinonzwa sei. Sezvandakataura, kune mamiriyoni evanhu uye munhu wose ane zvaanotenda.
Munofunga kuti vanhu vane pfungwa dzakavhurika pamusoro pedambudziko iri mazuva ano here?
Kana vanhu vasingakudi, ndiyo kodzero yavo yese uye ndinoremekedza izvozvo. Asi kana vanhu vasinganzwisisi, ndinoona riri basa kuvabatsira kunzwisisa. Tinogona kugadzirisa chero dambudziko nekufunga, kwete kukumbira tsitsi. Handisi kuzokumbira tsitsi, ndiri kungokumbira kuti nditsanangure. Ndichatsanangura dambudziko kune ani nani anoteerera.
Wagara uchiziva kuti uri mukadzi here?
Kutaura chokwadi kana pane mushonga wekuti ndive murume chaiye ndinotoenda hangu. Asi ini handikwanise kusarudza, nekuti pfungwa dzangu dzagara dzakadai. Hazvisi zvemakuriro andakaita, nekuti amai vangu vaiona sezviratidzo ndichiri mudiki. Ndakakura ndichiri mukomana, kunyange zvishoma, nokuti baba vangu vaiva muuto, asi pfungwa dzangu dzagara dziri dzechikadzi.
Nyaya yekuti unoda kuva monk ine nharo.
Chikonzero chete ndechekuti ndinoda kuva mumongi wevanhu vandinoda. Vabereki vangu havafungi kuti zvakakodzera, vanoti ingove munhu kwaye, zvakwana. Zvisinei, ipfungwa isingadzivisiki mukutenda kwedu kuti vabereki vanoenda kudenga kana vaine mwanakomana ari mumongi. Ambuya vangu vandinoda zvikuru vanonamata uye vanoda kundiona semumongi. Asi dai ndaigona kusarudza, ndingada kuva "buad chee" (nun).
Wakatora zita rekuti Denjan rinhi?
Shamwari dzangu dzinondidaidza kudaro mushure mekutepfenyurwa kwemutambo weterevhizheni Dok Som Tong See. Vanondidaidzawo kuti Denapa. Pandakazvarwa ndakanzi Den, handina kumbobvira ndachinja zita iroro nekuti handidi kuvanza zvandiri zvachose. Zita randinoshandisa paFacebook ndiBaramee Phanich naDenjan mumabhuraketi. Ani naani anondiwedzera sahwira anoziva kuti handisi mukadzi chaiye uye kana vakasadaro ndinovaudza zvakadaro. Ndinogona kuvhiyiwa epurasitiki pachiso changu, asi handizvifarire, unogona kuona nekukurumidza kuti ndeyekunyepedzera. Ndinodada nezvandakapiwa nevabereki vangu uye handisi kuzochinja izvozvo.
Unoiona sei ramangwana rako?
Remangwana richataura. Ndinoda kushandira zvandinoda uye ndinoshuvirawo kuva modhi. Ndinoda kutsigira mhuri kuti ndive noupenyu hwakanaka uye hunofadza. Mufaro wangu ndewekukwanisawo kuchengeta vabereki vangu nambuya sezvavakandiitira. Ndinofunga kuti ibasa redu kuchengeta vabereki vedu uye kuita chimwe chinhu chakanaka kunzanga”.
Katoey ane ruvara mumigwagwa yeThailand. Kuratidzawo kushivirira kwakatekeshera ikoko. Ini handina dambudziko nazvo. PaPhuket zvainakidza kuita jee navo. PaKoh Samui chete ivo dzimwe nguva vaibatikana paunodzokera kuhotera yako husiku. Ingogara uine hushamwari uye ramba uchifamba uye ivo vanodonha. Vaive kathoey vachitsvaga vatengi.
Iko kune zvakare boka rakakura rinongoshanda zvakajairika munharaunda yeThai. Mufananidzo weFarang une weKathoey's kazhinji wakavakirwa munzvimbo dzehusiku. Asi iyo ishoma uye kwete mumiriri weiyo 'yakajairika' kathoeys.
Hongu zvakare idiki, ndinofunga, nekuti murume weThai imhando ye androgenic nemasikirwo. Haufanire kufunga nezvazvo kana iwo ese mafuta farang akatanga izvi mangwana 🙂
Takambove muVietnam, kwatakasangana nevekumadokero trav, inosvika 2 metres kureba. Uye varombo vaidikitira zvakanyanya pasi pezvipfeko zvese uye make-up.
Zvakadaro, ndinofunga, kana wakadaro, bvisa ngowani, uye rukudzo, sekufunga kwangu…..
