Dr. Erwin Kompanje (chiremba wezvetsika kuErasmus MC Rotterdam) akanyora koramu yakajeka pane yake blog. "Kufa kuri kutarisirwa wakura kana kufa corona?" ndiro raive zita uye mariri akaisa kufa kweCovid 19 mumaonero, asi pamusoro pezvose akasimbisa njodzi yekubatsira vanhu iri kuitika nekuda kwematanho akatorwa.

Rugwaro rwacho rwakakurudzira mugadziri weTV Flavio Pasquino kuti amushanyire uye amubvunzurudze. Akatora Erwin mutaundi rokumusha kwake reBarendrecht ndokumuendesa kunzvimbo yaaida zvikuru, Europoort. A black-backed gull colony matendere pano. Nzvimbo iyi inoberekesa makudo matsva asiwo inzvimbo yekupedzisira yekuzororera kune dzakawanda dzisina simba.

Koramu yacho yakatorwa muchimiro che“Shoko Rakataurwa”, mushure mekugadzirisa zvinyorwa zvepadandemutande zvekutanga (www.kompanje.org) uye inoumba chirevo cheuzivi chemaonero akafara anotarisa kupfuura kushomeka kweICU uye mwero wekufa kwenguva pfupi. Ngativimbei kuti kuchave nemamwe mazwi anotsoropodza kubva padanho renjere iri.

Vhidhiyo: 'Corona mutemo hauna hunhu'

Tarisa vhidhiyo pano

https://youtu.be/rlnfnsFz6c8

57 Mhinduro ku“'Corona mutemo hauna hunhu', anodaro Clinical Ethicist Dr. Erwin Kompanje (vhidhiyo)”

  1. wim anoti kumusoro

    Izvi zvinosanganisira Netherlands. Handizive kana izwi rekuti 'corona policy' rakarurama. Zvinoita sezvakanaka kwandiri kuti hapana mutemo zvachose, asi kuti kubva kurudzi rwekutya, virologists, RIVM nezvimwe zvakangoerekana zvateverwa nehurumende. Iye zvino zvavasisazive, zvinoita sezvisingabviri kuti vezvematongerwo enyika vadzosere mamiriro ezvinhu mune mamwe matanho akajeka. Matanho madiki anoziviswa zvisingaite nenzira yechikoro, De Jonge anotaura nezve 'maapplication' uye 'madhibhodhi' uye ukuwo hurovha huri kuwedzera uye kukura kwehupfumi kuri kudzikira. Ini hapana mitemo yandinoona. Kungovhunduka chete kutamba uye kusagona pakuurayiwa.

    • Lilian anoti kumusoro

      Hongu, zvinoshamisa muNetherlands iyo. Mune dzimwe nyika upenyu hwave huchienderera mberi zvakanaka

      • Rob V. anoti kumusoro

        Ndofunga uku kutsvinya Lilian? Tichifunga nezvenyika zhinji kubva kuNetherlands, kuenda kuThailand neAmerica kuenda kuChina, uko kwakatorwa marudzi ese ematanho (kuvhara, zvirambidzo zvekufamba, kufambidzana, vanhu vakarasikirwa nemabasa, nezvimwewo). Unogona kudaidza aya ese akaerekana matanho 'kuvhunduka tinkering' kana kusakwana gadziriro (apo yambiro nezve denda dzave nemakore dzichibuda). Muchokwadi, nyika shoma dzaive neyakagadziridzwa script yakagadzirira kana isingatenderwe kudhura zvakanyanya (funga nezveAmerica, uko kumwe gadziriro dzakadzikiswa kunyangwe Corona isati yatanga).

        https://apnews.com/ce014d94b64e98b7203b873e56f80e9a

    • Maarten Binder anoti kumusoro

      Mafambiro ehurumende haana kurongeka semaitiro eutachiona. Unotofunga kuti hurumende ine utachiona.

  2. Rob V. anoti kumusoro

    Quote 1: "Mapepanhau akataura kuti 9 kubva pagumi vanopfuura makore makumi matanhatu nemashanu, nhamba dzeCBS dzinonyanya kuratidza vanhu vakura vane makore makumi masere kana anopfuura (..) vakweguru vari mumatanho ekupedzisira ehupenyu hwavo (..) vanhu vari muzvikamu zvavo zvekupedzisira zvehupenyu. avo vasingabatanidzi”.

    Vakwegura vanogara kwenguva yakareba sei? Avhareji yehupenyu hunotarisirwa hwevanhu mumatsutso ehupenyu hwavo:
    65: 20,3 makore (murume 19, mukadzi 21,5)
    70:16,3 makore (murume 15,1 , mukadzi 17,3)
    80: 9,2 makore (murume 8,4, mukadzi 9,9)
    90: 4,2 makore (murume 3,8, mukadzi 4,4)

    Kunobva:
    https://www.staatvenz.nl/kerncijfers/levensverwachting

    Zvechokwadi tinogona kusarudza kuita zvishoma, ipapo pachava ne2,5 kusvika ku3x sekufa kwakawanda pakati pevanhu vekare (Ona Sweden inofananidzwa nenyika dzakapoteredza). Kana tikasarudza kuti semunhu akwegura ane makore 10-20 chete ekurarama, zviri nani kuti tisununguke kare. Kana tikagumisa pamwe chete kuti izvozvo zvinogamuchirika, zvakanaka. Asi zvine hungwaru kuisa mufananidzo wekuti vanhu vanofa nehutachiona vakatopotsa vatarisana nerufu.

    Quote 2:
    "Pane mutsauko pakati pekorona nefuruwenza?"
    Mhinduro ndeye hongu, pane misiyano (uye yakafanana). Musiyano ndewokuti, semuenzaniso, kukuvadzwa kunoitika kune imwe nzvimbo mumuviri, senge kutapukirwa neropa.

    https://m.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20200424_04933526

    Hongu, zvakakosha kuyera marudzi ese ezvimiro: tarisiro yehupenyu uye hupenyu hwehupenyu hwemapoka enjodzi uye vanhu, hupfumi, nzanga (social kudyidzana) zvichingodaro. Izvo zvakaoma, uye kutengeserana uku kunogona kutenderera kune imwe nzira chero nguva kuti chii chakarurama (kana kuti, chii chisinganyanyokuvadza zvachose, chinogamuchirwa kune avo vanobatanidzwa). Ini ndinoona kuvhunduka kwese kuzere nematanho anorema echigarire asina basa, asi zvakare kuramba zvese izvi se 'ingori rudzi rwefuruwenza, rufu chikamu chayo, uye kunyanya vamwe vanhu vakuru vanofa zvishoma kare'.

