Chokwadi, iwo mubvunzo benzi. Mushure mezvose, hauna sarudzo. Ikoko penjeni yako yeABP inotemerwa mutero inodzorwa muChibvumirano chekudzivirira mutero wakapetwa kaviri wakapedzwa pakati peNetherlands neThailand (zvino: Chibvumirano). Uye zvakadaro ini ndinoona pese pese kuti mubvunzo uyu hausi benzi. Zvikasadaro handikwanise kutsanangura kuti sei ndichigara ndichisangana nemagweta emitero uye mafemu ekupa mazano emitero nevatengi vatsva avo, kana zvasvika pakuona kuti penjeni yeABP inobhadhariswa mutero, vanoenda zvisizvo. Nekureruka kukuru, vanoisa penjeni yeABP isingabhadharwe muNetherlands semutero muNetherlands. Nepenjeni inonzwisisika yeABP, ongororo isiriyo yakadaro inogona kudhura iwe zviri nyore 5 kusvika 6 zviuru zveeuro pagore mumutero usina kufanira.

Kana iwe ukabva wabvisa Mutero Wemari Yemunhu unogona kukweretwa kubva pane izvi, iwe unokurumidza kuguma nekurasikirwa kunosvika 3,5 kusvika 4,5 zviuru zveeuro pagore. Uye handizvo zvaisave chinangwa pawaifunga kuti uri kuhaya mazvikokota nemari yakawanda, uyo anobva aratidza kuti haasi mazvikokota asi anobhadhara zvinodhura!

 Ini handisi kunyora chinyorwa ichi semhosva kune vandinoshanda navo vane hanya. Pashure pezvose, ivo pachavo vanofanira kuziva kuti vanoda kushanda sei uye naizvozvo vane mutoro wazvo. Naizvozvo ndinorega nemaune kutaura mazita uye nyaya dzakabatana dzevanopa mazano vasingaite zvakanaka pachinhu ichi. Ini ndinovapa zano, kana vazoverenga Thailandblog, kwete kuenzanisa 'ABP' ne 'hurumende' mune ramangwana.

Ichi chinyorwa chinongotarisirwa seyambiro kune avo vanogona kusangana nechinhu chimwe chete, kureva vanogamuchira penjeni isiri yehurumende kubva kuABP. Kune avo vanowira mumaoko uye vanova vanyajambwa vevanachipangamazano vakadaro, ndinofunga zvinosiririsa, nepo ivo kazhinji vachifanira kubhadhara mutengo wepamusoro wekupihwa kwemabasa avo. Saka ndinodana munhu wose anofarira mudyandigere weABP: chenjerera uye unyatsoverenga chinyorwa ichi, nokuti hapana munhu, kunze kweDutch State, anobatsirwa nekubhadhara zviuru zvema euro pagore zvisingakoshi mumutero muNetherlands !

Hurongwa hwemutemo

Ini ndichatanga ndadonongodza hurongwa hwemutemo sezviri muZvinyorwa 18 ne19 zveChibvumirano uye zvinoenderana nezvakakodzera. Ipapo isu tichabvisa izvo uye isu tinokwanisa kuenda kune imwe substantive kurapwa kwenyaya iyi tobva tataura maererano nehuwandu kana vashoma vanhuwo zvavo.

"Chisungo 18. Penjeni uye annuities

  • 1 Zvichienderana nezvinopihwa mundima 19 yeChinyorwa ichi uye ndima XNUMX yeChitsauko XNUMX, penjeni nemimwe mubairo wakafanana maererano nebasa rekare rakabhadharwa kune mugari weimwe yeNyika, uye annuities inobhadharwa kune mugari akadaro, inongobhadharwa mune izvozvo. State.

Chisungo chegumi nepfumbamwe. Mabasa eHurumende

  • 1 Muhoro, unosanganisira penjeni, inobhadharwa kana kubva pamari yakagadzwa neimwe yeNyika kana chikamu chezvematongerwo enyika kana chiremera chenzvimbo yacho kumunhu maererano nemabasa anoitwa kuNyika iyoyo kana kupatsanurwa kana dare remasimba enzvimbo mukuita mabasa ehurumende anogona kubhadhariswa mutero muNyika iyoyo.
  • 2 Nekudaro, izvo zviri muChikamu 15, 16 kana 18 zvichashanda kumuhoro kana mudyandigere maererano nemasevhisi anoitwa ane chekuita nebhizinesi rekuita purofiti rinoitwa neimwe yeNyika kana kupatsanurwa kwezvematongerwo enyika kana masimba enzvimbo yacho.

Muchidimbu, izvi zvinoreva kuti penjeni yakawanikwa kubva kuNetherlands iri mutero muThailand (Chinyorwa 18(1) cheChibvumirano).

Izvi zvakasiyana kana mudyandigere uyu uchiwanikwa kubva kumabasa akaitwa nehurumende kare. Muchiitiko ichocho, Netherlands inogona kubhadharisa (Chinyorwa 19(1)). Munyaya yekutanga tinotaura nezvepenjeni pasi pemutemo wega. Muchiitiko chechipiri tinotaura nezvepenjeni pasi pemutemo wehurumende.

Nekudaro, kana iri kambani yeruzhinji yakanangana nepurofiti, bhenefiti yepenjeni, semudyandigere pasi pemutemo wakazvimirira, inobhadhariswa zvakare mutero muThailand (Chisungo 19(2) chakabatana neChinyorwa 18(1) cheChibvumirano).

Chaizvoizvo hazvina kuoma izvo zvaungataura, asi mukuita izvo zvinoita senge zvinoshanduka zvakasiyana uye kazhinji nemhedzisiro ine njodzi!

Iyo ABP nevatori vechikamu

  • ABP pakutanga yaive homwe yepenjeni yehurumende nedzidzo.
  • Masangano ese edzidzo anodiwa kuti ave akabatana neABP.
  • Pamusoro pezvo, masangano mazhinji ehurumende akazvimiririra kana akazvimiririra anodyidzana neABP.
  • Izvi zvinoshandawo kune dzakawanda masangano akazvimirira, ayo, seaimbova anonzi B-3 masangano, ane hukama hwepedyo nehurumende.