Anodiwa gringo, Parizvino kune anonyanya kutengesa muNetherlands, iro zita rekuti: "Isu tiri uropi hwedu" / "kubva mudumbu kusvika kuAlzheimer's" naDick Swaab. Hongu, murume akawanawo kuti ngochani dzine imwe hypothalamus yakasiyana. Iverenge! Pamwe haunzwisise ngochani kana bi etc. Vanhu vanozvarwa vakadaro; Hapana chimwe uye hapana chidiki! Chero zvazvingava, haisi sarudzo! Inokura mudumbu. Asi sezvaanonyora: “Zviri nyore kushandura mafambiro enzizi nokuzunguza makomo; hazvibviri kushandura hunhu hwemunhu. Muzvese zvekusangana pabonde kune vanhu vanoita mari nazvo (semuenzaniso chipfambi) kana kuenda kune zvakanyanyisa, asi haisi iyo avhareji yemaitiro iwayo. Ndicho chikonzero nei vanhu vachifanirwa kubatwa neruremekedzo zvisinei negwara ravo. Pashure pezvose, yakanga isiri sarudzo yavo. Ndinovimba ndapedza chimwe chinhu. Zvikasadaro, verenga bhuku. Zvinojekesa zvakawanda nezvedu (ndinoreva munhu wese; kwete boka chairo). Uye kwete, ini handisi kuwana chero komisheni kubva mukutengesa !!
@Roelof Jan, ndine uye ndakaverenga bhuku rambotaurwa naSwaab. Homophily hunhu hwepabonde uye kwete sarudzo. Saka wakabarwa wakadaro. Asi kite yako haina kushanda kana zvasvika kune kathoeys, nekuti ivo havasi ngochani netsanangudzo. Ingoverenga chinyorwa ichi: https://www.thailandblog.nl/maatschappij/kathoey-niet-woord-te-vangen/
Chimwe chinyorwa kubva kuchinyorwa ichocho:
Chiitiko chengochani uye dunhu rekathoey hazvipindirane, kana muBangkok kana muAmsterdam. KuMadokero, zvakare, chikamu chiduku chete chevakadzi vanozviti ingochani. The Thai kathoey haazviisi sengochani zvakare. 'Aiwa, kwete ngochani. Kwete.' Gumi Brummelhuis akacherekedza kutsamwa kwakafanana neizvi kubva kune imwe yeakawanda kathoeys yaakataura nayo patsvagiridzo yake. Iyo kathoey inofarira kusanganisa mune heterosexual circles. Vanoda vakomana vakajeka, dzimwe nguva kunyange maziso chaiwo. Muroora waKathoey haakwanisi kuva murume zvakakwana. Kuwedzera kwemurume mudiwa, iyo kathoey inowedzera yevakadzi.
@Khun Peter - Asi hazvina musoro kupikisa kuti nekuda kwechikonzero ichocho chete kathoey haakwanise kunge ari mujene kubva pakuzvarwa - hazvibvire kunze uye zvinotonyanya kunzwisisika. Ndinogonawo kudzokorora katoey kubva munyaya iri pamusoro apa: 'apo ini handigoni kusarudza, nokuti pfungwa dzangu dzagara dzakafanana' ndinofunga kuti Roelof Jan haatauri zvakare uye kwete zvishoma.
Ini ndinodaidza iyi nyaya paThailandblog nhanho yekutanga yakanangana nekusunungurwa kwevakadzi naBarame. Shiri imwe neimwe inoimba maererano nemuromo wayo, inodaro tsumo inozivikanwa zvikuru. Zvisinei, kune vakawanda zviri nyore kuzvidza boka guru reVANHU iri, kuvadaidza sevasina kujairika uye kuvaseka. Rega ndibudise pachena, ndiri murume anongoda mukadzi semunhu, asi ndinoremekedza mamwe marudzi erudo. Ndine mwanasikana akanaka chaizvo uye mwanakomana akanaka, mwanakomana wangu akaroora ……….. murume, asi ndinofara naye zvikuru uye nzira yaanopa chimiro nechinangwa kuhupenyu hwake. Ndaizivawo ndichiri mudiki, pazera re5, kuti angangodaro aida varume kupfuura vakadzi. Ndagara ndichizviona uye ndichiremekedza izvozvo, kunyange mudzimai wangu wepanguva iyoyo.
Rarama uye rega kurarama kunowanzotaurwa, asi ngatiite izvozvo uye kuti zvive zvakanyanya kufadza kune bi, ngochani uye ladyboys kana katoy.
Zvinondinetsa zvishoma kuti zvakanyorwa kuti: he/she. Zvinozivikanwa kuti i“dambudziko” rekuzvarwa naro, saka unofanira kuribata semamwe matambudziko emuviri (kana mupfungwa) Vanonzwa semukadzi, saka vabate saizvozvo. Iko kubvuma hunhu hwavo.
