Mubvunzo wemuverengi: Kurambwa neKLM kwezororo pfupi muLondon
Vadiwa vaverengi,
Tichifunga nezveBrexit, musikana wangu wekuThai neni takasarudza kubhuroka rwendo rwemazuva mashanu kuenda kuLondon munguva pfupi. Akanga asati ambovapo uye wakanga uri mukana wakanaka kwatiri zvino kuti UK ichiri chikamu cheEurope. Kunyange zvazvo isiri nyika yeSchengen, ndakanga ndaverenga kuti hazvaizova dambudziko kuti musikana wangu wechiThai (ane mvumo yekugara senhengo yemhuri nemhuri yakarongwa somunhu) kuti agamuchirwe kuUK.
Mushure mezvose, pamuganhu takakwanisa kuratidza kuti tine hukama hunogara uye kuti, semumwe wemugari weEU, aingoda kushanya kwenguva pfupi kuLondon neni. Izvi zvinogonawo kutorwa kubva kumatikiti ekudzoka uye kurongedzerwa hotera, kuitira kuti chitambi chete kana apinda muUK chinomukwanira.
Ndizvo zvataifunga, asi hapana chingave chiri kure kubva kuchokwadi, kana iwe ukabhururuka neKLM sezvatinoita. Ikozvino KLM haibvunze kana kupa chero ruzivo nezve izvi kana uchibhuka uye uchitarisa mukati. Apo bedzi takanga tapedza gadziriro dzose dzokupinda, tsika nechengeteko ndokuzvizivisa timene pagedhi rokukwira nenguva, ndipo patakazomiswa nomushandi ari pabasa nenzira isingaenzaniswi noushamwari uye yebhizimisi. Mushure mechinguva chidiki diki zvakazoonekwa kuti hazvisi kuzoshanda. Isu tinofanirwa kuwana vhiza kumumiriri weThai, izvo A. zvisingagoneke neSvondo, asi B. haaite seakanaka kwandiriwo. Mushure mezvose, isu tiri kubhururuka kuenda kuUK?
Saka mari yaenda yehotera, mari yekufambisa uye isingadzoserwe matikiti endege. Sezvineiwo, taifanirawo kumirira kweanopfuura maawa matatu sutukesi yedu, iyo zvino yakatariswa mukati.
Zvese mune zvese, kwandiri zvirinani, kutendeuka kwakashata neKLM. Ini pachangu ndinotenda kuti vakatiramba zvisiri pamutemo. Kana zvisina kudaro, ruzivo rwakapihwa pachine nguva uye kutaurirana mushure hahuna hushamwari mutengi.
Pane vaverengi vane ruzivo neizvi here?
Kwazisai,
Henk
Hi Hank,
Ndine urombo kuti une chiitiko ichi, asi ndinoshamisika kuti unoverenga kupi kuti Thais haidi vhiza yeUK zvichienderana nenhengo yemhuri? Mushure mezvose, unotoratidza kuti UK haisi nyika yeSchengen uye kuti vhiza yenhengo yemhuri yako yeThai iSchengen visa. Ndinobvunza izvi nekuti ndakatobatsira mukadzi wechiThai wemumwe murume wechiRungu kakawanda nekuwana vhiza kuUK paanoenda kuzororo ikoko nemurume wake. Mufambi anogara aine mutoro wemapepa evisa chaiwo. Wakabhuka sei, uchishandisa internet? KLM ingatarise sei kana uine mapepa chaiwo? Zvinosuruvarisa, izvi zvinosanganisirawo mukana wekusabvumirwa kubhururuka. Izvi zvinofanirwa kugara zvichiitwa nenzira ine ushamwari mutengi, mumaonero angu akazvininipisa. Uri kutotaura nezvenhaurirano iyo dzimwe nguva inogona kuderera kuva maitiro asina ushamwari nemashoko (kubva kumativi ose).
Mune maonero angu akazvininipisa, KLM ine zvishoma zvekuita nazvo. Pave nenguva, asi pandakaenda kuLondon nemusikana wangu wekuThai, aifanira kunge aine vhiza inoshanda. IBritish Kingdom haisi nyika yeSchengen.
Wadiwa Hans Bos, KLM, sedzimwe ndege dzese, inofanirwa kubata neizvi.
Kana mufambi asina Visa inosungirwa kupinda muUK, iyo ndege inokurumidza kutarisana nematambudziko nendege yekudzoka.
Edza kutarisa kune imwe nyika isina visa neThai kana imwe nyika.
Ndapota cherechedza kuti izvi hazvigoneki nekambani ipi zvayo inocherechedza.
Anodiwa Henk,
Chokwadi zvinonyadzisa zvapfuura. Kwete rwendo runonakidza, mari yaenda!