Kubva 2010, vashandirwi vakazvimirira vanogonawo kujoina ABP nekupihwa penjeni yevashandi vavo mune mamwe mamiriro. Masangano akashandisa sarudzo iyi anosanganisira: Nuon, Essent, Connexxion, Ziggo uye Veolia.

IABP saka inogara masangano akasiyana-siyana anowira pasi pehurumende (mutero muNetherlands mushure mekutamira kuThailand) uye asiri ehurumende (asina kubhadharwa muNetherlands mushure mekutamira kuThailand) zvikamu.

Dzidzo yeruzhinji uye yakakosha

Tese tinoziva mutsauko uripo pakati pezvikoro zvehurumende nezvakazvimiririra. Semuenzaniso, chikoro chepuraimari cheruzhinji chinowira pasi pesimba rekanzuru yekanzuru (ihurumende) nepo chikoro chepuraimari chakakosha, semubatanidzwa kana hwaro, chine bhodhi rayo uye kazhinji chinobva pane imwe chitendero chechitendero (chakavanzika)

Pamusoro pezvo, mudzidzisi wepachikoro chepuraimari chehurumende anoshandirwa ne'sangano renzvimbo inotongwa nemutemo wehurumende' (manicipality). Kunyangwe kugadzwa kwake kwekutanga unilateral nekanzuru yekanzuru kwakashandurwa kuita kondirakiti yebasa yakazvimirira nekutanga kushanda kweLegal Status yeVashandi veHurumende muDzidzo Act muna Ndira 1, 2020, achiri kunakidzwa nechinzvimbo chemushandi wehurumende. Nekuda kweizvozvo, mudzidzisi uyu anovaka penjeni yehurumende neABP, iyo inoramba ichibhadhariswa mutero muNetherlands mushure mekutamira kuThailand.

Nekudaro, izvi hazvishande kumudzidzisi wedzidzo yakakosha yepuraimari. Mudzidzisi uyu ane kondirakiti yebasa inofanirwa kupedzwa nemushandi nesangano (rakavanzika) kana hwaro uye saka haafarire chimiro chemushandi wehurumende. Muchiitiko ichocho, haazokwidzi chero mudyandigere wehurumende uye penjeni iyi haizobvisirwe mutero muNetherlands paunoenda kune imwe nyika.

Izvi zvinoshanda kubva kuzvikoro zvepuraimari kusvika kumayunivhesiti. Funga, semuenzaniso, iyo Rijks Universiteit Groningen (ihurumende) uye VU University Amsterdam (yakavanzika).

Pamusoro pezvo, iwe unogona zvakare kubata neinonzi hybrid pension mukati mechikamu chedzidzo, iyo inowedzerwa mukati mebazi rehurumende uye isingachapinde mukati mechikamu ichi mushure mekushambadzira. Kana zvakadaro, unofanira kupatsanura penjeni yeABP zvichienderana nehuwandu hwemakore ebasa.

Makambani ehurumende

Boka rakakosha rinoumbwa nemakambani eruzhinji anoita purofiti. Kana paine purofiti chaiyo kana kuti zvimwe kurasikirwa mune chero gore rakapihwa hazvina basa.

Isu tese tinorangarira aimbova makambani emagetsi ematunhu, akadai sePEB muFriesland panguva iyoyo. Havana kuita chero basa rakapihwa hurumende zviri pamutemo saka vanogona kuenzaniswa nekambani 'yakajairika', kureva pasi pemutemo wega.

Kare kare, rinenge kanzuru yega yega yaive neyayo 'fekitori yegasi/gasi kambani'. Wakabva watenga macoin kuhofisi yefekitari yegasi uye wobva wawana mukana wekuwana gasi zvakare.

Semienzaniso inozivikanwa kubva panguva ino, chikamu ichi chinosanganisira makambani ekufambisa emadhorobha eAmsterdam neRotterdam. Vashandi vemakambani emanisipala aya havaite basa rakapihwa hurumende zviri pamutemo uye nechikonzero ichocho havangatove pasi pechikamu cheChikamu 19(1) cheChibvumirano, kureva chakawanikwa kubva muhukama hwebasa hwehurumende. Zvakangodaro, zvakasarudzwa kutaura izvi zvakajeka muChinyorwa 19, ndima 2, yeChibvumirano, zvinoreva kuti Chisungo 18, ndima 1, yeChibvumirano chinoshanda kwavari uye, mushure mekutama, saka vanonakidzwa nekugara muThailand. pension kubva kuABP.

Mafomu ehurongwa akadai semapazi ebasa, anoitika kazhinji mumapurovhinzi nemanisipala, uye mirau yakabatana, iyo yaunowanzowana pakati pemanisiparati, haina kuverengerwa, pakuona kwekusiyana kwavo kukuru uye kusanyanya kukosha.

Semi-hurumende masangano

Pamusoro pezvo, vazhinji vaimbove vashandi vemasangano ehurumende vanowana penjeni kubva kuABP iyo isingakodzere sepenjeni yehurumende. Mushure mekutama, penjeni yavo saka haina mutero muNetherlands.

Semienzaniso ndinotaura yaimbova Bouwfonds Nederlandse Gemeenten (mazuva ano 'Bouwfonds' uye isisiri mumaoko emadhumeni), Bank (ye) Dutch Municipality (BNG) neNederlandse Waterschapsbank (NWB), kusvika nguva pfupi yadarika iyo UWV nemasangano anobva. iyo UWV yakatanga uye Center for Work and Income (CWI), iyo yakabatanidzwa muna 2009 neUWV neSVB.

Kubva muna Ndira 1, 2020, vashandi veUWV neSVB, pakati pevamwe, vachanakidzwa nechinzvimbo chevashandi vehurumende pasi pemutemo mutsva weCivil Servants Act uye vachawana penjeni yehurumende kubva pazuva iri. Pavanozoenda pamudyandigere, vanozofanirwa kubata nepenjeni yakasanganiswa (pamwe yakazvimirira uye chikamu chehurumende).

