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Home » Mubvunzo wemuverengi » Mubvunzo wevaverengi: Sei Isaan ichionekwa senzvimbo yakaderera?
Vadiwa vaverengi,
Kuita kwevaverengi kunowanzoratidza kuti Isaan nevagari vemo vanoonekwa sevanhu vakaderera. Ichi chinhu chakajairika muBangkok uko kunoshanda vazhinji, asi ini handinzwisise zvakataurwa nevaverengi vechiDutch.
Munguva ichangopfuura mumwe muverengi akadana Isaan: the lair of Pluto, mumwe akafunga kuti Isani aisada kushanda nesimba. Zvakanaka ini ndinogara pano pakadzika mukamuri yePluto, asi handizive iyo yakaipa yeIsanis. Ivo vanhu vanodada, varombo asi vanogutsikana.
Nei Isan ichionekwa senzvimbo yakaderera?
Kwaziwai,
Jacobus
Mwoyo wangu uri muna Isa. Kutaura zvazviri, ndinogara ikoko, neIsan.
Ndakadzidza kuti vazhinji vevanyunyuti vakave nehukama neIsan runako.
Uye handina kuzvinzwisisa zvachose.
Nekuti havadi kunzwira tsitsi kana kugadzirisa. Mukupesana, vaive/vane zvimiro, kunyangwe zvaidiwa, kunyanya kana vakashinga kuuya kuzogara pano.
Uye vanowana zvavakakumbira: matambudziko.
Dixit my own partner (verenga yakakodzera blog)
matambudziko ayo ivo gare gare, mumapubs uye pamaforamu, vanotsanangura kwenguva refu - kune yavo mukana. Vanotogumbura here, vekuMadokero vanofara vanozviratidza se 'magirazi ane mavara-akachena'.
Vanobvumirwa kunyunyuta. Ndizvo zvinoita maforamu. Asi chokwadi chakaoma pavari.
VaIsaan vane dzinza reLao - kwete Thai. Vekwavo 'chaivo' vekuThai vanovatarisira pasi nekuda kweruvara rweganda ravo (rusarura) uye kushaya dzidzo (inosimbiswa nehutongi hwese muBangkok).
Asi kuvenga kuwirirana. Pano havadi "Bangkok".
Hongu, vaIsaka vanodada, vakasindimara.
Asi govana zvese zvavanazvo nemumwe munhu, kana izvi zviri zviviri uye zvichigoneka.
VaIsaan vanhu vanofara, zvisinei nezvatinoti urombo hwavo.
Vanongova varombo venyama, mumweya vakapfuma zvakapetwa kagumi kutipfuura isu vokuMadokero.
Ndakaroorwa zviri pamutemo nemurume wangu Isan, saka surname yangu iri pakadhi rake rechitupa. Kubva pane izvi, anondirongera zvese, mahotera, kushanya kwachiremba uye kuchipatara. Ari kuita zvirinani uye anomupa kuzvivimba, uye ndizvo zvakakwana!
Akanyorwa zvakanaka Inquisitor, uye zvechokwadi ndinobvumirana newe "nekuti" ini pachangu ndave ndakaroora kwemakore makumi mana nemukadzi anobva kuIsan. Tave tichigara kumaruwa eUbon kwemakore mashanu izvozvi uye vana vedu vanouya kuzotishanyira pano nguva nenguva…
Asi dzimwe farang dzine chikonzero chokunyunyuta, kunyange zvazvo dzimwe nguva dziri nyore zvikuru kubiridzira. Somuenzaniso, ndinoziva farang (kwete Dutch kana Belgian) akaroora makore mashoma apfuura nomukadzi aiva nemakore 40 muduku kwaari. Izvozvo hazvifaniri kuva dambudziko, hongu, asi zviri munyaya iyi. Akaita mvere kwazvo. Anofungidzirwa kuti akaenda kuyunivhesiti inodhura yaakapa mari yacho, asi yunivhesiti iyoyo yaivawo chivharo chakanaka chokugara usipo masikati uye kazhinji usiku nepakupera kwevhiki uye kuenda kumukomana wake. Haana kuvanza izvi kune vamwe. Asi kana wakanyatsoedza kumuita kuti anzwisise izvozvo, aisazozvitenda. Kwapera makore chete ndipo paakazozviziva.
