Dutch state pensioners muThailand
Pakutanga kwemwedzi uno, Social Insurance Bank (SVB) yakazivisa mushumo wayo wegore ra2018 kuti 290.909 yevatengi vavo vari kugara kunze kwenyika. Iyo ingangoita 8% yehuwandu hwevanhu vanowana penjeni yeAOW kubva kuSVB.
“Vatorwa” ivavo vanogara kupi?
Ruzhinji rwevagamuchiri veAOW kunze kwenyika vanogara munyika dzakavakidzana nesu, Belgium neGermany. Dzimwe nyika dzinogara vakawanda vanotambira penjeni yehurumende iSpain, Turkey neUnited States.
Pamusoro 15 AOW nyika
Rondedzero yenyika gumi neshanu dzepamusoro panogara maDutch state pensioners ndeiyi inotevera:
- Belgium: 65.594
- Germany: 47.211
- Spain: 44.905
- Turkey: 23.232
- United States: 16.134
- Kanadha: 14.237
- France: 13.993
- Australia: 12.817
- Moroko: 12.748
- Great Britain: 11.945 XNUMX
- Italy: 7.185
- Switzerland: 5.509
- Portugal: 5.374 XNUMX
- Curacao: 5.038
- New Zealand: 4.627
Vakwegura vepenjeni muThailand uye nyika dzakapoteredza
Ini, pamwe sewe, ndaifarira kuziva kuti vangani vanogamuchira penjeni yehurumende vanogara muThailand. Kuti ndiwane ruzivo pamusoro peizvi, ndakabata SVB. Mhinduro yakauya nekukurumidza uye ndinogona kuwedzera kune rondedzero yenyika. Lisa Simons anobva kuSVB akandipa data kwete kubva kuThailand chete, asiwo kubva kunyika dzakavakidzana. Akandizivisa:
“MuThailand mune vanhu 1607 63 vanogamuchira penjeni, 15 kuVietnam, 209 kuCambodia uye XNUMX kuMalaysia. Chero zvazvingava, nhamba idzi idiki zvekuti handikwanise kugovera nekuda kwezvikonzero zvekuvanzika. ”
Saka, tinoziva izvozvo zvakare. Ini handikwanise kukuudza kuti Thailand yave papi padanho mushure menyika gumi neshanu dzepamusoro, asi haizove yakanyanya kukwirira.
Basa renhamba
Ndakaita masvomhu. Kana nhamba yevakagamuchira AOW kunze kwenyika ingangoita mazana matatu ezviuru uyewo iri 300.000% yehuwandu hwevagamuchiri veAOW, saka huwandu hwayo hunosvika zviuru zvitatu nemazana matanhatu, kana kupfuura 8% yehuwandu hwechiDutch hwemamiriyoni gumi nemanomwe vane kodzero yeAOW.
Kana ini zvino ndikaisa kuverenga kwakafanana kune avo 1607 vehurumende vari mudyandigere muThailand, unogona kugumisa kuti huwandu hwechiDutch muThailand hunodarika zviuru zvisere. Chokwadi izvozvo hazvina kunaka, kana kuti ndizvo here? Zvakanaka, ingofungidzira, nekuti data yekuverenga iri nani haipo!
Zvakanaka kuverenga izvi uye ndatenda nerondedzero iyi. Iko kune zvakare vanhu vakati wandei vane pre-retirement uye expats uye vamwe emigres vanogara muThailand. Asi hazvishamise kuti kune vashoma vanogamuchira penjeni yehurumende muThailand zvakare, zvichipihwa mitengo yekuchinjana iripo. Hazvichaiti kugara pano nepenjeni yehurumende chete, nekuti immigration haiperi. Iwe unofanirwa kuunza anenge zviuru zviviri zveeuro zve65.000 baht pamwedzi. Zviripachena zviri kuitika kuti vese vanodya penjeni muThailand vanotariswa kuti havagarisane zvisiri pamutemo, nekuti ndinofunga kuti kuchine imwe mari inofanira kuitwa kubva ipapo. Kana kuti izvi hazvina kushata uye iyi nzira yekudzora inogona kunzi disproportionate. Mari yemutero yevashoma zvine basa uye vamwe vanoti macheki aya anogona kupembedzwa. Aiwa, nokuda kworugare rwendangariro, vamwe vaizova nani kugara muEurope. Zvakare nyika dzinodziya uye mahombekombe uye iwe unogona zvakare kuchengetedza mutengo wehutano uye mamwe matanho emutero.