    • Peter (aimbova Khun) anoti kumusoro

      Kufunga kwako kwakashata Rob. Iwe hautore makore akarasika ehupenyu hwevanodzivirira uye kumisikidzwa kwemabasa nekuda kwekorona.

      Mazana ezviuru zvemakore akarasika ehupenyu:
      Hazvina kujeka kuti vangani vafa kurasikirwa kwekutarisirwa nguva dzose kwakonzera mumwedzi ichangopfuura. Izvo zvine chekuita ne100.000 kusvika 400.000 makore ehupenyu akarasika, sangano rekutsvagisa Gupta rakanyora mumushumo svondo rino. Kupfuura makore gumi nematatu kusvika makumi maviri nerimwe ane hutano akachengetedzwa nekuchengeta varwere vecovid.
      https://gupta-strategists.nl/studies/het-koekoeksjong-dat-covid-heet

      Kuchengetwa kwechipatara kwevarwere veCOVID kwakachengetedza anofungidzirwa kuti zviuru gumi nezvitatu kusvika zviuru makumi maviri negumi zvehupenyu makore (QALYs) muNetherlands. Izvi zvinoonekwa kubva mushumo 'COVID inoenda cuckoo' neGupta Strategists. Huwandu hwemakore ehupenyu ane hutano hwakawanikwa hushoma maererano nemutengo: inofungidzirwa 13 kusvika 21 makore ehupenyu ane hutano akarasika nekuda kwekukanzurwa uye kumisikidzwa kwekutarisirwa nguva dzose, sekutarisira vanhu vane cancer, kutadza kwemoyo, chirwere cheshuga kana matumbo. zvirwere. Dzvinyiriro yemari zvakare yakakwira zvisingaite: mutengo wekuchengetwa kweCCIDID pagore rehupenyu hune hutano hwakawanikwa i100 kusvika 400 euros. Izvo zvinosvika kuchikamu chetatu chepamusoro pane chinogamuchirwa kazhinji.

      • Peter (aimbova Khun) anoti kumusoro

        Izvi zvinoratidza zvekare kuti pakanga pasina mutemo kubva kuhurumende yedu, asi nhabvu yekuvhunduka. Pamusoro pezvo, vezvenhau vakatarisa makamera kune varwere vecovid uye, chokwadi, Rutte haadi mifananidzo paTV ine varwere vekorona vanorwara zvisingaite muzvipatara zvakazara. Chokwadi chekuti vanhu vanozofa kumba nekuti havatarisirwe nguva dzose, hazvina basa naRutte, nekuti hapana makamera ipapo.

        • Johnny B.G anoti kumusoro

          Zvichida zvino kurukurirano ichatanga pamusoro pokuti ndokwomuzvarirwo here kutarisira vanorwara kutozosvikira pakupera kwezuva.
          Mushonga wakanaka, asi nekukurumidza kana kukosha kwaiswa pairi, sarudzo dzinogona kunge dzichifanira kuitwa uye ndine chokwadi chekuti hurukuro iyi haizoitirwe muNetherlands kwenguva yakareba.
          MuThailand zvakati kujeka mune izvozvo. Bvisa zvese kubva muhupenyu kusvika wava nemakore makumi manomwe uye vamwe vese vakangomirira kuti vaone kana zvichiri zvine musoro uye zvekupedzisira zvinoenderana nekuti zvisungo zvemhuri zvakamira sei.

          • Rob V. anoti kumusoro

            MuNetherlands, tinogara tichidzidza kuti kurapwa kwenguva yakareba sei. Google Asi uye unosangana nezvimedu mumapepanhau neTV chiteshi kubva 2012, 2016, 2018 etc. Inoshanduka kuita hurukuro yakaoma, nepo Netherlands yatove kure kupfuura kutora Germany:

            "MaGermany anewo tsika yekuchengeta yakasiyana neyenyika yedu. Kuenderera mberi nekurapa kusvika kumhepo yekupedzisira kunowanikwa zvakanyanya kupfuura muNetherlands, uko nhaurirano pamusoro pekuti murwere anoda kuenda kure akasimbiswa zvakanyanya. ”

            - https://www.ad.nl/binnenland/duitse-ic-baas-nederland-moet-voor-veel-meer-ic-bedden-zorgen~aca7ea29
            - https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/2263187-de-laatste-levensfase-goed-sterven-is-ook-belangrijk.html

            MuThailand, kune rumwe rutivi, vakatarisana nedambudziko / chokwadi chekuti kana mumwe munhu asingachakwanisi kushanyira mupi wehutano akazvimirira, kuwana kwehutano kunoderera nekukurumidza:

            “Vane makore 55-65, vanhu vazhinji vanokwanisa kufamba vakazvimirira kuenda kunzvimbo dzehutano. Asi, sezvavanokura, vanova vasina simba uye vanotanga kuve nemamiriro ehutano anovatadzisa kuenda kunzvimbo dzehutano vakazvimiririra. Kana vanhu vachembera vachinge vave kuvimba navo uye voda vamwe kuti vauye navo kunzvimbo dzehutano, kuwanda kwekushandisa mabasa munzvimbo dzehutano kunowanzodzikira. Izvi zvinonyanya kusimba pakati pevarombo vakwegura, kunyanya avo vari kumaruwa nevasingagari nevana vavo vakura,” 

            Kunobva:
            https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2016/04/08/aging-in-thailand—addressing-unmet-health-needs-of-the-elderly-poor

            Ikoko kwakajeka zvirokwazvo, asi kunoshuva here kuti vanhu vafe nemhaka yokuti havana kana kuti vasingakwanisi kuwana chipatara?

            • HarryN anoti kumusoro

              Zvechokwadi Ronald weMSM anoshandiswa zvizere nehurumende uye naizvozvo haana kuvimbika. Somuenzaniso, munguva pfupi yapfuura pakanga pane chinyorwa muAD; Corona yanyanya kurova mapurazi ezvipfuwo!!! Kuferefetwa kweizvi kwanga kusati kwatanga, asi AD yakatouya nenhau "huru". Chokwadi hatina kuzombonzwa zvimwe pamusoro pazvo.