Chishandiso chakakosha pakuona kana mudyandigere wehurumende uriko

Pamusoro pemabasa ehurumende akajairwa anoitwa mukati mehurumende yenyika, mapurovhinzi, makanzuru kana mabhodhi emvura, iwo anotevera anodhawunirodheka pamusoro pemitemo yeruzhinji yakazvimirira masangano ekutonga ane hunhu hwavo hwepamutemo hwakagadzwa kana kuteedzera mutemo (huwandu hwemakumi mashanu nenomwe) uye muchidimbu. yemitemo yehurumende yakazvimirira masangano ekutonga sechikamu cheHurumende yeNetherlands (57 pamwe chete), zvakawanda zvakawanda zvinotungamirira kuongorora kana kune hurumende hukama hwebasa uye naizvozvo penjeni pasi pemutemo wehurumende kubva kuABP.

Masangano akazvimirira ekutonga ane basa shoma mumunda wekuita, zano kana kutonga. Havasi pasi pehutongi hwehutongi hwemushumiri.

Semienzaniso yesangano rakazvimirira rekutonga pasi pemutemo weruzhinji rine hunhu hwaro hwepamutemo, ndingataura:

  1. Chiremera chemunhu data;
  2. Central Administration Office (CAK);
  3. Central Bureau of Driving Skills (CBR);
  4. Statistics Netherlands (CBS);
  5. Social Insurance Bank (SVB);
  6. Employee Insurance Agency (UWV).

Kuti uwane muono wakazara weaya masangano akazvimiririra ekutonga pasi pemutemo weruzhinji, ona: https://www.inspectie-oe.nl/toezichtvelden/overheidsinformatie/geinspecteerde-instellingen/publiekrechtelijke-zelfstandige-bestuursorganen

 Nekuda kweNormalization yeLegal Status yeCivil Servants Act (Wnra), vashandi veSVB neUWV, pakati pevamwe, vanowira pasi pechikamu chemutemo mutsva weVashandi veHurumende kubvira 1 Ndira 2020. Sezvatotaurwa, vachawana penjeni pasi pemutemo wehurumende kubva musi uyu uye vachazowana penjeni yakasanganiswa mushure mekuenda pamudyandigere.

Kukosha kweiyo nguva yebasa yekutarisa kweABP

Kana ndichifanira kuisa mutero wekubhadhara mutero kune mutengi, kwandinoona kuti mutengi uyu (zvakare) anogamuchira rubatsiro rwepenjeni kubva kuABP, chinhu chekutanga chandinoita ndechokukumbira nguva yebasa kubva kuABP. Iwe unogona kukurumidza kufungidzira kubva pane izvi kana munhu asina basa rehurumende. Pamusoro pezvo, ruzivo rwangu rwemutemo wekutonga, unozivikanwawo semutemo wekutonga uye kutonga hukama pakati pehurumende nevagari, unouya zvakanaka.

Icho chokwadi chekuti havasi vese vanopa mazano vanoita izvi kana vane ruzivo urwu chave kuoneka kwandiri zvakare. Nenguva pfupi, kuburikidza nechinyorwa chandakatumira uye kuburikidza nemibvunzo yevaverengi nemhinduro muThailand blog, nyaya dzinoverengeka dzakaongororwa, izvo zvakaratidza kuti vapi vemazano vemitero vari mubvunzo vaive vasina kukodzera kuwana mudyandigere weABP semudyandigere wehurumende uye nekudaro vakabhadharisawo mutero. muNetherlands mushure mekutama. Sezvineiwo, ichi chiitiko chegore negore. Kazhinji izvi zvinosanganisira:

  1. vaichimbova vadzidzisi vedzidzo inokosha;
  2. Vatori vechikamu veABP vakashandira bhizimusi reruzhinji rine purofiti (Chinyorwa 19(2) cheChibvumirano);
  3. Vatori vechikamu veABP vakashandira sangano rehurumende.

Kuti inyaya yehusimbe here iyi kana kusaziva vanachipangamazano ava chokwadi chinondinetsa kuti nditonge. Sezvineiwo, usimbe uye kusaziva zviri pedyo zvikuru pamwe chete munyaya iyi. Mushure mezvose, usimbe hunokurumidza kutungamirira mukusaziva.

Pakupedzisira

Iwe (zvakare) unogamuchira bhenefiti yepenjeni kubva kuABP uye hauna chokwadi chekuti penjeni iyi iri kubhadhariswa mutero nemazvo, ndapota inzwa wakasununguka kundibata pa: [email inodzivirirwa]. Zvichida iwewo unogona kuchengetedza zviuru zveeuro pagore, sezvandinowanzosangana nevatengi. Uye kana zvine chekuita nemakore akati wandei, kubva muna 2016 iwe unogona kuramba uchiendesa chikumbiro kune inspector kuti iongororwe zviri pamutemo kuongororwa kwekupedzisira kwakagamuchirwa kwemakore iwayo. Makore mashoma apfuura, kune mumwe wevatengi vangu, izvi zvakatobatanidza kudzoserwa kweanenge € 30.000 mumutero unobhadharwa zvisina kufanira. Uye zvino zvimwe chete zvinoitika zvakare. Kana iwe ukazounza mari yakadai sekuchengetedza muThailand uye uchigona kurarama nayo gore rose, hauchafanira kubhadhara Mutero Wemari Yemunhu nekuti dhipoziti yekuchengetera inozodzokororwa gore negore.

Lammert de Haan, nyanzvi yemitero (anonyanya pamutemo wemitero yepasi rose uye inishuwarenzi yemagariro).

Mamwe mashoko

39 mhinduro kune "Unopirepi penjeni yako yeABP?"

  1. Erik anoti kumusoro

    Ndinokutendai nemupiro uyu unogona kubatsira vanhu vakawanda. Hapana anofarira kubhadhara mutero, asi kubhadhara zvakanyanya ibhiriji zvakanyanya kureba!