Ini pasina mubvunzo ndichaiswa pasi nevamwe vane huremekedze scoundrels, asi pandinoona kuti vanosvika zviuru makumi matatu nematanhatu veTurks neMoroccans vanowana penjeni yenyika, kusanganisira vazhinji vakabhadhara mari shoma nekuti muhoro wavo waive wakaderera, uye vanogamuchira mutengo wakazara kana kubatsirwa pamusoro. makore angangoita 36.000, nei SVB ichinetsekana nekudzingirira vanhu vashoma vechiDutch muThailand kuti vaone kuti vane mudiwa here kana kuti kwete (uyo kazhinji anotambira mari isingasviki 30 EUR pamwedzi, kana vachitova nebasa) neGestapo maitiro uye kutyisidzirwa. Kana kuti tinofanira kuiswa mumusha unochengeterwa vakwegura, kwandisingadi kubatwa ndafa, nemari yakawanda uye neshawa uye nebhurugwa remukati rakachena kana manapukeni kamwe pavhiki?
Pane imwe nguva, kwemazuva mashomanana pashure pokuvhiyiwa, ndakagara mune imwe hotera yekare yakanga yahayiwa neWVZ kana kuti chero yaidanwa ndokubva ndatiza. Ndakatora tekisi ndokubhadhara imba yehotera ini pachangu apo vashandi vacho vakanga vasingasvuti fodya inorema uye vaifarira “mutengi” wavo kusiyana ne“hanzvadzi dzine rudo” dzehurumende. Mbatya dzangu dzakanga dzichiri kunhuwa utsi mushure mevhiki.
Vangani vasiri inspector vasina huwori vanotumirwa kunyika idzodzo gore negore kunoverenga mazino?
Uye usauye nenyaya inosuwisa zvakare nezvekuti vakabatsira sei kuvaka nyika yedu. Nyika yeNetherlands yakapfuma kuburikidza negasi rechisikigo, iro rakatengeswa nenyanzvi yezvehupfumi kubva kuBuitenveldert pamutengo wakatarwa we1,5 ct/m3 kwenguva isingagumi muchibvumirano neItaly. Kudai taiva nenyanzvi dzezveupfumi chaidzo, rudzi rwekare rwa Winsemius, tingadai tine chivharo chikuru, sezvakangoita Norway, zvokuti tingadai tisina kunetseka pamusoro pezvisina maturo izvi uye kutumira varume nevakadzi pasi rose kuzotisora.
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"Hapana mubvunzo kuti ndichadzikisirwa pasi nevamwe vane huremekedzo, asi pandinoona kuti vanosvika zviuru makumi matatu nezvitanhatu vekuTurkey neveMoroccan vanowana penjeni yenyika, kusanganisira vazhinji vakabhadhara mari shoma nekuti muhoro wavo waive wakaderera, uye vanowana mutengo uzere kana kubatsirwa." anopfuura makore makumi matatu…..',
1 Ruzhinji harwugamuchire mutengo wakakwana, asi mukuenzana nenhamba yemakore yavakagara muNetherlands. Vazhinji vavo 50-60%. Ndinowana 80%.
2 maTurks nemaMoroccans avo vava kugara nekushanda muNetherlands parizvino vanobhadhara mapremium kune vese vanodya penjeni. Iva nekutenda.
3 murayiro unoshanda kuvanhu vose. Ini handisi kuzokuisai pasi, asi zvinonyadzisa kuti munobatanidza maTurks nemaMoroccans muchidzidzo ichi. Wadii maBelgians nemaGerman vaigara muNetherlands kwemakore mazhinji?
a) mafuta ese efossil aive akachipa zvakanyanya ipapo. Oiri yakakwira chete pamusoro peUS$1974 padhiramu PASHURE pehondo yeYom Kippour, 10.
b) Hurumende yeDutch yakabva yagutsikana kuti mukati memakore 20-30 simba rose raizopihwa nemareactors enyukireya, kuitira kuti gasi rechisikigo raifanira kutengeswa nekukurumidza sezvinobvira risati rave risina maturo. maona https://www.fluxenergie.nl/pvda-joop-uyl-hield-nationalisatie-gronings-gas/?gdpr=accept
Dai chete taive ... paizova nedambudziko diki reCO2, maSheiks neAyatollah vaizova varombo semhare dzerenje uye Putin + Maduro angadai asina chekupa.