Asi nerombo rakanaka, vakadzi vakadaro ndivo vakasiyana muIsan. Uye kupedzisa pane imwe pfungwa yakanaka: Ndinoziva, semuenzaniso, mhuri zhinji kumaruwa kuno, uko vabereki vanoita zvese zvavanogona kuti vakwanise zvemari kuti vana vavo vadzidze muguta. Vanofanirawo kubhadhara mari yekuwedzera yekufambisa. Kunyange mhuri dzinenge dzisina chinhu uye dzinogara muimba isina masvingo emukati uye isina mahwindo inobudirira mune izvi. Zvinoshamisa...
Moderator: Maonero asina mabhii ekunyora, akadai semabhii makuru uye nhambo mushure memutsara, haatumirwe.
Moderator: Ndapota usataure.
Chero ani anoti mazhinji maIsaners anoshanda muBangkok anogona kutarisa pamepu; iyo Isan ichave 4x Netherlands uye yakanaka 21 miriyoni vanhu vanogara imomo uye ivo havashande vese muBangkok. Kuti kune kushayikwa kwemabasa kwakawanda muIsan, iniwo ndinogara ikoko, ndizvo zvazviri uye kune kutama kwevashandi, asi kunewo izvi mune mamwe matunhu munyika ino.
Iyo isan ine mazana emakore isina kuvandudzwa kupfuura Siam, taura chikamu chepakati umo Bangkok neAyutthaya, uye kupfuura nzvimbo dzakasimukira dzeLanna kuchamhembe. Asi kune ivhu rakaorera uye kurimwa mupunga. Isan, nzvimbo yakati sandara yeKhorat, yakanga iri nzvimbo yakaoma uye zvichiri zvakadaro pano neapo, asi kune maguta makuru uye kune budiriro. Kwemazana emakore Isan yaionekwa se“Laos” uye inonongedzerwa kwairi mumabhuku seyakadaro.
Uye kuti vamwe "vanhu veBangkok" vanoona ian se "musha wedu" kubva kumutambo wemonopoly, zvakanaka, nzvimbo yeNetherlands yakashongedzwa kwemazana emakore uye kutamiswa kwemasevhisi ehurumende kuGroningen neLimburg kwakaonekwa sekutapwa kuenda kuGulag. ...... Tinoziva zviri nani iye zvino.
Iyo yekumashure dzimwe nguva inogadzirwa, asi iyo Isan haina kukwezva kweguta hombe nenzvimbo dzeimwe varaidzo uye izvo zvinodzivirira vashanyi kushanya asi zvinovimbisa rugare rwangu.
Eric, usanetseka zvakanyanya
ndakaroorwawo zvemutemo ndine mukadzi weku isaan
Ndava ne4 years ndichigarako
Ndinofarira kunyarara ikoko
uye muPattaya ndakagara pekutanga
Ndaifunga kuti raingova dhorobha remacarnival
zvino ndinogara muyasothon sezvandinoda
Mhoro Erik, vanhu vane mamirioni makumi maviri nerimwe havasi vanhu vanoshanda, asi vanhu vese, hongu, mwana achiri kunzwisisa kuti havasi vese vanoshanda muBangkok, asi pano vazhinji vanoshanda muBangkok, kana kuti vakatenga basa kuMiddle Ages. Kumabvazuva uye kushanda ikoko kwemakore akati kuti.
Uyu mubvunzo unonakidza. Ndinofunga kuti pane zvikonzero zvakawanda:
Vanhu vazhinji vanofunga kuti vanotaridzika zviri nani kana vachitarisira vamwe vanhu pasi. Ndiwo maitiro akajairika emunhu atinosangana nawo pasi rese. Kazhinji izvi zvine chekuita nemapoka madiki.