Taigara tichitsvinyira vakomana vadiki tichivadaidza kuti "munin'ina". Vaiwanzoshatirwa zvikuru pamusoro paikoko. Hatingadaro nemadzimai aya
Mufananidzo wakanaka uye unonzwira tsitsi wekatoey wakadhirowewa muna John Burdett's mana asingafungidzirwe anonakidza (anowanikwa kubva kuAsia Books). Mubatsiri wemutikitivha uye mutambi mukuru, Sonchai Jitpleecheep, katoey anonzi Lek. Anogara achienzanisa pamucheto wekushanda kwekupedzisira. Kunyanya kukosha kuverenga.
Vanodiwa mose; apo panonzi ndinodaidza kathoeys ngochani. Ndakashandisa ngochani semuenzaniso semuenzaniso; kuenzanisa, kungofanana nevarume vanoita zvepabonde; pedophiles uye saka zvakare kathoeys. Ndakaverenga zvakare chidimbu kakawanda uye handichiwane. At least handina kumborevesa kudaro.
@ Roelof Jan, zviri pachena kuti penny haina kudonha. Kathoey haisi tsika yepabonde. Iwe hauna kuberekwa Kathoey. Saka iyo statement haina kubata.
Kunyangwe ini ndisiri (munhu) anatomist kana gynecologist kana geneticist, sekuziva kwangu, chikonzero chaicho hachisati chazivikanwa. Zvisinei, zvinogaro bvumwa kuti zvinobva pakuzvarwa nakwo anomaly muuropi. Saka ndiri kufungidzira kuti ikozvino kuberekwa
@Khun Peter - Nekuda kwekuti kuve kathoey hakusi hunhu hwepabonde hazvireve kuti kuve kathoey hakugone kuve wekuzvarwa. Sezvo kuva ngochani kuri mumagene, mune chero mamiriro ezvinhu zvinogoneka uye zvinonzwisisika kuti 'kunzwa mukadzi mumuviri wemurume' kuriwo mumagene kubva pakuzvarwa. Hapana anongoerekana afunga kuva mukadzi rimwe zuva kunze kwebhuruu, kunyanya kana iwe ukaona kuti zvingani zvipingamupinyi zvinosanganisirwa. Kuva ngochani kwaingoshandiswa semuenzaniso wemanzwiro/mararamiro ari mudumbu…Roelof Jan haana kumbotaura kuti kathoeys ese ingochani.
Uye usakanganwa bhaisikopo The Beautifull Boxer; kune nyaya yechokwadi.
Ndipo patinosiyana maonero. Nekudaro, ini ndinochengeta chinzvimbo changu zvichibva pakutsvagisa kwakaitwa nemapurofesa padhipatimendi rekurapa. Ivo - seni - chengetedza chinzvimbo ichi, chinodzivirirwa zvakanyanya. Chokwadi hachisi chisarudzo chinoitwa nemunhu. Kuti ndidzivise imwe hurukuro, iyi ndiyo yekupedzisira yandichataura nezvazvo.
@ Roelof Jan, ndapota ndipei kwandinogona kuverenga kuti mapurofesa edare rezvokurapa akanyora kuti kuva kathoey inzira. Ndingatenda zvikuru nokuda kwaizvozvo nokuti ndinoda kudzidza chimwe chinhu.
Hezvino zvauya: http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2668/Buitenland/article/detail/746731/2003/10/20/Studie-seksuele-identiteit-aangeboren.dhtml
The chokwadi kuti kunotaurwa kuti ungochani UYE transsexuality (ndinofunga tinogona chaizvo classify kuva kathoey pasi transsexuality) ari zvose ari majini hazvirevi kuti ose transsexuals vari otomatiki ngochani, Chokwadi.
"Chokwadi chekuti ungochani UYE transsexuality (ndinofunga isu tinogona kunyatso tsanangura kuve kathoey pasi pezvepabonde) zvese zviri mumajeni hazvireve kuti vese transsexuals vanongoita ngochani, hongu."
Hongu, makasimbisa chinetso chevakawanda panyaya iyi. Iwe unoda kuisa kathoeys mubhokisi sevamwe. A kathoey hazvirevi transsexual. Kune akawanda epakati mafomu muThailand. Kune akawanda kathoey asingade kuvhiyiwa pabonde, anosarudza mazamu, asi anoda kuchengeta hunde. Zvakanaka…
Saka sosi yako inogona kupinda mumarara 😉 Verenga chidimbu chaBrummelhuis. Murume iyeye inyanzvi yeThailand uye anthropologist. Saka nyanzvi chaiyo.