Wadiwa Dick41, uri kukanganisa zvikuru maererano nekubhadhara mapremium kune vamwe vanhu vanotambira mari shoma.
Kune vese maDutch nevatorwa avo, vasina hunhu hushoma, vanga vachibatsira munharaunda nebasa ravo kwemakore mazhinji.
Kugara pamwe chete, zvisinei nekuti izvi zvingaite sezvisina musoro, hazvibvi pamari yemudiwa, asi nekuti iko kugarisana, muNetherlands uye chero kupi zvako munyika.
Muchidimbu, iyo AOW inshuwarisi yehutano iyo, kunze kwevanhu vasingakwanisi kuzviita nekuda kwezvikonzero zvehutano, inobhadharwawo kune vanhu vakaramba kushanda kwehafu kana hupenyu hwavo hwose.
Iyo chete nyika yekugara, Netherlands, inopa gore rega rega kune 2% yeAOW iyo inofanirwa pakupedzisira kusimudzwa nenharaunda inoshanda.
Saka hazvishamise kune avo vanofunga zvishoma mberi kuti S: VB inoedza kudzora mashandisirwo enharaunda aya kwese kwese.
Kana izvi zvaifanira kuchengetedzwa neimwe nzira, vanhu vanoshanda nesimba muNetherlands vaizofanira kubhadhara zvakatowanda uye kutambira rudzi rweinishuwarenzi yevanhu pasirese.
Usati wasvetuka kubva paganda rako zvakanyanya zvisina kufanira: Avo vakadzokera kunyika dzekumusha kwavo kuTurkey neMorocco zviri pachena HAVAGANIRI penjeni yehurumende yakazara - vanonakidzwa nepenjeni ye2% pagore yavakavaka muNetherlands kuburikidza. ziya remaoko avo munyika yavo.
Izvi zvinoreva kuti kana vakashanda muNetherlands kwemakore 25, vanongowana 50% yepenjeni yehurumende, kazhinji inoderedzwa ne20% nokuti mudzimai haasati asvika makumi matanhatu nematanhatu.
Idiot chete pano ndiwe.
Dear Dick
Mubvunzo wako ndewekuti nei vanhu vachinetseka nezve penjeni yehurumende Dutch vanhu kunze kwenyika uye kwete nezvese penjeni yehurumende Turks neMoroccans muNetherlands, nokuti hurumende iyi yeRutte ine runako rwe "Dutch itsva" yedu kupfuura yeDutch vanogara zvikuru. vakashanda kuti nyika ino ive huru uye ibudirire.
Ndeupi muDutchman akagara achishanda nesimba kuti nyika yake ive huru uye ibudirire? Ndinofunga kuti anenge munhu wose akashanda nesimba kuti awane mari inokwana iye nemhuri yake. Hapana akaenda kunoshanda nepfungwa yekusimbisa nyika yavo ...
Paiva nevanhu vashomanana vakaona kubatana uye kuburikidza nezvimwe zvisarudzo zvehupfumi uye zvematongerwo enyika vakavimbisa kuti Netherlands yakanga ine chimwe chinhu chainoreva, asi iyo yakanga iri kunyanya kuita purofiti uye kwete kunze kwekuda nyika.
Iwe unofunga kuti wakazviita here?Ndinoshamisika kuti sei uchigara muThailand uye uchipedza mari yako yakawanda ikoko uye kwete muNetherlands kuchengetedza nyika yakakura?
Unorovera mbambo mumusoro chaimo, wobva waita hutsotsi hune pfuma yako munyika yaunobva hunofanira kumhan'arirwa uye zvikasaitika, cheki iyoyo inorema uye yakaoma, vanoti, asi vanogona kuzviongorora. 10.000 km kure. Ndingada kutaura kuti hapana munhu anogara naye expat kana farang ane kodzero yekugamuchira mabhenefiti kana zvimwewo, asi zviri pachena muHolland vane hanya nazvo, asi kwete nezvevanobiridzira.
Ndiri kupindura Dick41 sorry
KANA kuisa THB 800k semari yekuvimbisa
Nenzira, ini ndinoona kupokana kwe "mutengo wehutano" zvakanyanya kushanda. € 100 bhiriyoni kune 17,2 miriyoni Dutch vanhu (2018 manhamba) = € 5814 pamusoro pagore, kubva kumucheche kusvika kune ari kufa.
