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Home » Visa question » Thailand visa question: Non immigrant O visa, if you have been rejected?
Thailand visa question: Non immigrant O visa, if you have been rejected?
Dear Ronnie,
The site of the Thai consulate in Amsterdam states that you must be retired to obtain a Non-Immigrant visa type O. It literally says "You can apply for this visa if you are fifty years or older and are demonstrably retired".
I have been 100% rejected for years and also over 50, am I then legally retired? And if so, how do I demonstrate that?
Regards,
Fred
Dear Fred,
I'm Belgian and I don't know anything about AOW/pension in the Netherlands. Can't help you with that either. But then I think, if someone is officially retired, he / she should still draw AOW / pension. That's your proof. That's how it is.
Whether you are on pension according to the law in your situation? No idea. I think you should know better than I what your legal situation is.
You can always contact the consulate and explain your situation.
Perhaps there are readers who can say what the legal situation is with your situation based on the information you provide.
Regards
RonnyLatYa
In my opinion, 'demonstrably retired/aow' actually means no more or less than that you must have OR savings OR income that does not come from work, simply to live on without having to work. Because when you're 50 you basically don't have a state pension or a pension yet, of course. There are more than minimum requirements for that savings/income; 800,000 THB in a Thai account or proven income of equivalent 65,000 THB per month.
For a Non-immigrant 'O' visa application, you do not need to have 800 Baht in a Thai account if you use a bank account. An amount with the equivalent value in Euro on a European account is also sufficient. The amount of the countervalue is determined by the embassy.
The consulate in Amsterdam does not issue multiple entry, so the above financial requirements do not apply.
– Copy of the bank statements of the last two months with ; your name , current
– Positive balance of 1.000 euros, all debits and credits, your pension/aow.
Well Ronny, now you completely surprise me... So there shouldn't be THB 800.000 in a Thai account?! Then I would comply with the regulations with my bank statements from my accounts in Belgium (in Euros)... Should these also be “legitimized” or how is this demonstrated and accepted?
Yours faithfully,
Yan
Dear Yan,
This is about applying for a visa at the embassy.
Then you can use both a European account in Euro and a Thai account in Baht.
Or do you think that everyone who applies for a Non-immigrant “O” in the embassy has a Thai account with 800 000 Bath?
When applying for a one-year extension in Thailand at immigration, the amount must be in a Thai account. This may be in Baht, but a bank account in a foreign currency (FCA) is usually also accepted. As long as it is in a Thai account in Thailand.
Savings do NOT qualify you for a non-immigrant 0 multiple visa for Thailand. Incidentally, this visa means that you still have to do a border run every 3 months. You can only obtain this visa at the embassy in The Hague, not at the consulate in Amsaterdam.
As for the term "pension": this is an elastic concept for the Thai consulate in The Hague, there is a good chance that they will simply accept a periodic benefit in the context of disability.
I would just try there.
And why wouldn't you qualify for a Non-immigrant “O” Multiple entry with savings (800 Baht or equivalent)? The Hague is the only embassy I know that would not accept savings.
Dear Ronny, Embassy in The Hague is much stricter than Amsterdam.
Savings (was at least 20.000 euros) are no longer accepted since October last year. this for Non-Immigrant O single entry, They want to see that you have benefits/income.
I don't know about Amsterdam, I'd like to know too.
You can also see it on the website (Amsterdam) there is no longer talk of savings of at least 20.000 euros as was the case last year.
Pension and that age of 50+ is a very strange concept, because who can retire at 50?
it could also be that if you come to the right person on the right day, it can be done again. It is a sad state of affairs with the many interpretations at the various embassies.
regards Karel
In the consulate of Amsterdam it was until recently an income of 600 euros and 1200 euros if you were married to a non-Thai and this person did not work.
An amount of 20 euros was not requested in Amsterdam for a Non-immigrant “O” Single entry and Multiple entry is not available there.
Which is not to say that it was not accepted.
As for the age of 50 or +.