Vanhu vechiDutch vakaroora mukadzi wechiThai muNetherlands havakwanisiwo kupinda muEngland pasina imwe nguva. Kwete nechikepe kana nendege.
Mapepa akakodzera anodiwa anofanira kutengwa pachine nguva.
Bvunza kune Chirungu chekufambisa agency, pakati pevamwe.
Zvakanakisa kuronga mapepa pachine nguva kune UK visa kune vakaroora (kana hukama hwakafanana newanano). Visa (EEA Family Permit) ndeyemahara mune idzi kesi. Kana iwe ukasvika muchengeti wemuganhu weBritish, anogonawo kuronga mapepa ipapo, asi iwe unoita kuti zvinhu zviome uye vakuru vakuru havasi kufara nazvo.
Nekudaro, Brexit ichangosvika pakona, saka zvinhu zvinogona kunge zvakasiyana mukati memavhiki mashoma. Muchiitiko chekusabvumirana, iyo UK haichazowira pasi peEU Directive 2003/38 (kufamba kwemahara kwevanhu veEU nemhuri dzavo). Kana zvakadaro, vanobatana neThai vezvizvarwa zveDutch vanofanirwa kunyorera yenguva dzose yeBritish Vashanyi Visa ine magwaro anotsigira, mubhadharo, nezvimwe.
Wadiwa I.Lagemaat, Kwete chete kuvanhu vechiDutch, kunyange ini, ndine pasipoti yeBritish uye nyika, ndinofanira kukumbira Visa nguva dzose kumudzimai wangu weThai, wandakaroorana naye zviri pamutemo.
Hongu,
Pamutemo wakarurama kuti nhengo yemhuri isiri yeEU inofanirwa kuwana mukana kune dzese nyika dzeEU.
Asi handifungi kuti zviri nyore sezvawaifungidzira kuti zvive.
Tarisa peji ino.
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/entry-exit/non-eu-family/index_en.htm
Mazano mashoma ataurwa pano: Bata embassy yenyika yauri kuenda mberi. Kwauri iyi ndiyo Embassy yeUK. Wakazviita here?
England ichiri nhengo yeEU, asi haina kumbobvira yave nhengo yenyika dzeSchengen. Izvi hazvina kumbosiyana. Izvi zvinoreva kuti kana uine Schengen visa unofanira kugara uchinyorera vhiza yekuEngland kana uchida kuendako. Izvi hazvina kumbobvira zvasiyana uye zvinowanzozivikanwa uye zvinosanganisirwa muruzivo kana uchipa Schengen visa. Iri ibasa remufambi nguva dzose. Zvekuti wakamira pamusha apa zvinoreva kuti hauna kuita basa rako rechikoro nemazvo uye ibenzi. Basa riri kwauri kwete neKLM. Anofanira kufara kuti ruoko rwaJU rwakamumisa. Kudai wakanga waenda kunhandare yendege yeChirungu, ungadai wakamiswa ipapo worambidzwa kupinda uye waizofanira kudzokera kuNetherlands nokukurumidza, izvo zvinoreva kuti waizofanira kutenga matikiti maviri nemitengo yose inobatanidzwa. Ndinofunga unofanira kutenda mushandi weKLM nekudzivirira zvese izvi.
Ndinofunga izvi zvinonyadzisa kurapwa neKLM.
Ndokumbirawo musimudze izvi neKLM mupe nepamunogona napo
zvinogoneka kuzivisa.
Inge
Wadiwa Inge, nyaya yekuti Henk nemukadzi wake wekuThai vakatanga kudzoserwa pagedhi reBoarding imhaka yekuti mushandi wacho haana kuterera kana kuziviswa panguva yekuuya.
Kazhinji, vhiza inosungirwa inokumbirwa nekukurumidza mushure meimwe neimwe ndege pakutarisa-mukati.
Kusvika kwavakaita pagedhi rekupinda ndokudzoserwa kungave kuodza mwoyo kukuru, asi hazvimutadzisire kusiya chisungo chake chevhiza.
Haisi iyo yendege kana iyo yekufambisa agency ine chisungo chekupa iyo inodiwa ruzivo rweVisa pachine nguva.
Ingangove sevhisi yesangano rekufambisa, iro risingafanire kufunga izvi, kungobvunza vatengi vavo.
Chero zvazvingava, mufambi/mufambi ane mhosva uye ane mhosva nekuti atadza kubvunza, semuenzaniso, mumiriri weBritish.
Zvamunoti zvinonyadzisa pano, uye zvamunoda kuti zviwedzere kuruzhinji, zvinotondishamisa.