2 kune yazvino muThailand inoratidzira maIsaners akashata, ane usimbe uye akaremara. Idzo pfungwa dzinonyanya kubva kune 'vakabudirira' maBangkokian neveMaodzanyemba. Vanodanwa, kunyanya panguva yekuratidzira kwaSuthep, 'ai khwaai', nyati dzine ropa uye 'vasingazive varimi vevarimi'. Vamwe vekunze vanofunga kuti vanozotaridzika zvirinani kana vakagamuchira iwo maonero.
3 kushaikwa kweruzivo rwesangano reIsan, iwe wazvitaura iwe pachako. Kana iwe ukasagona mutauro, mikana ndeyekuti iwe haunzwisise marudzi ese ezviitiko. Chirwere nezvinetso zvepfungwa zvinokanganisika sousimbe.
4 kushaikwa kwekunzwira urombo mamiriro ezvinhu muIsaan, simba ravo rekutenga rakaderera (1/3 yeBangkok), dzidzo isina kukwana uye zvivako zveutano (chiremba mumwe pavanhu 4.000; muBangkok mumwe chete pavanhu 800.
Pamwe vamwe vanhu vanogona kutaura zvakawanda.
Ndakaroora Isan and she is a super woman, kwete benzi, but stubborn and doesnt meet the standards dzandakaverenga pano paforum. Zvichida vaDutch ndivo vanofunga zvisiri izvo uye kwete vanhu vanobva kuIsaan. Kune rumwe rutivi, kuenzanisa nemafungiro ako ekare echiDutch ekufunga anogara asina kunaka, ergo ndinoda vanhu vanobva kuIsaan zvakanyanya, vane mwoyo uri nani kupfuura vazhinji veFarang uye vanondiona ndakaenzana uye vanobatwa saizvozvo. Kunyange ndikabuda ndega, vanondidzivirira nekuti vanondiona semumwe wavo. Uye kuti ndine vanasikana vaviri vanondidaidza kuti Poh uye zvandinoitira zvese vanowana magumo, ndozvazvingaite! Iva iwe Farang asi remekedza mumwe munhu kubva kuIsaan!
Maonero iwayo okuzvidukupisa anobva paurombo, mihoro yakaderera. Ini pachangu ndinowana vakadzi vachiuya kubva kuIsaan, uye avo ndivo vazhinji vevakadzi vebarladies uye masaja, vasikana vakanaka kwazvo, vanoda mimhanzi inonakidza uye inonakidza. Zvakanaka chaizvo kuve wakakomberedzwa navo panguva yako yezororo muThailand. (Kunyangwe uchigara ipapo)
Nekudaro, semurume wekuroora handina nemaune kutsvaga runako rweIsan, asi runobva kuBangkok.
Sarudzo yangu zvechokwadi ine chekuita nemamiriro emari emhuri, kuzviriritira.
MuFlanders vanoti…rudo IBOFU…asi ndakaramba ndakasvinura!
Vanhu vakaderera?? Kana bodo! Inferior region ??… ishuviro yekuti hurumende ichavabatsira mukudzidzisa varimi kurima zvimwe zvirimwa zvave kuita pundutso nhasi.
Ndinoda vanhu…ndinoda dunhu…asi ndiri kufara chaizvo muCha am…handidi kuitengesa!
Kufunga kwakadaro, chokwadika, kunotaura chinhu chiri chose pamusoro pavanhu vakataura zvinhu zvakadaro. Generalizing ibenzi, ingave yakanaka kana yakaipa. Kushora boka rose (Isaaners, Bangkokians, Thai, Dutch, Randstad vagari, Flemings, ...) zvinonzwisa tsitsi. Sezvineiwo, moderator pano anomisa yakaipisisa stereotypes pamusoro mapoka. Ini ndinofunga kuti moderator anofanirwa kumbodonha pachigaro chake nekushamisika kana kuda kuseka neupenzi hwakanyanya uye stereotypes.