  2. Bertie anoti kumusoro

    Ndatenda netsanangudzo yenyu…. 🙂

  3. whoops anoti kumusoro

    Wadiwa Lambert,

    Ndinokutendai netsanangudzo yakajeka.
    Kusaona sango remiti yese ine chekuita nemitero neABP.
    Ini zvino ndakazonzwisisa kuti hapana kwandiri. Ndagara ndiri mushandi wehurumende mumadhipatimendi akasiyana-siyana. Handina kumbonzwisisa kuti nei mumwe munhu aibhadhariswa mutero uye mumwe wacho asiri mudyandigere weABP muNetherlands. Uye nekuda kwemameseji ese, paigara paine kupokana. Ini ndichaverenga zvinyorwa pamusoro pepensheni yeABP uye mitero yeDutch pane ino blog ine zvishoma mubereko kana kusazvidza.

    whoops

    • Lammert de Haan anoti kumusoro

      Wauya, Janderk.

      Iwe zvino unonzwisisa kuti hapana mukati mako iwe, ikozvino iwe wava nepenjeni yehurumende. Asi chaizvoizvo handisati ndanzwisisa. Asi izvo zviri pamwero wakasiyana.

      Handinzwisise kuti sei uchifanira kubata penjeni yeaimbova mushandi wePhilips, akazvipira hupenyu hwake hwese hwekushanda kune bhizinesi hombe, kureva vagovani vePhilips, zvakasiyana nepenjeni yehurumende yeaimbove mushandi. wemanisiparati, akapa upenyu hwake hwose hwekushanda kunharaunda nokuva nechokwadi chokuti unogona kuva nechokwadi chokuti imba yauri kuvaka yaizadzisa zvose zvinodiwa pakuchengeteka.
      Chirongwa chekuvaka chakanyatsoongororwa chinoratidzika kwandiri sechinokosha kupfuura chePhilips shaver.

      Ergo: sei uchifanira kuteresa penjeni yeABP yeaimbove mudzidzisi wedzidzo yeruzhinji muNetherlands, nepo mudyandigere weABP weaimbove mudzidzisi wedzidzo yepamusoro unobhadhariswa mutero muThailand mushure mekutama? Dzidzo mbiri idzi dzinozopihwa mari nehurumende.

      Saka ini ndinoona kupatsanurwa uku kuve kukanganisa kukuru muDutch mutero mutemo / chibvumirano mutemo!

      Uye kana uchigara muThailand, unogona kubhadhara mutero wemuhoro wakawanda papenjeni yako yehurumende pane zvazvaizoita dai uchiri kugara muNetherlands. Thailand ipapo haina kodzero dzemitero. Saka haugone kushandisa zvivakwa zvemutero zveThai, senge zvakasiyana-siyana zvisingabhadharwi, kudzikiswa uye mvumo yemahara.
      Nepo Netherlands chete ine kodzero yekubhadharisa mutero newe, iwe zvakare unowira munzira maererano nenzvimbo dzemutero dzeDutch, senge kiredhiti yemutero uye kubviswa.

      Iwe unongova mhou yemari yeNyika yeNetherlands. Nepo iwe uchigara kumusoro uye kwakaoma kumwe kuThailand, iwe unopa zvakati wandei kumitengo yekusimbisa madhayi egungwa kupfuura munhu anogara muNetherlands. Kwaari, mabasa aya anonyanya kukosha kuti ave nechokwadi chekuchengeta tsoka dzake dzakaoma.
      Thailand inewo matambudziko ayo emvura. Asi nekuda kwekuti iwe watove uchibatsira kune iyo yeNetherlands, haufanirwe kuita imwe mupiro muThailand. Thailand pachayo inokonzera izvozvo.

      Uye ndiyo nzira iyo Netherlands yakaparadzanisa zvinhu 'neatly': mabhenefiti asi kwete mitoro! Kana kuti izvi hazvina kunaka here?

      • Fred van lamoon anoti kumusoro

        Mangwanani Lambert,

        Ndinobvumirana nemi zvizere. Handinzwisisewo musiyano iwoyo. Ita mutsauko ZVINOITA!!!!! hahahaha. Izvi zvinoshandawo kune yako AOW. Iwe zvakare unobhadhara mutero wekubhadhara muNetherlands kune izvi. Vemudyandigere vari kutorohwa zvakaipisisa. Wadii kuvapa iyo diki diki yekubatsira muchikamu chekupedzisira chehupenyu hwavo.

        Kwaziwai
        Fred Ayutthaya

      • khun Moo anoti kumusoro

        Zvichida imhaka yekuti vazhinji vepenjeni yeABP (2/3) muhukama hwehurumende inobhadharwa kubva kuhomwe yehurumende uye nokudaro mari yemutero kubva kune vagari venyika, izvo zvisiri izvo kune vamwe vashandi.

        kureva mushandirwi wehurumende 17,97% uye iwe 7,93%.

        • Lammert de Haan anoti kumusoro

          Bye khun Moo.

          Izvi hazvitsananguri mutsauko mukurapwa kwepenjeni yeABP yeaimbove mudzidzisi weveruzhinji uye aimbove mudzidzisi wedzidzo yakakosha. Dzidzo dzese dziri mbiri dzinopihwa mari nehurumende kubva kumari yakawanda/mutero.

          Pamusoro pezvo, hapana Sinterklaas yehurumende. Kuti ndienderere mberi nemienzaniso yangu yekutanga, manenji anotengesa mvumo yekuvaka uye Philips shavers.

          Mutengi anobhadhara mutengo wekutenga shaver kubva kuPhilips. Pamusoro pezvo, mutengi mumwe cheteyo anobhadhara mutengo wekutenga zvinhu zvakabatanidzwa uye masevhisi kubva kuhurumende nenzira yemitero uye yekutenga zvinhu zvega nesevhisi nenzira yemubhadharo.

          Iyo 'mutengi' inogara iri magumo.

          • khun Moo anoti kumusoro

            Sezvo mudzidzisi wedzidzo inokosha asina kondirakiti yebasa nehurumende, handioni chikonzero nei achifanira kubatwa somukuru mukuru wehurumende yeABP nokuda kwezvinangwa zvemitero.