          • Johnny B.G anoti kumusoro

            Munyika dzakawanda hazvina kujairika uye pamwe Netherlands inofanirawo kuibvisa.

            • Tino Kuis anoti kumusoro

              Ndine urombo nezveNazi naStalin, Johnny BG. Ndakatsamwa. Sosaiti haifaniri kuva nechisarudzo chokuti ndiani anogamuchira uye ndiani asingagamuchire. Izvo zviri pakati pachiremba nemurwere.

        • Tino Kuis anoti kumusoro

          Huya, Peter, nekuunza Rutte nemakamera iwe uri kuita zvematongerwo enyika uye kuvhara nhaurirano inoshanda. Isu hapana kwatinosvika ne 'vanoita zvese zvisizvo uye ini ndinoziva zvese zvirinani'. Hapana angadai akafanoona kuti kutarisira nguva dzose kwaizoderera ne30-50%. Kugadzirisa izvozvo ibasa ravanachiremba nezvipatara.

          • Peter (aimbova Khun) anoti kumusoro

            Izvo zvine chekuita nesarudzo dzezvematongerwo enyika, ndicho chikonzero iwe unofanirwa kubatanidza zvematongerwo enyika. Rutte pachake anoti ndiye ane mhosva, iyo RIVM inotaurawo izvozvo. Patova nemazita makuru ekumirira mune zvehutano zvekuti pane kutaura nezve reservoir revarwere.

            Sachigaro webhodhi reErasmus MC, VaErnst Kuipers, vanoti vakatadza. Vanobvumiranawo nemushumo waGupta wekuti: “Kuti huwandu hwemakore ehupenyu ane hutano hwakarasika hwakada kuenzana nehukuru hwakachengetwa, paine mukana wekuti huwandu hwemakore akarasika hwakakura zvakanyanya, ndinobvuma.

            Anonongedza kune data kubva kuCancer Registry, iyo inoratidza kuti huwandu hwevanorwara negomarara kazhinji hunosvika zviuru zvitatu nemazana mashanu pasvondo. Mumwedzi miviri yapfuura, kwaingova ne3500 chete pavhiki. "Saka izvo zvave nepakati, uye sekuziva kwangu covid haisi mushonga wegomarara."

            https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/2334774-bij-een-volgende-piek-moet-aanpak-anders-wijs-corona-ziekenhuizen-aan.html

          • Maarten Binder anoti kumusoro

            Tino ndiwe wakatanga kufensera Nazi Germany neStalin Russia?
            Izvo hazviratidzike zvakanyanya sekuita zvematongerwo enyika, kana zvakatoipisisa, ad hominem yakarasika zvachose?
            Kana ukavhara madhipatimendi ese nekuda kweCovid, kuSpain kwakatorambidzwa kubvumidzwa kune varwere kunze kweCovid, saka haufanirwe kushamisika kana kutarisirwa kwakadzikira.
            Saka kusafambiswa zvakanaka kubva pakutanga uye vanhu vakayambirwa.

            • Johnny B.G anoti kumusoro

              Ko munhu angadai akaita zviri nani sei nekushaya zivo yanhasi?
              Ndinoona zviri kutopenga zviri kuitika manje. Netherlands yakavharirwa munharaunda yemamita imwe nehafu uye muThailand hupenyu hwakajairika huri kudzoka mugwara nemaski kumeso.
              Iyo Netherlands iri kuvhunduka sebofu here kana kuti Thailand irikutendera kuti zviitike kuita kuti asina kusimba aderedze uremu? Mudenderedzwa rangu, izvi hazvigone kutorwa kubva pamubvunzo unogona zvakare kubvunzwa kana zvematongerwo enyika echiDutch ari kushandisa kana kukanganisa dambudziko iri.

              • Rob V. anoti kumusoro

                MuThailand, matanho akasimba kupfuura muNetherlands: kune mamiriro ehurumende yenjodzi, nhanho dzekufambisa munharaunda (kuchengeta chinhambwe chemamita maviri, masks echiso zvinosungirwa mubhazi nechitima uye zvinosungirwa kune vatengi mune mamwe matunhu, asiwo ne makambani mazhinji). Nzvimbo dzekutengesera kwaunongobvumidzwa kupinda kana ukasiya madhijitari (pinda neapp/QR kodhi). Thailand yave muchikamu chechipiri chechikamu chekubuda, nzvimbo dzine njodzi dzakadai semakirabhu nemazoo hadzisati dzatenderwa kuvhura. Zvichingodaro.

                Kana kuchengeta mita imwe nehafu kure muNetherlands ijeri, chii chinoita kuti Thailand? Musasa wechirango? Kana kuti kana chikamu cheThai 'chadzokera kune zvakajairika', ichiri kuzorora zvishoma muNetherlands, saka kupfuura zvakajairwa muNetherlands?

                Kana kuti zvese zviri zviviri Thailand neNetherlands mushure mekuomesera (dzimwe nguva ad-hoc, dzimwe nguva pamwe yakarebesa kana nekubvunzana nenyanzvi shoma kubva kumapoka akasiyana) matanho, ese ari kungopedza nhanho nhanho kudzokera kune zvakajairika. Pamwe kunonoka, pamwe nekukurumidza, tinogona kutaura nezvazvo. Ndofunga kudaro. Asi kuratidza Thailand neNetherlands serudzi rwakapesana? Kwete, handifungi kuti ndizvozvo.

                https://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/2020/05/23/govt-3rd-phase-of-lockdown-relaxation-takes-effect-on-june-1/

                https://www.khaosodenglish.com/politics/2020/05/22/emergency-decree-extended-no-new-virus-case-reported/

                https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1891290/70-thais-stick-to-social-distancing

                • Johnny B.G anoti kumusoro

                  Zvinotaurwa zvakanaka asi hazvisirizvo zvazvinoita senguva zhinji. Kupindura kubva ku polder hazvirevi kuti ndizvozvo.

                • Rob V. anoti kumusoro

                  Unoda here tsigiro Johnny? Kuita saizvozvo kubva pasi pemukokonati hazvirevi kuti ndizvozvo. 😉 Ndapa mamwe anotsigirwa nemasources. Ndinoda kunzwa kubva kune iyo Netherlands yakaoma kana yakanyanya kuvhunduka pane inooneka kubva kune akasiyana midhiya kana kubva kwazvinoita sekuti Khaosod, Bangkok Post, nezvimwewo (inogonawo kutsvaga zvidimbu zvakadaro kubva kuThai PBS, Prachatai, nezvimwewo kana unoda) penda mufananidzo usiriwo kana usina kukwana.