Hapana chinoratidza munyaya yekuti cheki-in yakaitika sei. Unogona kutarisa kumba kana kushandisa self-service checkin kuSchiphol uye hapana mushandi anobatanidzwa. Iwe unongoona tsika kana iwe uchidzokera kuSchiphol, uye zvirokwazvo kwete pakubva. Kudzora pasipoti neRoyal Military Mapurisa. Saka kana iyo yekuzvimiririra yekutarisa sarudzo yakashandiswa, mushandi anongoona pasipoti muhupenyu chaihwo pagedhi. Mhedzisiro: vafambi vakarambwa nekuti pakusvika muEngland, vafambi ivavo vanobva vadzoserwa kumashure nemari yendege. Saka zvachose kwete nzira inonyadzisa asi ine musoro.
Makorokoto.
Ndizvo chaizvo zvakaitika kwandiri neEuro Wings yakarongedzerwa mune yekufambisa agency uye yakarambwa panguva yekutarisa uye ini ndaigona kuenda kumba nemusikana wangu weThai.
Handina kuudzwa kusangano rinoona nezvekufamba kuti aida vhiza rokuenda kuEngland.
Patakadzoka, taifanira kubata nebazi rezvekufambisa zvakanyanya, asi hapana kana mari yatakadzorerwa.
Kwaziso kubva kuna VaKori
Wadiwa Henk, vanhu vane kadhi rakakosha rekugara ('mhuri yerudzi rweEU/EEA') rakapihwa pasi peDirective 2004/38 vanogona kukwira ndege kana chikepe kuenda kuUK. Vatorwa venguva dzose vanofanirwa kunyorera visa. Nyika yenhengo yeEU/EEA (pano iyo UK) inogona kuburitsa izvi pamuganho, asi uchafanira kuedza kusvika paBritish border guard. Hauzokwanisi kuita izvozvo paunenge uchibva kuairport. Kune vakuru vakuru veBritish kudivi rino rechikepe muCalais vanogona kuronga izvi. Iwe unofanirwa kuve nemapepa chaiwo (anoratidza muchato pakati pemutorwa neEU yenyika kana hukama hwenguva refu hwakafanana nemuchato).
Mutakuri anogona kupihwa faindi dzakakwirira kana akatakura vanhu vaaigona kuziva kuti havaizobvumidzwa kupinda. Kambani yakaita seKLM inobva yakanganisa kungwarira uye yoramba vanhu vanofungidzira kuti VANOFANIRA kuwana vhiza kumuganhu weBritish (kana paine humbowo hwakakwana hwekuti vane kodzero yeEU Directive 2004/38 maererano nekufamba mahara kwezvizvarwa zveEU). mhuri yepedyo). Ndosaka mukana wekuti iwe ugone kugonesa KLM iine zero ndosaka EU Home Affairs (inoti, EU Ministry of the Interior) inopa vanhu zano kuti varonge vhiza pachine nguva uye kwete kuisiya kusvika vagadzirisa izvi chete. pamuganhu.
Zvimwe pamusoro peizvi zvakare mune yangu Immigration Thai shamwari faira ('Tinogona kuenda kuUnited Kingdom?', peji 12) pano pa blog.
Zvimwe:
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https://www.thailandblog.nl/wp-content/uploads/Immigratie-Thaise-partner-naar-Nederland1.pdf
- https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/entry-exit/non-eu-family/index_nl.htm
Zvinosiririsa kuti izvi zvaitika kwauri, asi zvinoratidzika kwandiri kuti haisi KLM ine mhosva asi iwe pachako. Ungadai wakazvichengetera dambudziko rakawanda dai wakaverenga nokungwarira pachine nguva.
Ndinovimba kushanya kwangu kuUK kunotevera kuchafamba zvakanaka
Ndinoda kuziva kwaunoverenga kuti munhu ane chizvarwa cheThai ane mvumo yekugara uye anogonawo kuenda kuEngland senhengo yemhuri.???
Kunyangwe ukakwanisa kuratidza kuti wakaroorana naye zviri pamutemo, izvi hazvimupi kodzero yekupinda muEngland asina Visa.
Usati wabhuka rwendo urwu, ungadai wakachenjera kutanga wabvunza Embassy yeBritish zvinodiwa parwendo urwu.
Great Britain haisi nyika yeSchengen, saka mukadzi wako achiri kuda Visa kunyangwe aine mvumo yekugara uye kuroora zviri pamutemo kwauri.
Paunenge uchitsvaga ndege yekuenda kuLondon, kana mukadzi wako asina Visa inosungirwa, ndege dzese dzinoramba kumutendera kuti apinde.
Muchiitiko chako, KLM yaisungirwa kutarisa izvi, nekuti imwe njodzi yekukurumidza kudzoka nendege, kana ichinge yaramba kupinda muUK, inofanira kugadziriswa nendege.