            Kune vakawanda, penjeni yave isingachakwanisiki.

            Ongororo yakaitwa namaneja weasethi BlackRock inoratidza kuti 52% yevaDutch havatore penjeni yekuwedzera kuwedzera kuAOW.

  4. john koh chang anoti kumusoro

    zvakawanda zvekuverenga asi saka zvakanyatsojeka kune wese wandinofunga. Kudos !!

  5. gerritsen anoti kumusoro

    Hi Lammert,
    kubvumirana zvachose.
    Uye, nekupihwa maitiro andakakunda maererano nemagadzirirwo enzvimbo yekugara, - uye izvo zviri pahwaro hwemutemo weThai uye kwete nezvinodikanwa nemuongorori weDutch uye anozviita, -
    ipapo vanhu vazhinji vachawedzera kufara.
    Iniwo ndinoona kuti zvinhu zvinowanzoenda zvisina kunaka nekuongororwa kwekudzivirira kubva kumatare emitero eDutch maererano, semuenzaniso, kubhadhara kweannuity kubva kuNetherlands.
    Iyo ipfungwa zvakare.

  6. Frits anoti kumusoro

    Wadiwa Lambert.

    Ini ndatova nepenjeni yeABP (imwe chikamu kubva kuhurumende) kubvira 2015, asi ini handina kunyoreswa nevatungamiriri vemitero yeThai. Ndichiri kukumbira kuongororwa kwe ex officio?

    • Lammert de Haan anoti kumusoro

      Hi Frits,

      Ndinonzwisisa kuti unonakidzwa nepenjeni yakasanganiswa kubva kuABP: chikamu chehurumende uye chikamu chisiri chehurumende. Chikamu chehurumende chinoramba chiri mutero muNetherlands mushure mekutama. Thailand inogona kubhadharisa chikamu chisiri chehurumende kana iwe wakapa chikamu icho kuThailand mugore rekunakidzwa nacho.

      Zvichienderana netarisiro yenguva yesevhisi yeABP (iyo inogona kudhawunirodha kuburikidza ne'My ABP'), iwe unofanirwa kuita kupatsanurwa kuita 'chikamu chehurumende' uye 'chakavanzika chikamu'.

      Iwe uchiri kukwanisa kuisa mutero wekubhadhara mutero kana kutumira chikumbiro chekuderedza zviri pamutemo kuongororwa kwechokwadi kwakatosimbiswa kubva muna 2016. Kana iwe usina kumbofanira kutumira kudzoka kana kuve nekuongorora kwenguva pfupi kwemakore, ipapo unongotumira kudzoka uye kana zvisina kudaro iwe unofanirwa kuendesa chikumbiro chekuderedzwa kweex officio kweyekupedzisira ongororo dzakatotangwa.

      Unonyora kuti hauna kunyoresa neThai Tax Authorities. Mune mamwe mazwi: muThailand hautore mutero wekudzoka. Handikwanise kutonga kuti izvi zvaifanira kunge zvaitika. Nekudaro, chokwadi ichi hachireve kuti kodzero yekubhadharisa yako yakavanzika ABP penjeni inodzokera kuNetherlands. .

      • Frits anoti kumusoro

        Wadiwa Lambert.

        Zvisinei, ndinofunga kuti ndanyanyononoka. Mushure mezvose, ini handikwanise kuendesa "Chirevo chemutero wemutero munyika yekugara" mumakore mashanu apfuura….?

        • Lammert de Haan anoti kumusoro

          Izvo hazvina basa, Frits. Paunenge uchinyorera mutero kana kuendesa chikumbiro chewongororo yepamutemo yezvekupedzisira kuongororwa kwakatoiswa, haufanirwe kuendesa 'Chirevo chemutero wemutero munyika yaunogara'.

  7. Chris anoti kumusoro

    Penjeni yangu yakavanzika uye yangu yepenjeni yeABP haina mutero muNetherlands.
    Ndanga ndichishanda muThailand kubvira 2006 uye ndinobhadhara mutero wangu wemuhoro uye nekudaro ndine nhamba yemutero yeThai.
    Ndakanyorera kuti ndirege kubhadhara mitero yepenjeni yangu.

    • gerritsen anoti kumusoro

      Chris,
      izvo ndizvo chaizvo sezvaunoreva kuti Netherlands haingabvisi chero chinhu kubva kune iwo penjeni, kuti iyo mabhenefiti agency haichabvisi chero chinhu muNetherlands uye kuti inofanira kuziviswa muThailand.

  8. Cornelis anoti kumusoro

    Hauna kunge waverenga tsananguro yaLammert….

    • Fred van lamoon anoti kumusoro

      Wadiwa Kornerio,

      Ini ndinotaura nyaya yangu, marongedzero andakaita kurashikirwa kwangu kwekutanga. Mudzimai wangu adzidzisa accounting kwemakore anoda kusvika makumi mana. Anoziva mutemo wemutero weThai uye zvinopinda nekubuda mukubhadhara mutero neThais. Rishandise kukunakira. Pane zvakawanda zvekutarisa muNetherlands. Havagoni kudzora zvakawanda pano. Chinenge chose chiri hurumende inyongano. Ingotarisa mutemo une chekuita neCovid. Nezvemudyandigere wenyika, irworwo ruzivo rwandinarwo parizvino. Ini hachizove chijana changu kusvika makore mashanu kubva ikozvino. Tichaona kuti chii ipapo.

      Kwaziwai
      Fred

  9. Albert anoti kumusoro

    Izvi zvinoshandawo kana wakaendesa pension yega kuABP wozoshanda semushandi wehurumende.
    Kwandiri, makore gumi nemaviri ePGGM pension accrual akabatsira kuABP, ABP accrual 12 makore.
    2/3 yemubhadharo wepenjeni inobhadhariswa muNetherlands uye 1/3 inobhadharwa muThailand.