                • Ger Korat anoti kumusoro

                  Chinhu chakakosha chekuti Netherlands yakaoma kupfuura Thailand. Handina kumbobvira ndaverenga chero kupi zvako kuti vakweguru muThailand vakavharirwa, vari voga uye vanonyimwa kuonana nehama nehama. MuNetherlands, zvisarudzo zvinoitwa pamusoro pevakwegura uye vanorwara pamusana peboka iri, pasina kubvumirwa kana kubvumirwa kwevakwegura uye / kana mhuri. Sezvakataurwa naDr. Erwin Kompanje: zvakaipa kupfuura jeri.
                  Uye yechipiri poindi ndeye 2 metres nzanga. Hurumende yeDutch inoda kuva mukomana akanakisisa uye, somuenzaniso, inobhadhara vanhu vanogara pamwe chete muimba asi vasina hukama, semuenzaniso muimba yevadzidzi, kana vachifamba panze pamwe chete. Kana kuti unotora shamwari yako mumotokari: chinhu chakaipa nekuti hapana 1,5 metres kure. Uye saka iwe unogona kutarisira zvimwe zvisina maturo muNetherlands, nepo Thais ari zvishoma kuchinjika nazvo.

                  Zvandinofunga nezve 1,5 metres mutemo: akapa nyaya mu de Volkskrant zuva kana 2 mune ino blog iyo yakataura kuti pese pese pese pese pese pese pakatarisana nenjodzi yekutapukirwa (utachiona 1 chete pavanhu vanopfuura 7324 vane hutachiona muguta re Wuhan izvo zvakaferefetwa zvakabva pamhepo). Iyo yese mita 1,5 chinhu chinobva kuChina, iyo yakambotaura kuti hutachiona hwaipararira mumhepo kusvika kure. Uye ikozvino vaongorori veChinese vari kuuya nechidzidzo chekuti zvese hazvina basa uye kuti nzanga yese yemamita 1,5 haina kubva pane chokwadi. Uye iwe unogona kuvimba nenyaya yekuti maChinese ave kungwarira kushambadza nekuda kwekunyara kwakawanda nezve corona, uye zvakadaro vanouya netsvagiridzo iyi uye mhedzisiro. Dai ndaive nekutaura: pakarepo iyo yose 1,5 mamita kutonga mumhepo yakashama, mumugwagwa, mumapaki, mahombekombe. maturu ekunze uye kuwedzera kusimudza.
                  ona link: https://www.volkskrant.nl/wetenschap/onderzoek-nauwelijks-kans-op-besmetting-in-buitenlucht~b28c006b/

                • Johnny B.G anoti kumusoro

                  Dai ndiri pasi pemukokoti nditaurewo maonero angu hhh
                  Sezvo ini ndichiona mamiriro ezvinhu nemaziso angu uye iri rakavimbika sosi, zvine hushamwari muBangkok kunyangwe mamiriro enjodzi.
                  Hapana anouya kwandiri munzvimbo yeruzhinji aine mibvunzo yake yekuti tine hukama here kana kuti kwete.
                  Hazvirevi hazvo kufamba mukutakura kwevanhu muNL kunorambidzwa .. ndiani anogara munharaunda yakadzvinyirirwa?

            • Tino Kuis anoti kumusoro

              Hongu ndaive ini. Ndinotenda kuti nzanga haifanire kusarudza kuti ndiani anofanirwa kana kusatarisirwa 'kusvikira kumagumo'. Icho chinhu chiri pakati pachiremba nemurwere. Izvi zvinoshanda kune kuchengetwa kwese.

              Ini handina kuverenga chero kupi zvako kuti kwaive kurambidzwa muSpain kune vasiri-covid-19 varwere. Iwe une kwaunobva kwazviri here?

              Sekuziva kwangu, muNetherlands unogona kungotumira chero murwere akagwinya.

              Zvinoshungurudza zvikuru kuti kutarisira nguva dzose kwakaderera. Izvozvo zvaisafanira kuitika uye zvaisafanira kuitika pachiyero ichocho. Vana chiremba vaifanira kupikisa zvishoma.
              . . '

              • Peter (aimbova Khun) anoti kumusoro

                Ndanga ndiine fungidziro yekuti iwe waitozvidzikisira pamusoro pekupikisa vanachiremba?

                Tino: 'Mumavhiki achangopfuura, basa ravo parakadzikira nekanopfuura 50 muzana, vanachiremba vakaongorora nyaya yacho zvakadzama.' Vanachiremba vaviri ava vakarasikirwa ne50% yemari yavo mumwedzi miviri yapfuura! Chokwadi vanoda kudzokera kunguva dzakajairika! (Corona joke)

              • Chris anoti kumusoro

                mudiwa tina,
                Ndinofunga kuti nzanga inofanira kubvumirwa zvizere kupinda mune zvoutano, uyezve zvave zvichiitika kwemakumi emakore. Hurumende nemakambani einishuwarenzi vatambi vakakosha uye kunyangwe vanoita sarudzo. Chiremba nemurwere vanogona kuda zvakawanda sezvavanoda, asi kana inishuwarenzi ikasabhadhara, hazvizoitika.
                Amai vangu havachagashira mimwe mishonga inoshanda zvakanaka nekuti 'yakanyanya kudhura', maererano naChiremba weChiremba. ZVINO awana jenarikisi. Ndiani akasarudza izvozvo?
                Nyaya dzetsika dzinomukawo. Nharaunda inofanira kuramba ichibhadhara kurapwa kweIVF kunodhura here? Vanhu vasingakwanise kuita vana vari kurwara here? Uye hapana here 'zvakachipa' dzimwe nzira dzakadai sekurerwa. Izvo zvakafanana zvinoenda kune kuvhiyiwa kwepurasitiki.

                • Tino Kuis anoti kumusoro

                  ๋Wataura chokwadi, Chris. Sosaiti inosarudzawo miganhu yekutarisira, ndiani anobhadhara chii uye zvakadini. Chii chinobvumirwa uye chii chisingabvumirwi. Ndainge ndanyanyisa. Pachave paine nhaurirano pamusoro peizvi, semuenzaniso nezve kubhadharwa kwepiritsi rekudzivirira.
                  Asi mukati meiyo miganho, vanachiremba nevarwere vanofanirwa kusarudza pamwechete maitiro ekuita.