Sekufungidzira kwekutanga, fungidziro yako inobatsira.
Zvechokwadi ndinogona kuwedzera maviri.
1 Vadiki vanoitika muhuwandu hwechiDutch, asi vashoma pakati pevanhu vechiDutch muThailand.
2 Kune vanhu vazhinji vechiDutch vanogara muThailand kweinopfuura mwedzi mitanhatu asi vachiramba vakanyoreswa muNetherlands nekuda kwezvikonzero zvakati.
Kusvika kuCanada, US, Australia neNew Zealand, ndinogona kupa tsananguro yehuwandu hukuru hwevanodya penjeni. Mumakore ekuma50 nema60 kwaive nekubuda kukuru kwevanhu vechiDutch vachitsvaga ramangwana riri nani munyika idzi. Sezvo iyo AOW accrual yakatanga muna 1956, zvinoratidzika kwandiri kuti vanhu vazhinji vanogara imomo vaine nhamba shoma yemakore ekuwedzera uye izvi zvava kubhadharwa. Saka mhedziso ndeye nhamba, asi hapana nezvehurefu; kunyangwe 1 gore muNetherlands rinokupa iwe mukana weAOW bhenefiti.
Ndine chokwadi chekuti huwandu hwevanhu vechiDutch muThailand hauna kukamurwa nezera sehuwandu hwevanhu vechiDutch munyika yavo. Hapana mubvunzo kuti kune vakasiya basa vakawanda vanogara pano zvachose, tisingarevi 'shiri dzechando'.
Ndinofunga kuti 8000 iri padivi rakakwirira kwazvo. Ndichaichengeta pa5.000-6.000. Nhamba yevana veDutch vanowana zvidzidzo zveDutch pano muBangkok inogona kuverengwa paminwe yemaoko maviri......
Zvinoita sekuti vanhu vazhinji vechiDutch vanogara kunze kweBangkok. Uye ini ndiri mumakumi mashanu angu muThailand nevana 2 vadiki vanewo chizvarwa cheDutch uye vanogara kunze kweBangkok, saka une mufananidzo uri nani. Nezve zvidzidzo zveDutch, hazvina basa zvachose kwavari nekuti Chirungu neThai zvinouya pekutanga. Uye zvino zviri nani maJapan neChinese sekufunga kwangu. Iyi ndiyo mitauro yaunogona kushandisa pasi rese uye zvakare muThailand.
Pane chinhu chakadai sehukama neNetherlands kana usati wambogara ikoko uye usingatauri mutauro?
Makore mashoma apfuura ndaiva nemudzidzi mukirasi mangu aiva Thai asi aisakwanisa kutaura zvakanaka muchiThai nevamwe vaaidzidza navo nokuti akanga agara muU.SA upenyu hwake hwose. Akanga asingagoni kunyora kana kuverenga chiThai. Akatora zvidzidzo zveThai paaiva nemakore makumi maviri.
Sei zvino Dutch nyika? Chii chinonzi Dutch nezvaKO (kwete baba vako)?
Uye: Handizive kana vanhu vazhinji vechiDutch vanogara kunze kweBangkok? Sezvineiwo ndingataura kuti vazhinji vakasiya basa vanogara kunze kweBangkok uye vadiki vechiDutch (vanoshanda kana kudzidza) vanowanzogara mumaguta, kunyanya Bangkok. Asi handisati ndamboona nhamba, asi zvichibva pamhinduro yevanhu veDutch paIndaneti uye nehuwandu hwenhengo dzeDutch expat associations. Mumifananidzo unoona vanenge vanhu vakura chete muHua Hin nePattaya, nepo muBangkok unoona mhuri dzine vana uye vechidiki. Kuti chii chakakodzera.
Havasi vese vanodya penjeni yeAOW vanotariswa. Vaya chete vakanyoreswa sevasina kuroora. Kune vanhu vakaroora uye vanogara pano saka hazvidi kutariswa.
hachisi chokwadi, ndakaroora uye ndinotariswawo neSVB, kaviri kare
Makarasika, chero zvakadaro, vanhu vakaroorana vanofanira kuratidza kuti vachiri vapenyu nekuita kuti chitupa cheupenyu chinyoreswe zviri pamutemo. Saka inzirawo yekudzora.