    • Evert van der Weide anoti kumusoro

      Albert, ndakatamisa PGGM kuABP kwemakore gumi nematatu. Kusvika parizvino, kiyi iyi yekugovera haisati yamboshandiswa kumutero pakati peThailand-Netherlands kana ikozvino France-Netherlands. Unowana rubatsiro rwakadii kubva pazviri?

      • Albert anoti kumusoro

        Nekuti mari inowanikwa muNetherlands haisisiri mutero wepamusoro-soro uye unogona kushandisa kuregererwa kunodiwa muThailand, ndinochengetedza 5000 euros pagore.

        Tsvaga painternet "ECLI:NL:RBBRE:2011:BP7009" kuti uwane mutongo wedare.

        • Fred van lamoon anoti kumusoro

          Hello,

          Ndinofunga zvakawanda. 400000 yekugezera yatove 10000 euros neiyo ikozvino shanduko mwero. uye iwe unobhadharawo 3 kana 4 muzana shoma mutero wekubhadhara.

          Kwaziwai Fred
          Ayutthaya

      • Fred van lamoon anoti kumusoro

        MuThailand zvakakosha. Mutero wemuhoro ndeye 3 kana 4% yakaderera uye yega Thai (uye saka newewo) haafanire kubhadhara mutero pa400.000 yekutanga yekugeza. Izvi zvakatonyanya kubva pamudyandigere wako. Zvakawanda sei handichaziva izvozvi.. Izvo zvinowanwa nyore. Iwe unongofanira kuisa mune imwe nhamburiko.
        Ini zvino ndine pension yangu yekutanga gross / mambure kwemakore mana. Kurega kwangu kuchapedza mamwe makore mashanu

        Kwaziwai Fred
        Ayutthaya

  10. WHMJ anoti kumusoro

    Semukuru weTax Authorities akarega basa. Kunze kwenyika muHeerlen kurumbidza kukuru kwetsananguro yakajeka uye yakarurama maererano nepenjeni yeABP. Kunyange vashandi vebasa iri havazivi kuti rinoshanda sei uye vanopa ruzivo rusina kururama !!!

    • Eric Kuypers anoti kumusoro

      WHMJ, izvo hazvindishamise.

      Ndinoyeuka zvakanaka kuti 'Heerlen Abroad' aida kuunza mari yekutumira (art 27 chibvumirano) uye vanosungirwa kune vanoenda kune dzimwe nyika kuti mari yepenjeni iendeswe kubva kuNL yakananga kuThailand, asi Dare Repamusorosoro rakanga rakajeka pamusoro peizvi. Ndakanamira mutsipa wangu kune mukuru webasa iroro, usataure mazita, asi akanga ari mumwe mukadzi akanga asingazivi kuti akakurumidza sei kubvisa 'jongwe' yake ndokubvuma kukanganisa kwake.

      Chikonzero here? Zvakanaka, yakanga isiri iyo pfungwa. Tsamba kune vose vanobatanidzwa? Vachiri kumirira izvozvo. Mari yekutumira yadzikira, ndatenda.

      Ndinonzwisisa kuti zviremera zvemitero zviri kurongwa patsva uye kuti hapana ruzivo chairwo rwakakwana rwasara. Izvozvo zvinosiririsa mugari. Tinoyeuka nyaya yekuwedzera iyo yakasvibisa sevhisi iyoyo. Ndave ndiri chipangamazano wemitero kwemakore makumi mashanu uye ndakakwanisa kushanda nevashandi vehurumende ivavo, asi zvinosuruvarisa kuti ndaifanirawo kuona kuti ruzivo rwavo rwechokwadi rwakanyanya kuderera. Zvinosuruvarisa, mafungiro okuti 'tose tinozviziva, ingozvigamuchira' zvakaramba zviripo.

      • gerritsen anoti kumusoro

        izvo ndizvo. mari yekubhadhara haishande kune isiri yehurumende penjeni yakagoverwa kuThailand chete yemutero.

    • Lammert de Haan anoti kumusoro

      Zuva re WHMJ,

      Ndatenda nekurumbidza kwenyu.

      Ini ndinogovera maonero ako nezve hunyanzvi pane ino poindi yevashandi veMutero uye Customs Administration/Hofisi Kunze kwenyika. Kunyangwe kana vaine mukana weiyo nguva yebasa yeABP, kazhinji hazvigoneke kuita huremu hwakakodzera hwekukamura kuita mudyandigere wehurumende uye wepachivande, apo zvinhu zvakasiyana zvenguva-yenguva uye zviyero zvekuyera zvinoita basa.

      Ini ndinodawo kunongedzera ekupedzisira kuti 'ita-iwe-iwe pachako'.
      Semuenzaniso, kana wakashanda mudzidzo yeruzhinji kwemakore makumi maviri uine chikamu chenguva che 20 (kwete basa renguva yakazara), izvi zvinoverengera semakore 0,7303.
      Kana wakashanda kwemakore makumi maviri mudzidzo yakakosha ine chikamu chenguva-yenguva ye20 (basa renguva yakazara), iwe pakupedzisira unenge uine 1 makore akazara ebasa uye unofanira kupatsanura penjeni yeABP kuita 34,6/14,6 penjeni yehurumende uye makumi maviri / 34,6. 20 penjeni yega.

      Zvinova zvakanyanya kuoma kana iwe wakagamuchirawo mabhenefiti kubva kuUWV kanoverengeka neakasiyana-siyana-nguva zvinhu uye kuyerwa kukosha kwe50%. Zvino unomanikidzwa kuita izvi muchirongwa chekuverenga, seExcel.

  11. Eric Donkaew anoti kumusoro

    Ndatenda Lammert. Inotaridzika chaizvo nyanzvi uye yakavimbika.
    Ndakashanda kusangano redzidzo kwemakore 24. Yokutanga (inenge) makore mana sesangano rehurumende, zvino yakava nheyo, saka iwe unogona kuti: makore mana ehurumende uye makore makumi maviri ega. Saka hybrid ABP mudyandigere, ine kusimbaradza pakavanzika.
    Asi ikozvino ndaifunga kuti ndanzwa kumwe kuti kana basa reABP rakatanga ruzhinji, harichakwanisi kuve rakavandika. Saka kwandiri makore makumi maviri nemana emudyandigere weveruzhinji weABP, anobhadhariswa mutero muNetherlands. Asi unofunga kuti izvi zvakarurama here? Haisati ichitamba, asi iri kuuya.