              • Maarten Binder anoti kumusoro

                Tino waregererwa. Vanachiremba vakawanda vanoshatirwa zvikuru nemhaka yebasa rokukandira uye risina maturo ravanozviti nyanzvi. Pamusoro pezvo, vanachiremba vanongotyisidzirwa kana vaine maonero akasiyana, semuenzaniso nekusavandudza zvibvumirano nevarapi vehutano vanovengwa.
                Sezvineiwo, vanachiremba vakawanda vari kutanga kuratidzira. Kwete zvisati zvaitika, nekuti vazhinji vavo vaitenda muWHO nevateveri vayo vanoshandira, seRIVM uye nevazhinji vasina ruzivo vanozadza homwe.

                Kwandinobva kuSpain chipatara chiri muBenidorm, kwandakashanda mukomiti yetsika yekuongorora kenza. Ndinovapa mazano apo neapo.

        • Rob V. anoti kumusoro

          Havasi ivowo vanopenga here muHague? Mune midhiya yakawanda tinoverenga nezvemhedzisiro yekunonoka kurapwa, vanachiremba vanonetsekana. Mapepanhau neTV vanga vachiratidzira izvi kakawanda kubva mukupera kwaKurume. Vezvenhau vakataurawo kuti maICU aizadza sei nekutyisidzira, kuti vaizowedzera sei hunyanzvi, kuendesa varwere veIC kune zvimwe zvipatara (kunyangwe kuGermany). Kutyisidzira kwakanyanya kwemabhedha mashoma muICU kwaive pachena, handizvo here? Wobva watora ad hoc matanho. Vazhinji vaverengi veThailand blog vakarumbidza ad hoc chiito sechiito chakasimba (cheThai kana chiDutch matanho).

          Dambudziko, hongu, ndere nzira yekudzokera kune zvakajairika. Nekukurumidza unobva wazviuraya mune zvematongerwo enyika (Rutte anorerutsa hutachiona), zvishoma nezvishoma (Rutte anorega murwere asiri corona achinyura kufa).
          Handifungi kuti Rutte anopenga, anonyatsoziva kuti kana akaita zvishoma nezvishoma (kufa nekuda kwekudzivirira kutarisirwa), mapepanhau nemifananidzo yevhidhiyo ichaonekwa yevanhu vakafa zvisina kufanira nekutambura kwakawanda uye mutambo. Makamera aya akange aripo kare uko kuwana kwekutarisirwa kwaisakwana, asi achawanikwa zvakare.

          Ndinofara kuti handisi pakutungamira nekuti kunyangwe ukazviita sei, mauto evakuru anoti hausi kuzviita nemazvo kana kutova nezvikonzero zvakaipa zvechipiri. Ini handisati ndave nechokwadi kuti Netherlands kana Thailand yakaunzwa sei. Ndinoda kunzwa ruzivo rwese zvakadzikama, asi ihwo humbowo husingakwanise kuwana mukuru wechikepe.

          - https://www.trouw.nl/zorg/patienten-mijden-zorg-ook-bij-ernstige-klachten~bfc7852d/
          - https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/afgezegde-zorg-dreigt-meer-levens-te-kosten-dan-corona~b64d16ef/

      • Tino Kuis anoti kumusoro

        Ndakaverenga tsvakiridzo yakakodzera (gupta-strategists). Handifungi kuti kumiswa kwechikamu chekuchengetedza nguva dzose kwakadhura 100.000 kusvika ku400.000 makore ehupenyu hwehutano. Mafungiro akawandisa. Vanodaidza kuti fungidziro. Kunyange zvakadaro, zvinosuruvarisa zvechokwadi.

        Kumiswa uku kune zvikonzero zviviri. Varwere vanoverengera kuongororwa kwavo uye/kana kuzvirapa ivo kana vanachiremba vanodaro. Ndinogona kufungidzira kuti varwere vanoita izvi, asi handinzwisisi kuti sei vanachiremba vakaita kudaro kusvika pamwero wakadaro. Ndinovapa mhosva.

        • Peter (aimbova Khun) anoti kumusoro

          Huya Tino unoziva zvaiitika. Vakanga vasingabvumirwi kurapa varwere. Pakanga pasina ICU huwandu, kwete hwekutarisira kwakarongwa. Yakachengeterwa varwere veCovid-19. Vanachiremba vakanyunyuta dombo nebhonzo kuti kungotariswa chete kwakapihwa Corona. Wangu GP akanyunyutawo kuti aisabvumidzwa kutaura chero munhu kwechinguva (kunze kwekunge achiisa hupenyu panjodzi).

          • William anoti kumusoro

            Ichi hachisi chokwadi zvachose. Nyanzvi dzemoyo dzakangoona 1/3 yenhamba yakajairika yevarwere pakutariswa kwemoyo. Kwete nekuti havana kutambirwa, asi nekuti havangomhan'ara kuchipatara. Nyaya ine vatengi vakawanda.

          • Tino Kuis anoti kumusoro

            Varwere vese vaida kurapwa vakarapwa mudikani Peter. Mhosva dzese dzakakomba dzakabatsirwa, kusanganisira idzo dzaida kumwe kurapwa muICU. Iyo ICU haina kuchengeterwa covid chete, icho hachisi chokwadi.

            Uye hungu, kutarisira kwakarongwa kwakamiswa pazvaibvira. Izvozvo zvichida zvichavawo nemigumisiro yakaipa. Zvakare, sarudzo dzaifanira kuitwa dzakaoma chaizvo. Sarudzo imwe neimwe yaive nezvayakanakira nezvayakaipira. Ingoyera izvozvo.

            • Peter (aimbova Khun) anoti kumusoro

              Tsanangudzo yeacute inogona zvechokwadi kutambanudzwa zvishoma. Kuvhiya kwevarwere vegomarara kwakamiswa, apo murwere akaudzwa kuti tarisiro yehupenyu hwake yakadzikira. Kwete, kwete zvakanyanya. Unogona kungofa nokukurumidza. Iwe uchava murwere uyo….

    • Ruud anoti kumusoro

      Enzanisa Corona nezvimwe zvirwere.
      MuNetherlands, makore ehupenyu miriyoni 2018 akarasika kusvika pakufa nguva isati yakwana muna 1,8.

      https://www.volksgezondheidenzorg.info/ranglijst/ranglijst-aandoeningen-op-basis-van-verloren-levensjaren

      Zvichienzaniswa neizvi, huwandu hwevanhu vafa neCorona hapana.