This is what is officially requested by Thailand. Because they see this as the retirement age for everyone. For example, for an extension in Thailand, that age will at least be required for “Retired”.
Embassies/consulates that raise that age do so on their own initiative.
“It is a sad state of affairs with the many interpretations at the various embassies”
I fully agree with you there.
At both the consulate in Amsterdam and the embassy in The Hague it was no problem at all to obtain a SINGLE O visa upon presentation of 50 plus and 5000 euros in the account. Multiple O visas are only issued to non-active people who receive regular benefits. As a wealthy rentier, I was NOT eligible. Not even for a double tourist visa, which you will only get if you can show pay slips.
They can't make it crazier.
A distinction must be made between the multiple O visa and the OA visa. With the first you have to do a border run every 3 months, for a year, with the OA visa you go to immigration every 3 months for a stamp, and you must have that 800.000 baht, or 65,000 baht income. This does NOT have to be a pension.
Hello Jasper regarding Non immigrant O single entry
How long has this been? and which embassies does it apply?
5000 euros on a savings account or on a current account?
I assume they want at least 2 months overview of the current account.
So you don't think there should be regular income or benefits / wages on the payment account? as long as there is only 5000 euros on it?
The Hague can be very difficult and since last year they have changed the conditions.
I was refused a Non Immigrant O single entry (The Hague) with only a savings account with 28000 euros on it. (so no current account)
Very confusing all those different advice and experiences of the governing veins. But the most confusing are the Embassies themselves, with the constant often unclear changes that are almost impossible to keep up with, but also with the many differences at the various embassies.
Regards J.Kromhout
Fred is 100% disapproved of work and will receive disability benefits either from a private policy or from the mandatory employee insurance schemes. Possibly Mr WIA, the successor to the WAO. AOW, the national old-age provision, comes at a later age (66 and +) and Fred's company pension may still be at 65 years.
Are you retired then? I say yes. Fred has a disability pension and that meets what the Dikke van Dale calls a pension: “…periodic benefit that someone receives after dismissal from an office due to reaching a set age, or due to disability, if necessary. paid to his widow and orphans after his death..” Now the WIA does not meet the last requirement, but it says 'possibly'.
Then it all depends on what the embassy calls 'pension'. I deduce from the text that people do not mean WIA by pension. If one persists in this then Fred will have bad luck and he will have to provide his visa in a different way.
That's Ronny's area again. Possibly, but I give my opinion for a better one: get a T-visa, put 8 tons in the bank in TH, go to Laos and maybe it will work if you show the bank balance. Remember, for Laos you have to make an appointment via the internet otherwise you won't get in…
Success!
He doesn't have to go to Laos for that.
You can also convert a Tourist status in Thailand to a Non-immigrant “O” visa.
I mean "You can also convert a Tourist status in Thailand to a Non-immigrant "O" status" necessary to obtain a year extension later.
Right, that's what I mean. And is 'pension' the criterion or just 8 euros in the bank?
For “Retired” in Thailand it is always a combination of age and financial requirements.
Retirement or not is not important.
Only in embassies/consulates can one make an issue of that pension.
What I have learned and experienced so far in connection with a non-immigrant OA visa is the following:
– for your planning : count on having to go to the embassy 2 or 3 times
– each counter can independently decide whether to let you through or not, they are in charge (not you)
– each counter has its own rules, also in Europe and only they know their own rules
– forget the internet : interesting for information but usually not accurate for 'your' counter
– the servants have to follow the rules, so keep your cool when you encounter Kafka
So : Prepare a file as best you can, use the information you have and go to the counter to make your request. They will tell you what is wrong and what to do. It probably won't work the first time, but you can also get lucky of course.
That's my experience. Without guarantees.
He's not going to apply for a Non-Immigrant "OA" anyway.
This concerns the consulate in Amsterdam and they are not allowed to issue a Non-immigrant “OA” and also not a Non-immigrant “O” Multiple entry.
If you are going to apply for a Non-immigrant “OA” with the conditions of a Non-immigrant “O”, then this is indeed incorrect.