Zvikuru zvichabva pakutaura kwaTino. Vanhu vanoda kunzwa zviri nani pane mumwe munhu, vasina simba rekuzviisa mune zveumwe munhu, kushaya ruremekedzo uye kushivirira. Ndinonzwisisa kuti hupenyu muIsaan hunofanira kunge huri gehena rechokwadi kune vamwe vanhu. Kana iwe uchingoziva hupenyu muguta reEurope uye usingakwanise kubata ne (Thai) kumaruwa, zvakanaka. Asi zvino ingoti "kwete chinhu changu, zvakare primitive" uye enda kwaunonzwa kumba. Kupomera mumwe munhu chinongova chiratidzo chokushaya simba. Iwe hausi chinhu chiri nani, iwe wakasiyana. Tose takasiyana, vanhu vane zvatinoda. Ini handinzwisisi icho chinhu chisina kunaka, kana ukanzwa mumwe munhu achitema boka nebhurasho rimwe chete, ndaizozvibvisa pachangu kubva pairi pane kusvetukira pane bandwagon uye ndichibvumirana neizvi netariro yekuti iwe unowana mapoinzi pakati pevakuru / vakakwidziridzwa.
Uye kwete, handifungi kuti zvinogoneka neimwe nzira. Unogona kuratidza boka, ingava maIsaaners, Bankokians, kana chero ani zvake, se "zviri nani." Izvozvo zvingava nevavariro dzakanakisisa, dzinotarisirwa serumbidzo, asi hazvibviri kutaura kuti rimwe boka riri nani pane, semuenzaniso, boka rako 'rako'.
Isaan, Bangkok, Netherlands, kana kupi zvako, handingasanganise matunhu aya nevanhu pamwe chete. Ona munhu wacho, shanyira nzvimbo dzaunonzwa wakasununguka, nakidzwa, seka. Hapana kana mumwe munhu ari nani kupfuura mumwe munhu. Uye dzivisa vanhu vasina kunaka, chero ani kana chipi chavanoshora. Havana kukodzera nguva yako rega chimwe chinhu chingakugumbura iwe. Unogona chete kutarisira kuti vanhu ivavo vachauya uye voburuka pabhiza ravo refu.
Ndave nemakore ndakaroorwa nemukadzi anobva kwaIsaan, kusvika pakugutsikana uye rudo. Tichiri kugara muNetherlands asi gore rega rega tinoenda kuIsaan (Khorat). Kune zvose kugutsikana kuzere. Isu tirimo mumba medu takakomberedzwa nehama, hanzvadzi dzese. tinoita nzendo dzakati wandei ikoko nemhuri uye kune vamwe ndinonakidzwawo pachangu.
Kana iwe uchibata vanhu neruremekedzo, iwe uchaiwana zvakare. Ivo zvamazvirokwazvo varombo zvikuru kupfuura isu maererano nokudisa zvenyika, asi mukubata nomumwe nomumwe, uyewo neni, ivo vakapfuma zvikuru. VaFarang vakawanda vanogona kudzidza chimwe chinhu kubva pane izvozvo. Uye hongu, vane maitiro akasiyana uye tsika, asi kupi munyika haadaro?
Kuenda zvachose kuIsaan mumakore mashoma, ndiri kutotarisira kwazviri.
Ndakabhadharira mwanakomana wangu kukoreji uye vanasikana vese vari kuenda kusekondari. Ivo vakatoti: Zvino imi tichengetei, gare gare tichakuchengetai. Saka zvinotaridzika zvakanaka.
Vanhu vanobva kuIsaan dom ??? Mudzimai wangu anotaura Dutch zviri nani kupfuura zvandinoita Thai, asina chikoro. Anoshanda, saka anowana mari yake (yezororo) uye akagara pano zvachose.