      Nhamba chaiyo, hongu.
      Kune hama yepedyo, hongu, zvakasiyana.

      Kana chimwe chinhu chaizoongororwa cancer yemapapu zvirinani, zvaizochengetedza makore mazhinji ehupenyu pane mari yese yakashandiswa paCorona.

    • Lilian anoti kumusoro

      MuNetherlands, vanhu vanopfuura makore makumi masere havatombo guma muICU.
      Vazhinji vanofira mumusha unochengeterwa vakwegura.
      Izvi zvakasiyana nenyika dzakapoteredza uye dzekumaodzanyemba.

      Zvinoshamisa kuti vangani 'vanachiremba' varipo kamwe kamwe vanoita zvese
      kuziva nezvezvirwere, mavhairasi, etc. Zivai-izvo-zvose, handizvo zvinodaidzwa here?

  3. ba anoti kumusoro

    Ndinobvumirana zvachose nachiremba uyu.

  4. Mukristu anoti kumusoro

    Ndinobvumiranawo naDr. Kompanje, Rob.
    Tinofanira kushandura mafungiro edu.Zvinotora nguva yakati rebei. Dzimwe nguva kurapwa muNetherlands kunewo hutsinye mune dzimwe nyaya kunze kwekorona.

  5. Renee Martin anoti kumusoro

    Corona chirwere chitsva uye hapana aiziva kuti kurapa kwakanyanya chii uye kuti chaizopararira sei. Zvinoita sekuti pakanga pasina uye hakuna kukwana kukwanisa kurapa vanhu vane chirwere chakakomba, saka sarudzo dzinofanira kuitwa. Ndinovimba tinogona kudzidza zvidzidzo kubva mumwedzi yapfuura uye zvinoita sekunge isu tinofanirwa kushandisa mari yakawanda kana tichida kubatsira munhu wese.

  6. John anoti kumusoro

    Hurukuro huru. Ndinofunga murume uyu anotsanangura zvakanaka uye anosimbisa izvo vazhinji vedu vanowanzo funga uye kunzwa. Ngativimbei kuti hatina huwandu hwepamusoro hwevakabatwa nekuda kwehupfumi uye hwepfungwa.

  7. Chris anoti kumusoro

    Amai vangu (93) vanogara mumusha unochengeterwa vakwegura kuEindhoven. NGUVA yekushamwaridzana yezuva ndeyekudya kwemanheru nevamwe vagari vese. Izvo zvamiswa kwemavhiki izvozvi nekuda kweCovid-19. Iye zvino anogona kuuya kuzotora uye kudya chikafu mumba make. Ari munzira kuenda ku restuarnat nekudzoka, anoona vamwe vagari vemo, asi anofanirwa kuramba ari kure uye munhu wese anotya. Kushanya kwevana nevazukuru kunorambidzwawo.
    Sisi vangu vane kiyi yemusuwo wekudivi uko pasina 'security'. Anoshanyira amai vangu nokuda kwekofi uye zvokudya zvishomanene (zvikurukuru zvemangwanani nemichero) kashoma pavhiki. Amai vangu vari kufara zvavo.
    Ndine chokwadi chekuti kana ukabvunza amai vangu kana vachida kurarama mamwe makore mashanu pasi pehutongi hwecovid kana makore maviri kana matatu nerusununguko rwese dambudziko risati raitika, havafanire kufunga kaviri: kudzokera kune zvakajairika, kwete iyo 'itsva. ' normal. Dr. Erwin ari pachokwadi.

    • Rob V. anoti kumusoro

      Dr. Nyaya yaErwin yakanyanyisa, haatauri nhamba dzakasiyana-siyana (zve uye zvinopesana). Asi izvo vazhinji vanobvumirana nazvo, ini ndinotenda, ini handitendi mune 'nyowani yakajairika' apo isu tinofanirwa kuchengetedza imwe nzira yekushamwaridzana kwemakore anotevera. Nhanho nenhanho kudzokera kune zvakajairika. Pakumhanya kwakadini? Icho chisarudzo chakaoma, asi kana zvikatora makore, unopengesa vanhu uye, mukuona kwangu, uchakonzera kukuvara kusingapfuuri vakabatwa neCorona.

      • Ger Korat anoti kumusoro

        Ehe, kana iwe uchida kuona akasiyana manhamba zvakanyanya, iwe unogona zvakare kuwana izvi pamusoro pemvura iwe pachako, handiti?
        Semuenzaniso, kufa kwese kwefuruwenza kwaendepi gore rino? Uye nei takava nevhiki svondo rapfuura nerufu rwunopfuura mazana maviri rwerufu kupfuura zvazvinofanira kuva.
        ona link:
        https://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/nieuws/2020/21/sterfte-in-week-20-lager-dan-normaal

        Uye nei nzanga yese isina kuvharwa munguva yakapfuura kana paine zviuru zvekuwedzera kufa mumavhiki mashoma kana mwedzi nekuda kwefuruu, iyo yaigonawo kudzivirirwa nematanho aripo?

        Utachiona hahuperi uye mushonga wehutachiona hunochinja (ndakanzwisisa kubva kuna Dr. Erwin) inhema. Kufambidzana munharaunda injodzi kune vakawanda uye kuhupfumi, tsika, kushanya uye nezvimwe. Uye zvakare zvine njodzi kune hutano nekuti, nekuda kwekusangana, hafu yehuwandu yatove immune / ine masoja ekudzivirira chirwere nekuda kwe4 akasiyana mavhairasi echando atinogara tichipfuudza kune mumwe nemumwe. Saka semunhu asina basa ndinoti: kurumidza kudzokera kune zvakajairika vanhu vakawanda vasati vawana coronavirus.

        • Rob V. anoti kumusoro

          Pamwe ipfungwa isinganzwisisike, asi mukuona kwangu mumwe munhu anoita nharo anofanirawo kusimbisa izvi uye kusimbisa zvirevo. Saka kana changamire vakati vakafa vanenge vachembera vasina kumbogara kwenguva refu, ndinoda kunzwa manhamba nezvimwe. Ndaneta nekupopota pasina tsigiro (zvisinei nekuti munhu wacho arikufarira matanho akasimba eCorona here kana kuti arikuda kusiya zvese). Ndinoda kuteerera kune zvakasiyana-siyana, asi ndinoda kuona kutsigirwa. Saka ini ndiri sosi yen’anga isingangotendi mumaziso ebhuruu akanaka emunhu, zvisinei nekuti (un) anoshamisa sei mutauri.