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The name of your state will not interest the Thai government. I have been living in Thailand for 7 years and I am in transitional care. Monthly enough to meet the requirements for my retirement visa O. And that is also only looked at, whether I meet the financial requirements.
This concerns applying for a visa at an embassy or consulate. Not about extending a period of stay at immigration
There are several embassies that then raise the age requirement from 50 to 60 or more and ask for proof of pension.
If you don't succeed in the Netherlands at the embassy
you can always go to germany (Essen) I myself (have a WIA benefit) am going to germany
had been an amount of € 6000 in my account for the financial requirements.
Furthermore, only completed visa form, passport photos and of course passport.
Paid €60 and after 20 minutes I had my visa non immigrant-o.
This was in April last year.
Groet
George
That is indeed a solution.
According to the comments I read, Essen seems to respect the age requirement of 50 and they do not require proof of actual retirement.
Just to clarify, I'm on disability insurance and therefore have a periodic benefit. It might be helpful to add the link to the website: https://www.royalthaiconsulate-amsterdam.nl/visum-toelichting/ . So I am talking about a single entry Non-Immigrant visa type O that is valid for 3 months. So it has nothing to do with 800.000 THB in a Thai bank or showing my Dutch bank balances, but I do have to show a positive balance of at least 1000 euros and my bank statements from the last 2 months, and they will also pay my benefit on that. which I assume should still be the same minimum amount as before (I thought it was 65.000 THB per month).
A few months ago, the consulate increased this amount to 1000 Euro on an account.
Previously, an income of 600 Euros was sufficient and 1200 Euros if you were married to a non-Thai and did not work.
It is not immediately clear what the income requirement is now.
I am over 50 and rejected, I have had a NO visa, proof that you have 5000 in your bank and an income of more than 600 per month, but also show a return ticket in The Hague
I am 59 and receive a former military benefit. A kind of pre-pension, but it is not an AOW or formal pension. Last year I got a Non immigrant O visa without any problems. In my opinion, the point is that you can demonstrate that you are no longer employed or that you enjoy an income that is no longer matched by work.
Last year this requirement was not yet an issue Willem, then I got the visa without any problems. I think many people over 50 who used a Non-Immigrant Type O Visa in the past will now struggle with the question of how to prove they will never be employed again. That's why I posted it here on the blog. I only need the visa in 2 months, I will visit the consulate before then to get clarity.
Dear Fred,
All in all, it is best to go to the Amsterdam consulate to ask what proof of income you need to show. The man I met three years ago for my Non-immigrant O is stiff but not unkind and certainly competent.
Here on the blog, it seems you mainly get advice about what you didn't ask... except for Ronny's, it's a lot of advice that only gets you more confused.
Success!
When it comes to a non imm O single then to Amsterdam or Essen.
Amsterdam (consulate) is a bit more flexible than The Hague (embassy).
Dear, whether you are Belgian or Dutch, a Thai embassy abroad always provides general and never up-to-date information. You are 50+, you go to Thailand without a visa, when you arrive everyone gets 30 free visas, which can be extended for 30 days for 1900 THB, which gives you 2 months right to stay there and interact with expats there. I have had a "retirement visa" there since 2010 until last year, there are several options to legally reside in LOS without a deposit of 20.000 euros in a local bank and proof of monthly income from abroad of at least €1650/month... If you really want to retire in SE Asia, consider other neighboring countries such as Cambodia (full visa 3 years for 1000$), Vietnam or Laos.. Kind regards
Fred, for what it's worth...
In mid-November 2018 I applied for and received a Non-immigrant “O” Single entry at the embassy in The Hague.
I have been rejected 80-100% and received/will receive a benefit from the UWV of more than €600.
They wanted all bank transactions from the previous 2 months, not just the credits. My bank account balance was 5 digits before the decimal point.
I have given them the booking confirmation for a return ticket AMS-BKK from mid-December to the end of April.
When handing over the visa, I was asked what I intended to do after 90 days in Thailand. I replied that I would apply for an “extension of stay” in Thailand.