Ini ndine pasipoti yeBritish ini, uye kunyangwe ndave ndakaroora mudzimai wangu wekuThai kwemakore, kunyangwe seMugari weBritish ndichiri kumurongera Visa.
Zvinoita kwandiri senyaya yakasimba kwazvo yekuti iwe unoverenga izvi zvakasiyana kune hukama hwako hweThai, wondibvunza zvakare, unoverengera kupi izvi ???
Kwete Willem, kwete nyika dzese dzeEU, asi nyika dzese dziri munharaunda yeSchengen neEEA.
Ndinokutendai zvikuru nemashoko akawanda kana mashoma ane basa.
Sezvataurwa, rwakanga rwuri rwendo rwechiziviso chipfupi uye kubhuka zvakanyanya kana kushoma zvechimbichimbi nechinangwa cheBrexit yaizouya. Izvi zvamazvirokwazvo hazvina kubvumikisa kuva nzira yakanakisisa. Kupusa sekufunga kwaThomas kurongedza izvi? Handizivi, asi mukufunga kwangu ndakazviita.
Ndakatanga kubhuka ndege ndichifungidzira kuti taizokwanisa kuwana vhiza rekupinda mumuganhu weUK. Inzwa kubva kushamwari/vanozivana navo (zvakare svondo rapfuura) kuti izvi zvinogoneka kuburikidza nechiteshi chenzira.
Rob V. anopawo chinongedzo munharo yake inosimbisa izvi muchitsauko "pamuganhu pasina vhiza yekupinda" https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/entry-exit/non-eu-family/index_nl.htm
Musikana wangu ane vhiza rakadaro, randinotaurwa nezita semudiwa/mubatsiri. Ini ndinogona zvakare kuratidza nguva dzese kuti isu tine imba yakagovaniswa, kugara tese zvachose uye kuti chinangwa chaive chekunakidzwa nezororo pfupi muLondon kwemazuva mashanu.
Zvechokwadi, mukutarisa ... :) Ndingadai ndakazvichengetedza kugumbuka uye kusagutsikana.
Zvakadaro, ndakamhan'ara kuKLM. Saka ndiani pamusoro pese kosi yezviitiko.
Vanokutendera kuti ubhuke, pinda, tichipinda netsika uye pagate rekupinda chete tinorambwa nekuti hatigone kuratidza visa. Chekutanga, mushandi weKLM akaramba zvachose, isu hatina kuziviswa zvakanaka uye takaendeswa kuThai !!!! embassy, izvo zvakatondishamisa. Kudzoserwa kwesutukesi hakunawo kutangwa pakutanga, saka taifanira kuimirira kweanopfuura maawa matatu mushure mekunge taenda kumadhesiki matatu ebasa reKLM panguva ino.
Kubva pane zvakaitika kune vanozivana / shamwari uye izvo zvinotaurwa muhutano huri pamusoro apa, tinofanira kubvumirwa kumuganhu weBritish.
Sezvineiwo, takaita rombo rakanaka mushure mekuti matikiti ehotera asingadzoserwe anogona kukanzurwa pasina muripo. Uye isu takashandura kuodzwa mwoyo uye kushungurudzika kuita hunhu uye takabhuka rwendo rwemazuva mashanu rweguta kuenda kuPortugal ipapo paSchiphol kuburikidza neimwe ndege. (ndaifanira kutenga mbatya dzezhizha nekuda kwemamiriro ekunze akanaka;)))
Waita zvakanaka Henk!!
Usaramwe. Kuenda kuPortugal inzira inoshamisa ine mamiriro ekunze ari nani uye yakachipa zvakanyanya.
Iwe ungadai wakazvichengetedza kutsamwiswa kwekusanyunyuta kuKLM.
Ndinovimba uchiri kunakidzwa nerwendo rwako rweguta!
Anodiwa Henk,
Zvinonyadzisa kuti hauna kupa ruzivo rwakakodzera kare. Zvinogoneka chete nemvumo yekugara "pekugara zvachose semugari weMubatanidzwa". Saka kwete kana kuseri kwekadhi kuchiti "kugara kwakasimba naHenk"
Great Britain haisi chikamu che "Schengen" nzvimbo. Mugari weBelgian kana wechiDutch asina kana ane pasipoti yakapera kana chitupa haagamuchirwe zvakare.
Izvo ndizvo; asiri muEurope anofanira kunge aine vhiza yekupinda muUK, uye izvi zvave zvakadaro kwemakore;
Mudzimai wangu weThai haazvidi, nekuti anewo chizvarwa cheDutch.
Hazvina kurongeka, Jos: havasi vese vasiri vekuEurope vanoda visa yeUK. Kudoma vashoma, maAmerican, maAustralia neNew Zealanders vanogona kugara muUK kwemwedzi mitanhatu vasina vhiza.