Mufananidzo iwoyo zvechokwadi mufananidzo, mufananidzo uye stereotype. Kune vose vari vaviri, havambofukidzi chokwadi. Sezvo Thais uye pamwe zvakare vatorwa vanotaura nezveIsaners, kune zvakare stereotypes muNetherlands nezveLimburgers (chaizvo maGerman kana ukanzwa mutauro wavo), Achterhoekers (mapenzi uye zvidhakwa zvidhakwa), Rotterdammers (anopikisa Amsterdammers), Zeelanders (isu tiri zunig) nezvimwe. .etc .
Sezvineiwo, usakanganwe matauriro anoita maIsamers nezve Bangkokians….
Vanhu vanofanira kusarudza. Zvimwe tinozarura mwoyo yedu nepfungwa dzedu kumararamiro evamwe vanhu, tinokoshesa kufanana kwedu uye kupemberera misiyano yedu iyo tose tinobudirira nayo kana kuti tinowira muruvengo nekusaziva tozviparadza.
Vanhu vanogara vachida mumwe munhu wekupikisa.
Kuwanda kwakaita Lo-So mumwe munhu, ndiko kuwedzera kwaunoita Hi-So iwe pachako.
Chikonzero nei maThais vasingafarire Isaan nevanhu vayo, uye dzinza reKhmer kunyanya, riri mukuti ivo vanoumba 37% yehuwandu, asi vanopa isingasviki 17% yezviwanikwa, uye vanogara vakasiyana. kukumbira matanho ekutsigira mari, asi maererano navo, havana kugadzirira kuchinja nzira. Zvipo zvepopulist zvakagadzirirwa kuIsaan, nehurumende dzakatevedzana dzeS., zvichiperekedzwa nehuwori hukuru, hwakadhura nyika mabhiriyoni, zvakasimbisa kuvenga uku.
Zvinonetsa maBangkokians kuti ne12% yevagari, vanopa 37% kumari yehurumende. Izvi zvinoshandawo kuCentral Plains, inova ndiyo yega dunhu rinofanirwa kuve net mambure. Zvinofungwa neveutra nationalist royalist vekumaodzanyemba hazvina kukodzera kutumirwa paforamu. Muchokwadi, maIsanese, ese Lao neKhmer, iboka rehuwandu rine nhoroondo, tsika uye kunyange mutauro uye mimhanzi zvakasiyana kubva kune vamwe vese veThai.
Zvinoshamisa kwazvo kuti kune vashoma kushamwaridzana pakati peThai neIsanese (Khmer) munzvimbo yebasa muBangkok uye nekumhiri. Vangori nyika mbiri dzakasiyana.
Ndinoda kusimbisa kuti handisi kuita kukosha kwekutonga pano.
'Chikonzero nei maThai vasingafarire Isaan nevanhu vayo ... uye 'kuvenga'
Mutsara uyu unotaura zvese. Vanhu veIsan havasi Thai. MaBangkok chete ndivo maThai chaiwo. Uye, zvinosemesa, avo vakapfuma chaivo Thais muBangkok vanofanira kupa chimwe chinhu kubatsira avo varombo hafu Thais muIsaan.
ndinotaura izvi. Ndiyo mari yakachipa yevashandi uye yemutero kubva kuIsan inoenda kuBangkok kunogadzira iyo chaiyo Thais ikoko kupfumisa vobva vatarisa pasi maIsaners.
Vanasikana vanobva kuIsan nekuMaodzanyemba vapfumisa vazhinji vekuBangkok........
Nzvimbo yebasa iyo Henry inotaura muBangkok saka kazhinji ine vanhu vanobva kuIsan.
Kana paine fenzi ine manhamba ndapota tsanangurai. 17% yezvipi zvavanopa? Uye mamwe matunhu vanopa marii? Uye ichashandiswa kupi zvakare? Zvichiri kunyanya muBangkok kana tichitaura nezve mari yedunhu reThai.
Uye ini ndinoona zvichishoresa kubatanidza mupiro kune chimwe chinhu kune kwakabva, mushure mezvose ivo vagari veThai.
Imhaka yerudzi urwu rwehuwandu husina kusimbiswa uye zvisizvo zvinzvimbo uye fungidziro kuti dunhu muThailand rinoonekwa zvisirizvo rakaderera.