          • Peter (aimbova Khun) anoti kumusoro

            Ipapo nhamba idzodzo dzinofanira kunge dziripo. Muchinda uyu anotaura zvaakaona kuchipatara kwake, handifungi kuti ane chikonzero chekunyepa izvozvo? MuThailand iwe unowana ongororo yekuona kuti kufa kwekorona kune makore mangani uye kuti nhoroondo yake yekurapa yaive yei uye basa remunhu rinotaurwa zvakare. Isu takaverengawo kuti vangani vanhu muThailand vakarapwa Corona. MuEngland, hunyanzvi hwekufa kwekorona hunochengetedzwa zvakare (iyi saka inonakidza ruzivo). MuNetherlands, kune rumwe rutivi, tinongonzwa zvishomanene zvikuru pamusoro pokuti ndiani akafa. Mazera akasiiwa. Uchiziva here? Vane chimwe chinhu chokuvanza here?

          • HarryN anoti kumusoro

            Ndichakubatsira! Dr Erwin havadi kuti ndiratidzewo izvozvo nenhamba.KuGermany Hamburg kuna Prof. Dr Klaus Puschel mukuru weautopsy pachipatara ipapo. Akaongorora 140 "corona" kufa uye mhedzisiro yake yaive / ndeye: vese vaive vafa nezvirwere zvakakomba uye vakatotaura kuti corona chirwere chisingakuvadze. Pane mawebhusaiti akati wandei anoratidza izvi. Iwe unoti uri sosi ye fetishist, asi ini ndinongoona AD/Trouw/Volkskrant uye hongu zvakare Bangkok positi iyo muverengi akashamisikawo kana bepanhau iri richienderanawo nehurumende. Nehurombo, iyo MSM haisi iyo yakanakisa sosi sezvo ivo vachingoda kuparadzira kutya. Zvitarise zvimwe paYouTube: Dr Ioannidis/Londonreal/DR. Rashid Buttar/Dr Shiva Ayyaduras/DR.Anrew Kaufman/Dr Judy Mikovits kana DR Campbell /commonsens tv kana hongu EJBron uye kunyange Jensen.nl uye ona kuti hapana chaakasika pachake asi anotarisawo munyika uye kune mamwe mawebhusaiti akawanda. zvimwe nezvechitsotsi chikuru chakaitika kwatiri.

        • Ruud anoti kumusoro

          Vashakabvu vanorwara nefuruwenza vanowanzonyoreswa kwakazofa murwere.
          Semuenzaniso, pneumonia (kana iwe uchigona kuitora kubva kufuru).

          Ndakanga ndatoona izvi painternet panguva yekutsvaga kwangu kufa kwefuruwenza kubva kuCBS, asi ini handichayeuki pane saiti.

          Sezviri pachena izvi zvinoshanda zvakasiyana neCorona uye kufa kwakadhindwa pasi peCorona.

      • Chris anoti kumusoro

        Ndinofunga kuti nyaya yehurumende yakareruka kubva pakutanga. Uye isu tichakohwa zvinovava zvibereko izvozvo kwenguva refu kwazvo iri kuuya.
        Tingave takaponesa chiverengero chakati chavanhu vakwegura kubva kurufu rwakati kupfurikidza nokuvavharira zvishoma kana kuti zvishoma, tisina kuvabvunza kana kwakanga kwakanaka. Uye chii chichaitika muna 2021? Kwete, kwete kuderedzwa pamudyandigere wehurumende; hapana hurumende inoshinga kuita izvozvo, asi inoita pamapenjeni. Ndiani anowana mari shoma? Zvakarurama, vakwegura takarega. Uye ndiani achakurumidza kugeza maoko ake mukusava nemhosva? Right, hurumende yaRutte nekuti mari dzemudyandigere hadzisi dzehurumende.

  8. Eric Kuypers anoti kumusoro

    Dzimwe nyika zhinji dzakatorawo matanho sezvakaitwa nehurumende yeDutch. Kusvika panguva yekudzoka kumba uye kurambidzwa kwemigwagwa yedunhu, kuvharwa kwezvikoro nemiganhu, kutonga kwemiromo inoputika uye tembiricha. China yakavhara zvachose guta remamiriyoni.

    Dr. Erwin Kompanje inyanzvi inozivikanwa zvikuru. Asi ndinonzwisisa here kuti Netherlands chete ndiyo ine nyanzvi yakakura kudaro? Kana kuti chokwadi, sezvinowanzoitika pano, chiri pakati here?

  9. janbeute anoti kumusoro

    Hurukuro inoshamisa yandinobvumirana nayo zvachose.
    Nekuti kana murume auya nejeko ndiyo nguva yekuenda, zvakadaro.

    Jan Beute.

    • Tarud anoti kumusoro

      Nekuti vanhu vazhinji vanogara nekushanda pasi pano uye nekuda kwekuti hutachiona hunowedzera huchimuka, isu tichafanirwa kufunga kuti isu tichafanirwa kutora akawanda uye akawanda matanho. Ndinofunga zvakanaka kutarisa hutachiwana hweHIV neAIDS. Munhu wese ave kuziva kuti kana uchida kudzivirira utachiona unofanira kushandisa kondomu risina njodzi kana kugara nemunhu akachengeteka. Humwe utachiona hunopararira nemumuromo, mumhino nemumaziso. Kudzivirirwa kwakanyanya kusanganiswa kwechiso chekudzivirira uye mhino/muromo mask. Izvi zvinoshandiswawo nevarapi vehutano. Nekudzivirira kaviri uku, hapana kukiya pasi kunodiwa, hapana 1.5 metres kureba.
      Zviitiko zvakawanda zvinogona kuitwa nekudzivirira kaviri uku. Saka kana tikawana kubuda kutsva kweCovid19, 20, 21, 22 panguva yechinyakare, munhu wese anofanira kukurumidza kuendesa kudzivirira kwakapetwa kaviri. Iyoyo ingava mhinduro iri nyore, yakachipa, uko upenyu hwenguva dzose hunogona kupfuurira. Hapana kukiya pasi, asi nhovo yechiso uye muromo / mhino kavha. Kondomu idzva, 1 mita kureba.