Ndakafunga kuti zvaiva pachena kuti ndakanga ndichipindura zvakataurwa naJacques pamusoro pokugarisana kusiri pamutemo. Handifungi kuti zvingabatsira zvikuru kutarisa vanhu vakaroorana kuti vaone kana vari kutambira zvisizvo. Nomuzvarirwo, munhu wese weAOW anotora penjeni anofanira kunge aine chirevo chekurarama chiri pamutemo. Asi irworwo rudzi rwakasiyana chose rwokudzora. Iwe unofanirwa kuzvizivisa kuhofisi yako yeSSO. Uye ini ndinofunga ichi cheki chine musoro chinoshanda kudzivirira hutsotsi uye saka hachisi chinhu chekudonha pachigaro chako.
Baba vangu vechiDutch vakashaya makore matatu apfuura.
Ndinogara kuThailand naamai vangu vechiThai
uye tichiri kugamuchira mudyandigere wehurumende kubva kuna baba vangu.
Zvinofamba sei?
Amai vangu vanoshanda paSSO!
Izvi zvinoita kuti zvive nyore kwazvo kuzadza fomu rakadaro.
Netherlands ndeimwe yenyika dzakapfuma kwazvo pasi rose.
Ipapo vanogona kutikwidziridza masendi mashoma.
Toto @ Vanhu vanofunga kuti zvakawedzeredzwa kuti SVB inoita cheki pano neapo inogona, kana nyaya yako ichitaura chokwadi, ndinokutendai, pakati pezvimwe zvinhu, nesangano rematsotsi raamai venyu, uye maonero enyu asingabvumirani zvikuru ekuti nyika yeDutch ndiyo. vakapfuma kuti varambe vachibhadhara zvisizvo.
Pakati pemitsara, ndakaverenga pfungwa yekudada mumhinduro yako, apo kunyadziswa kwakadzama kungadai kwakave kwakakodzera.
Zvakanaka, chimwe chinhu chokudada nacho. Chero zvazvingaitika, iwe unobva wajekesa kune wese kuti nei cheki ichidikanwa.
Iye zvino tinofanira kumirira kuti SVB iziviswe nezvekushungurudzwa nemushandi weSSO kana kuti pamwe vachaverenga pamwe chete. Nhanho inotevera ichave yekuti munhu wese achafanira kuenda kumumiriri mune ramangwana, nekuda kweakashata mushandi weSSO.
Iwe unogona zvakare kuwana chitupa chehupenyu kubva kune Notary ye3000 baht.
Ipapo haufanirwe kuenda kuEmbassy.
Kunyangwe wese Notary akatendeseka uye asina huwori imwe nyaya.
@Toto
Kana izvi zviri izvo, saka mhinduro yako haina kungwara.
Kuti zvine chekuita nehutsotsi muNetherlands kana Thailand hazvina basa chero vachigona kusefa amai vako. Vese SVB neSSO vanga vasina mukana nechiitiko chakadaro uye hapana sangano rinofara nazvo.
Asi fara, iwe naamai vako hamusi imi moga muThailand vane pfungwa dzisina musoro kudaro.
Ndakabata magirazi angu ekuverenga uye zvechokwadi, meseji kubva kuToto haisi kubva Kubvumbi 1st...
Iniwo handizvidaviri. Chitupa chehupenyu chinofanirwa kusainwa nemunhu wacho uye MUMWE nyanzvi yekunyora paSVB yakakwana kuti aone chitsotsi. Zvino mumwe munhu anouya kuzoona Toto naamai vake naamai vake vanogona kuenda kujeri nekunyengera uye kubhadhara zvose uye kunakidzwa nenyadzi dzenharaunda ...
Saka tinozvirega tichinyengerwa...
Zvakanaka Erik, unofunga kuti nyanzvi yekunyora inotarisa kune ese mafomu?
Yakawanda sei SSO yaunayo muThailand uye vangani vakadzi vanoshanda ikoko?
Iwe haugone kuita zvakawanda nezita rekuti Toto,
kana atyora zita remanyepo kwete sign yake chaiyo yekufona.
Ndakakopawo signature yaamai vangu yekuchikoro
uye hapana akazviona!
Nyaya iyi inongoratidza kuti SVB macheki haana basa zvachose
kuve munyika yakaita seThailand umo huori hwatekeshera.
Unogonawo kupa chiokomuhomwe kuna inspector.
Nyaya yaToto ndeyechokwadi – Toto anoziva zvese!