Tora muenzaniso wemari yegasi muGroningen, iyo inogoverwa pakati uye vanhu veGroningen havatarise pasi vanhu vemuguta vanokweretesa maoko avo kune iyi gasi mari.
Nzanga yeThai inotarisa zvakanyanya pakuonekwa kwechimiro uye inokurumidza kuisa munhu mumabhokisi. Rudzi rwakareruka rune chimiro chakawanda, nezvimwewo. Rudzi rweganda rakareruka rine chimiro chakawanda, Isan inonyanya kurima. bar circuit.
Ndine mukadzi kwaisaan (udonthani) tine mwana musikana akanaka ane makore 7. Mkadzi wangu haambobvunzi mari nekuti anoshanda nesimba.mudiki (2 yrs) Vabereki havambokumbira mari uye kana vakakwereta vanokwereta. uye uchiripa mwedzi woga woga. Tezvara vangu vakasandura imba yavo kuita ka 34room resort kuti vawane chouviri uye vamwene vanoshanda newachiro. Mwanasikana wangu anonzwisisa chiDutch zvakanaka uye zvakare anotaura zvishoma uye anotaura Chirungu neThai uye vamwene vanotaura Isaan kwaari haha.
Ndinogona kuenda chero kwandinoda ini kazhinji ndinoenda mushure meHua Hin kwandakatanga kugara uye dzimwe nguva ndinoenda mushure meBangkok (mujaho webhiza) mukadzi wangu anewo rusununguko kubva kwandiri dzimwe nguva anobuda mushure medisco yeThai muUdon uye ini ndinoenda 1 x kutamba. dziva vhiki imwe neimwe.
Tinoenda kuzororo kaviri pagore kana zvikoro zvavharwa muna Kurume naGumiguru.
Ini ndinoti iwe unongofanira kuirova nekuti une vanhu vakaipa uye vakanaka kwese kwese, kunyangwe kunze kweThailand.
Vanhu veIsaan vane hunhu uye vane hushamwari.
Mudzimai wangu haabhejeri kana kutamba makadhi ini ndichitamba rotari nhema nemujaho webhiza Mugovera wega wega muUdon.
ndingangoti nakidzwa nehupenyu uripano.
mzzl Pekasu
Ndave ne 9 years ndakaroora mukadzi waIsaan uye ndinoda kuchembera naye. handidi hiso kubva kubangkok. Anondiitira zvese ini neniwo. Usambokumbira mari uye haafanire kuenda kubvudzi salon mazuva ese. Chimiro chakachena.
Ini ndinofunga nezve 80% yevaFarang vakaroora muThai vakaroora mukadzi wechiIsaan. Uyewo Van Kampen! Van Kampen anofunga kuti izvi zvine chekuita nehurombo huri muIsaan. Unobuda sei muurombo?; Kuroora Farang!
Chandichiri kuda pano ndeichi: Vagari vekwaIsaan vanosanganisira varimi vanorima mupunga unodyiwa nevaThai. (musiyano pakati peThai naIsaan ??).
Saka …… dai vanhu vemuIsaan vaive nehusimbe sezviri kutaurwa neThai pangadai pasina/mupunga mudiki uye 12% yeThai yaizofa nenzara.
Saka hapana chinokunda...
KuIsaa, mupunga unonamira unorimwa zvakanyanya, uye maBankokians haadye mupunga unonamira LOL.
Haisi muIsan iyo mupunga wakawanda unorimwa, asi muCentral Plains
Mhoro. zvose. Zvose zvakanaka uye zvakanaka, nyika imwe neimwe ine tsika dzayo. Kusaziva hazvirevi kuti wakapusa, asi ukapindira kana kucommenta pane chimwe chinhu usingazive zvauri kuita, wakapusa... (kuona zvakakwana).
Izvi zvinoshandawo kuThailand nepasirese… Rarama uye rega kurarama, uye rega munhu wese ave kukosha kwake.
Harmen.