  10. Jacques anoti kumusoro

    Hupenyu hunogumira kumunhu wese uye izvo hazvimbo chinja kunyangwe paine vanhu vanoita sevanoda kuhutambanudza kwenguva yakareba sezvinobvira. Ndinogona kufungidzira chimwe chinhu pamusoro peizvi, asi pasi pemamiriro ekugara, ayo anowanzoshaikwa mukukwegura. Vazhinji vedu takura uye tava kurwara pasina mhosva. Kunewo vazhinji vedu vanongoita zvatinoda muhupenyu uye vanowanzova vasina hutano. Iwe pamwe unovaziva pakati peshamwari dzako nemhuri kana pamwe izvi zvinoshanda kwauri. Ndinonzwisisa kuti tsvagiridzo inoratidza kuti vanhu vakura vane hutano vane zvishoma kana kuti havana chekutya kubva kuhutachiona uhu. Ndivo vakwegura vasina hutano vanowanzofa neizvi uye kana zvisiri kubva kuhutachiona uhu kubva kune chimwe chinhu, nokuti kune zvirwere zvakawanda zvinouraya vanhu. Muzvinafundo Scherder nguva pfupi yadarika akataura nezvazvo paTV zvakare uye muchidimbu nekuda kwekusava nehanya kwekudya nekunwa maitiro uye kusakwana kwekurovedza muviri kwevakawanda, isu tava nehurumende inofanirwa kuita sarudzo iyo, mukutarisa, haina kubuda zvakanyanya. Kuvhara gomba rimwe nerimwe uye pakupedzisira kunyura zvekuti vanhu vazhinji vanofa. Sarudzo pamusoro pehutano nekurarama kwakanaka uye zvese zvine chekuita nazvo, sekufa nehutachiona uhu, chinhu icho vanhu pachavo vane basa guru. Ndinoziva vanhu vakawanda vasingagoni kurarama vasina doro uye vanotaura nezvazvo zvishoma uye kunyange kutaura kuti vanonyanya kushandisa. Kana vakafa, izvi zvinosuwisa, asi zvinofanira kuva basa revamwe. handifungi kudaro. Kuyera chinhu chimwe kune chimwe chinhu chatinofanira kuita tese uye mhedzisiro iripo kune wese munhu, saka iva murume akanaka kana mukadzi mune izvo uye usarega nzanga ichitambura neizvi.

  11. Chris anoti kumusoro

    Nzira yacho yaifanira kunge yakasiyana here? Kubva pakutanga ndakanetseka zvakanyanya kana matanho ese akaomesesa munyaya yeCovid-19 ainyatsodiwa. Pamusoro pekutevera nhau nekuverenga zvinyorwa, mazuva ese kusvika pakupera kwaKurume, ndairova migwagwa, ndikatora zvifambiso zvevoruzhinji kuenda kubasa kuBangkok uye huwandu hwehutachiona hwakanga husingaite kusvika vashandi vekuThai vadzoka kubva kuSeoul. Asi ndakanga ndiri inzwi rokuchema murenje. Iye zvino ndinozviwana ndiri mukambani isingadiwi yePVV neFvD, iyo yakatanga kubvumirana nezviyero (pakuvharwa kwezvikoro, somuenzaniso) asi vakangoerekana vachinja maonero avo iye zvino kuti kune mamwe maitiro ekurwisana nehurumende. Ivo havapokane nekuti mutemo unoda kuchinjwa, asi nekuda kwezvikonzero zverusununguko uye kusavapo kwehwaro hwepamutemo hwematanho akaomarara.
    Nzira yacho ingave yakasiyana here? Zvirokwazvo. Nyaya yekuti hutachiona hwekorona hwaive hutsva uye kuti vezvematongerwo enyika vaisaziva zvekuita inhema dzakakomba dzezvinofanirwa kuitwa nevezvematongerwo enyika, zvinova kutungamira mhinduro kumatambudziko akatarisana nenyika. Kana vachingotarisira chitoro, mwana wamai vangu anogonawo kutonga nyika. Uye - zvinoshamisa zvakakwana - kwave kune matambudziko akakwana asingatarisirwi muNetherlands ayo vezvematongerwo enyika vaigona kubata: kurwiswa kwebhomba, kuponda kwevanoziva, kubiwa kwechitima uye ndege, kupfura ndege ine vanhu vechiDutch vari muchikepe, nezvimwe kukanganisa kukuru kwekorona. mutemo ndewekuti (zvichiri) kuti zvese zvakaiswa pasi pemafungiro nezano rebazi rezvekurapa, uyezve chikamu chidiki chechikamu ichocho (virologists) chave rudzi rwekutenda uko pasina kushoropodzwa kunogoneka uye kusagamuchirwa, kusvika nguva pfupi yadarika. . Vhidhiyo ine kubvunzurudzwa nevarapi vaviri vakaomarara vekuAmerica ikozvino yabviswa paYouTube kechipiri. (nekuda kweiyo fake news qualifier)
    Kana munhu angadai akadzidza mhirizhonga dzidziso zvishoma, mumwe aizoziva kuti hapana chitsva munyika ino chiri chitsva zvachose, asi zvikuru anotevera maitiro akanga atovako. “Pakutanga, chaos theory imusimboti wesainzi unotsanangura kusatarisika kwezvirongwa zvakaita semamiriro ekunze, nharaunda nemafambiro emvura. Nepo masisitimu akadaro achiratidzira hunhu husina kurongeka, anogona kutsanangurwa nemasvomhu uye haana kungoita mhirizhonga sekufunga kunoita munhu. " Izvi zvinoshanda nemaalgorithms ayo anoshandiswawo neFB, semuenzaniso. Zvichienderana nemaitiro ekutsvaga uye kupa mhinduro uye zvaunofarira masikati asati asvika, algorithm inogona kuona kuti wakashushikana sei zuva iro. Hutachiona hwekorona hunotevera mamwe maitiro anoburitswa nemuongorori de Hond muhurukuro dzakasiyana siyana. Hapana chinoitwa zvachose neruzivo urwu rwunofambira mberi, rwakavakirwa patsvagiridzo. Zvakadaro kwete.

  12. Tino Kuis anoti kumusoro

    Mashoko achangobva kuitika kubva kuBrazil neMexico anoratidza kuti kune kufa kwakanyanya pakati pevechidiki kupfuura muEurope.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/coronavirus-brazil-killing-young-developing-world/2020/05/22/f76d83e8-99e9-11ea-ad79-eef7cd734641_story.html

    Quote:
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