Munharaunda yangu, vakaroora uye vanogara pamwe chete vanhu vechiDutch vakatariswa neSVB gore rapfuura.
Shamwari dzangu dzechiGermany dzakadonha pazvigaro zvadzo mukushamisika pandakadziudza nezvechiitiko ichi
Makore mashanu semunhu asina kuroora ane penjeni yehurumende
aigara pattaya pane 3 dzakasiyana
kero hadzina kumbotariswa
kunzwa kana kuona.
Zvakanaka, gore rega rega paSSO inoitwa neSVB
kusiya chitupa chehupenyu chatumirwa
nyoresa uye kuburikidza neinternet zvakare
dzosera ndizvozvo
Mune ino blog, mushandi wemumiriri muBangkok akataura mukupera kwa2016 kuti huwandu hwevanhu vakanyoreswa vechiDutch muThailand huri pakati pe20 ne25 zviuru zvevanhu. Uye avo havasi vashanyi.
Nenhamba shoma yakadai yevakagamuchira AOW, izvi zvinoreva nhamba huru yevanhu vari pasi pemakore eAOW vane penjeni kana kuti vari pa annuity, pamwe chete nevaya vanotsigirwa nehurumende nebhizimisi, pamwe nevanhu vane mvumo yebasa kana yekudzidza, uye chiDutch chavo. shamwari uye/kana vana.
Hezvinoi: https://www.thailandblog.nl/van-de-redactie/volgens-ambassade-25000-nederlanders-thailand/
Kune vangangoita 25.000 ……….
Zvichida nhamba yacho yakawedzerwa zvishoma nevemumiriri kuitira kuti vakwanise kutora huwandu hwevashandi veBuZa muHague?
Ambassador vane monthly talk pano saka wadii kubvunza?
zvakanaka,
Nemafashamo a2011, embassy yakakumbira munhu wese wechiDutch kuti anyorese online ari muThailand, kuitira kuti vanhu vazivikanwe nekukurumidza.
Vazhinji vabva kare, asi havana kubuda. Zvakanaka saka une vazhinji, vazhinji veDutch vanhu muThailand.
Chokutanga pane zvose, ini handinzwisisi kuverenga kwe8000 vanhu vechiDutch. Uye regai nditsanangure chikonzero nei. Paizove ne5 x 23.232 vanhu vechiDutch vanogara muTurkey. handifungi kudaro. Ndinofunga kuti unofanira kutonga nyika kuti rudzii rwevanhu vechiDutch vanogara ikoko. MuCuracao vanenge vakarega basa vanogara imomo. Uye unofungei nezve 25.000 Dutch vanhu muThailand? Zvakawandisa? Ndakaitora kubva panzvimbo ino kuti zviitike.
https://www.thailandblog.nl/van-de-redactie/volgens-ambassade-25000-nederlanders-thailand/
Pakati pevane 1607 AOW vanodya penjeni muThailand, kune zvakare vangangoita zana vane nyika yeThai, nekuti vaimboshanda kuNetherlands.
Nhamba dzese dzenyika gumi neshanu i15 uye ukawedzera dzimwe nyika 290.549 unowana mazana maviri nemakumi mapfumbamwe nemakumi matatu nemana. Zvino kune vanhu vashoma muLaos neBurma vasingakwanise kudomwa nemazita nekuda kwezvikonzero zvekuvanzika ??? Nhamba hadzinei nekuvanzika nekuti dai zvaive zvakadaro hapana manhamba aibvumidzwa apa zvachose.
Ndinozviwana sei izvi, ingoshandisa karukureta kuti nhamba iri muchinyorwa yatove isiriyo.
Sei izvi, zvisiri izvo zvakapfuudzwa neSVB? Typo?
Kana iwe wakaverenga mishumo pamusoro pezviremera zvemitero neUWV nguva pfupi yadarika, iwe unonzwisisa kuti zvakawanda zvinotadza muhurumende, saka wadii neaya manhamba futi.
Zvichida iwe uchiri kubvunza SVB kuti nhamba idzi ndedzipi?
@Tom Bang: nhamba dzaunotaura dzine chekuita nenyika gumi neshanu + 15.
Iwe une ruzivo here kuti inyika ngani dziripo pasirese uye unogona kufungidzira kuti vanhu vane penjeni yeAOW vanogarawo mune dzimwe nyika dzese?