    • Lammert de Haan anoti kumusoro

      Zvawanzwa, Eric, unofanira kukurumidza kutaura zvakanaka, nekuti hapana chingave kure kubva kuchokwadi.

      Mumakore ekuma80, mafungu echokwadi ekutengeserana akaitika mudzidzo kunyanya. Haasi ese mapurojekiti akabudirira zvakaenzana. Hazvina kashoma zvichiperekedzwa nekudzikira kwemhando yedzidzo.

      Asi chero zvingave zvakadaro, mushure mekushambadzira iwe uri kubata nepenjeni yakasanganiswa: mushure mekubvakacha chikamu chemutero muNetherlands uye chikamu chemutero muThailand. Pahwaro hwenguva yebasa rekutarisa kweABP (iyo inogona kutorwa kuburikidza ne 'My ABP') unogona kukurumidza kuziva maitiro ekuita chikamu. Tora mufunge zvimwe zvakasiyana chikamu-nguva chinhu (pasi pe100%).

      • Eric Donkaew anoti kumusoro

        Izvi ndezvechokwadi pamusoro pemafungu eprivatization mudzidzo. Zvisinganzwisisike, dzaive nhengo dzePvdA dzakafambisa iyi privatization wave. Ndinorangarira Ritzen, Wallage uye pakupedzisira Kok. Aive Wim Kok akambozvirega zvichitsvedza kuti aisada gadziriro yese yedzidzo uye aitoda kuibvisa. Kusanganisira kudzingwa kwevanhu vakawanda, hongu. Kutenda kune privatization, izvo zvishoma zvishoma zvakadzingwa mabasa zvakaitika zvakadaro. Ndakapona nepaburi retsono panguva iyi.

        Asi chinyorwa chako chinoshamisa igwaro rakakosha, chiratidziro pano pane blog. Ndakakopa ndokunamira ndokuiisa pahard drive yangu segwaro, kusanganisira kurumbidza kunoreva kweWHMJ.

        Kana ndikatadza kuzvinzwisisa nenguva yakafanira, ndoziva pekukuwana iwe uye unogona kundiona semutengi. Ndatenda zvakare!

  12. Ferdinand P.I anoti kumusoro

    Hi Lambert,

    Ndinokutendai zvikuru netsanangudzo iyi.
    Ndosaka ndakamboongorora basa rangu mudzidzo.
    kubva Kukadzi 1, 1978 kusvika Chikunguru 31, 1994 ndakashanda pachikoro chehunyanzvi (chaive hwaro) = yakavanzika
    kubva munaChikunguru 1, 1995 kusvika Chikunguru 31, 2017 chaive chikoro chekanzuru (mushure mekubatana) = yeruzhinji.

    Ndanga ndichigara muThailand kubva muna Chikunguru uye ndine chiyero chakakwana mubhangi reThai kuti ndisangane nemari yekuwana / chiyero chekutama uye handifanirwe kuendesa chero mari pamwedzi.
    Ini zvino ndichararama kwemakore mashoma anotevera kubva kune purofiti yeimba yangu yakatengeswa muNL uye ndine penjeni yangu muNL ibhadharwe muakaundi yangu yazvino.

    Mushure megore ndinokwanisa kuendesa imwe mari kuThailand, uye ndofunga imari yekuchengetedza. Kuchengeta hakuna mutero muThailand.
    Ini ndinongobhadhara mutero muNL papenjeni yangu. Ndakaverenga chinhu chakadai pane blog kamwe.

    kwaziso
    Ferdinand P.I

    • Lammert de Haan anoti kumusoro

      Ndizvo chaizvo, Ferdinand, asi kazhinji zvinongouya kubva pagore remutero 2022. Ndinofungidzira kuti hauzadzise zvinodiwa nemazuva e2021. Izvi zvinoreva kuti kana iwe uchiri kuendesa mari kuThailand gore rino, iyo mari haizobvisirwe mutero muThailand.

      Verenga zvinotaurwa neThai Revenue department nezve izvi pawebhusaiti yayo:

      "Vateresi vanoiswa mu" mugari" uye "asiri mugari". "Mugari" zvinoreva chero munhu anogara muThailand kwenguva kana nguva dzinopfuura 180 mazuva mune chero mutero (karenda) gore. Mugari wemuThailand ane mhosva yekubhadhara mutero pamari inowanwa kubva kuThailand pamwe nechikamu cheMUNO CHEKUBVA KUNHU ZVINOUNZWA KUTHAILAND. Asi asiri mugari, zvisinei, ari pasi pemutero chete pamari inowanikwa kubva kuThailand. ”

      Sezvineiwo, chibvumirano chemutero chakapetwa kaviri chakapedzwa pakati peNetherlands neThailand chinotora mazuva anopfuura 183.

      • gerritsen anoti kumusoro

        Ferdinand,

        chibvumirano chakasimba. Zvadaro ndezvekugara. Kana ukagara muThailand kweanopfuura makore zana nemakumi masere, mutemo weThai chete ndiwo wakakosha.Uye inoratidza zvakataurwa pamusoro. Unogona kushandisa mazuva ekupinda nekubuda zvitambi sehumbowo. Zvinoenderana nemaitiro akahwinwa neni, izvo zvakakwana. Zvimwe zvingadiwa nemuongorori hazvina basa.
        Pamazuva e180 iwe uri mugari saka unotorwa semunhu anobhadhariswa mutero weThai.
        Pakukumbira, muongorori weDutch anoburitsa kuregererwa kubva pakubata mutero wemuhoro kune homwe yepenjeni isingabhadhare penjeni yehurumende.
        Nezvekukumbira kuderedzwa kweex officio: kana nguva yekupokana pane yakakodzera yekupedzisira mutero wemutero yapera, ipapo chete chikumbiro chekuderedzwa kweex officio chinosara. Inspector anobva aita danho rekuita kana kusagadzirisa chikumbiro ichocho.