OK kana uchida, saka vari 50% transsexual. Nhaurirano yacho ndeye kuti vakazvarwa vaine manzwiro iwayo here kana kuti kwete, uye unoita seuri kuda kuramba izvozvo uchipokana nekutonga kwako kuri nani. Ndiri kuenda nenyanzvi chaidzo, katoeys, dzinotaura pasina kusarudzika kuti dzagara dzichinzwa izvi. Nehunde kana isina.
Zvese zvandiri kuedza kujekesa ndezvekuti. Haufanire kuona kathoey sengochani kana sea transsexual. Izvozvo hazvina kururama.
Asi zvine basa rei. Vangori vanhu vakaita sewe neni.
Isu tiri muchibvumirano chakakwana pane izvi, uye ndinofunga Roelof Jan ariwo.
Google: Louis Gooren. Wedu purofesa kubva kuVU uye parizvino anogara muChiang Mai, anoonekwa semumwe wenyanzvi huru munyika kana zvasvika kune transgender.
Roelof Jan,
Ndine maonero uye ndeaya anotevera:
Kana iwe uchitaura nezvechidzidzo "nenyanzvi yezvokurapa" iwe unofanirwa kuidaidza kuti ichokwadi uye kwete kungopedzisa zvisina musoro pasina kupa mhinduro chaiyo ne "uye ichi ndicho chinhu chekupedzisira chandinotaura nezvazvo." Ndinofunga kuti uri benzi guru ungade kubatanidzwa munhaurirano asi usingakwanise kupa chokwadi.
Ndinoyemura zvikuru vanhu ava.
Ndicho zvakare chikonzero nei ndichida Thailand zvakanyanya.
Isu hatichaziva iyi fomu yekushivirira muNetherlands, uye iri kuramba ichiwedzera.
Ingorega mumwe nemumwe ave. Dai zvakangofanana muNetherlands neThailand, paizove nehutsinye hushoma. Zvinofadzawo kuti munhu anoshinga kupinda nehupenyu seCapeau !!!!
Hazvinzwisisike kwandiri - uye muenzaniso unokosha wekufunga kwepfungwa - kuti vanhu vanoita dambudziko rakadaro rekuita zvepabonde kweumwe neumwe, zvido zvisingakuvadzi chero ani zvake, uye matauriro ayo anoshandiswa zvakafanana. Zvisinganzwisisike zvechokwadi, asi zvinowanzoonekwa. Kutsauka kubva paavhareji kunonetsa anenge munhu wese uyo - maererano nezvake - anowira mukati meavhareji kutsauka kubva paavhareji. Murume iye haana kuita rombo rakanaka nekushanduka-shanduka kwake. Anofanira kutsvaga uropi hwakasiyana, hune musoro.
Thailand inoda zvimwe zvevadzidzi vakanyanya kufunga ava. Aida kunyora rondedzero yaisazoguma yaiswa pamasherufu emabhuku uye isingazoverengeki zvakare. Kuita mutsauko. Vakamira vachiombera kubva kwandiri nekuda kwemukadzi uyu.
Ini ndinofunga zvakakonzera mheremhere muThailand nekuti Thammasat ndeimwe yemasangano maviri ekutanga ezvidzidzo, padyo neChulalongkorn. Uyezve, handina chimwe chinhu kunze kwekurumbidza mukadzi uyu anoita kunge akangwara, ndinovimba awana mukomana akanaka…
Moderator: Chirevo ichi hachina kutumirwa. Kusarura.
Transsexualism haina zvachose chekuita nehukadzi hwevanhu vaanokwezvwa, asi zvese zvine chekuita nekuzivikanwa kwemunhukadzi. Inyaya yekuzvarwa akadaro. Kunyange kurerwa kana tsika kuita munhu transsexual, kana - kana akaberekwa somunhu transsexual - munhu asingadi kuchinja gender (zvakare). Zvakatosiyana kuti tsika inobata sei chiitiko ichi.
Mukati metsika, ungochani hunogona kuvengwa pamwe chete nechishuvo chokuva munhurume wakasiyana (transsexuality). Expats nemikwende yepfungwa ichiri kunyura muma50s - uye vasina kutukwa ne'kutsauka' - vanotaridzika zvinoshamisa muThailand.
Hongu, uye zvakare 'kutsauka' kunonzi ungochani ndeyekuzvarwa, asi kuda kuve wemurume kana murume (kuve 'trans'), uye kuda kuti mudiwa ave murume mumwe chete (kuti ave 'ngochani') chaizvo zviviri zvakasiyana ' kutsauka'. Uye hakusi 'kutsauka' uko vanhu vanongoerekana vaguma vava munzvimbo yegrey sezvavanokura. Ndizvo chete nyaya neimwezve kutsauka (iyo isina chinhu chinosemesa pairi): nevhudzi dzvuku.