        • Lammert de Haan anoti kumusoro

          Chibvumirano chiri kutungamira zvechokwadi. Zvisinei, nguva yakataurwa imomo inodarika mazuva 183. Asi icho chinhu chidiki chete.

          Chikamu chekupedzisira chemhinduro yako kunyanya chine zvakawanda zvisina kururama, kusakwana kana kusiiwa zvekungozvisiya, Mr Gerritsen.

          Iwe unonyora kuti: "Kana nguva yekupikisa yapera, CHETE chikumbiro chekudzikisa zviri pamutemo chinosara."

          Izvozvo hazvina kunaka. Kana iwe usiri munyori akanaka kudaro uye iwe uchida kugadzirisa mutero wako wekudzoka, iwe unogona zvakare kungoendesa mutero mutsva kudzoka. Ona kuti ungazviita sei pa:
          https://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/wcm/connect/nl/belastingaangifte/content/ik-heb-een-foutje-ontdekt

          Kudzoserwa kwemutero kwakadzoserwa kunoonekwa sechikumbiro chekuderedzwa kwe ex officio uye ichaitwa saizvozvo.

          Maonero ako: "Muongorori anobva aita danho rekuti agadzirise chikumbiro ichocho kana kuti kwete" inoratidza huwandu hwepamusoro hwekusazvipira kune chikamu chemuongorori. Sekuti: “Mangwanani eMuvhuro handisati ndanzwa kuda. Naizvozvo, handisi kuzofunga nezvechikumbiro ichi.

          Asi handiwo mashandire azvinoita Inspector anosungwa nemirairo yakasiyana-siyana, sekutaurwa kwazvinoitwa muIncome Tax Act 2001, General State Tax Act uye General Administrative Law Act.

          Ingoverenga zvinotaurwa neIncome Tax Act 2001 nezve izvi (kana zvakakodzera):

          "Chinyorwa 9.6. Mitemo yakakosha yekuderedzwa kwe ex officio

          • 1 Kuderedzwa kwepamutemo kwekuongorora mutero kunoitika chete pahwaro hwechinyorwa chino.
          • 3 Kana muteresi akaita chikumbiro chekuderedzwa kwe ex officio uye chikumbiro ichocho chikarambwa chose kana kuti chikamu, inspector ANOSARUDZA izvi muchisarudzo chakavhurika kupokana.

          "Chokwadi" inosungirwa uye kwete sarudzo!

          Kune inspector, nguva yesarudzo yekukumbira kuderedzwa kwepamutemo mavhiki masere. Mune mamwe mazwi: anofanira kunyatsofunga nezvechikumbiro uye kusarudza pachiri. Muchiitiko che (chikamu) kurambwa kwechikumbiro, sarudzo yake inogona kukwidzwa.

          Kana muongorori akasazadzisa zvisungo zvake, muteresi ane sarudzo dzakasiyana siyana, dzakadai se:
          a) kuzivisa kuti muongorori haakodzeri, zvichienderana nechirango;
          b. mitemo yekupa kupokana uye pakupedzisira kukwidza nekuda kwekunyepedzera kurambwa kwechikumbiro.

          • Erik anoti kumusoro

            Lammert, ndinofara kuti unoda kudonhedza i's uye kuyambuka iyo t zvakare uye zvakare.

            Kunyangwe ini ndichinzwisisa kuti basa rave rakaoma zvekuti havasi vese vanorinzwisisa; mushure mezvose, mutemo unongova nemakore makumi maviri ... :)

          • gerritsen anoti kumusoro

            Isu tinenge tichibvumirana.
            Chete kana kudzoka kwemutero kwekupedzisira kwakatumirwa kunoteverwa nekuongorora kwekupedzisira iyo nguva yekupikisa yapera, ipapo chikumbiro che ex officio chinoramba chiripo. Pashure pezvose, kunonoka kunonoka.
            Muchiitiko ichocho chekupedzisira, kudzoka kutsva kwegore rimwe chete kunozoendeswa kunze uye mushure mokunge nguva yemutemo yapera uye ichaonekwa sechipokanero, iyo inozononoka. Inspector anogona kuzotora izvi sechikumbiro chekuderedzwa kwe ex officio.

            Panzvimbo pekupikisa panguva yakakodzera, mutero mutsva wenguva yakakodzera unogonawo kuendeswa, iyo inobva yabatwa sechipokane panguva.
            Uye zvechokwadi, maitiro echikumbiro che ex officio nemuongorori anofanira kuitwa nemazvo. Izvo zvinoenda pasina kutaura. Maitiro ako ekukurudzira ari pamubhadharo wako.

          • gerritsen anoti kumusoro

            Uye, kana ari mazuva iwayo.
            Chibvumirano chinoti "Nechinangwa cheChibvumirano ichi, izwi rekuti "mugari weimwe yeNyika" rinoreva chero munhu, pasi pemitemo yeNyika iyoyo, anosungirwa kubhadharisa mutero imomo nekuda kwekwaanogara, kwaanogara, nzvimbo yekutonga kana chero mamwe mamiriro akafanana." Uye muThailand, pasi pemutemo weThai, kuzviisa pasi kunomuka pamazuva 180 !!
            Zvingori zvidiki.

      • Ferdinand P.I anoti kumusoro

        Ndakanga ndiri muThailand muna 2021 kubva 1/1/21 kusvika 28/3/21 = 87 mazuva
        Zvino ndakaenda kuNL pakati uye ndakadzoka kuThailand pa28/7/21
        kubva 28/7/21 kusvika 31/12/21 = 157 mazuva .. Pakazara ipapo goho 244 mazuva .. saka ini ndichave muThailand kwemazuva anopfuura 183 gore rino.

  13. Mark59 anoti kumusoro

    Verenga meseji yacho nemacomments uchifarira. Mubvunzo wangu: Pangave nerusarura here? Mumwe anowana kodzero shoma pane mumwe. Zvichida pfungwa yekuisa chichemo kuHuman Rights Council?


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