How long does it take to respond to an MVV application?
Dear editors,
Is there anything to say about how long it takes, after you have correctly submitted all the necessary papers required for the MVV application, before you receive a response (rejection or approval)?
Thanks in advance,
groot,
Ruud
Dear Ruud,
The only certainty you have is that you will normally receive an answer between 1 and 90 days. In special circumstances (for example an investigation into possible fraud), the IND could extend the statutory period. Usually you have the results after a month or 2, but with the IND you never know!
See also the 'immigration Thai partner' file (in the menu on the left), on page 9:
How long does an application take?
Maximum 3 months. But how long you have to wait is impossible to say. There are people who already have a rash within a few weeks, or even a few days. There are also people who only hear from the IND on day number 90. You could assume a month or 2, but keep in mind that it can also go a lot faster or slower, there is no way to draw an arrow.”
Have fun with the IND vicissitudes…
Regards,
Rob V
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And of course check carefully what you get back. My Thai lady, appointed for export from NL etc to Thailand, had the nationality on it: TAIWANESE. Yes, those specialists clearly did not know the difference between Thailand and Taiwan (or wrongly clicked on their computer and not checked). Unfortunately for her on a return flight from Heathrow, she could no longer enter Schiphol Netherlands.
Incidentally, it took 10 months before an MVV with work permit was issued, which was one year in total, and could not be extended, despite even a subsidy promise from the Dutch Ministry of Economic Affairs.
Do not forget to make any mistakes in the name, date of birth, etc., because this is a reason for rejection for the IND.
Usually things go well with the IND, etc., but sometimes things go wrong or they send you in a mess. Be assertive, check the work of the officials if you are not unlucky with a stupid human error. Applicants sometimes make these, civil servants do too. And an official from another counter will surely stumble over those mistakes and tell you that you should have checked that carefully.
Your story is known, remains sad, your only mistake (besides forgetting to check the officials) was that this lady let herself be sent away by the KMar. Never do! Then get a lawyer involved
Most people will go through the procedures on time and without fumbling, but things can go wrong. That's why it's so important to be assertive. And arrows what fellow sufferers experience / experienced via blogs or forums (foreign partner, mixed couples, etc.) can certainly do no harm.
Well,
The longer it takes, the better it has been checked, or the higher the pile is.
If everything is in order and the pile is "low", you will have an answer within two weeks, but if there is even a single doubt or if the pile is high, it can take months.
Indeed Rob, with the IND you never know. My partner is now waiting 3,5 months for the regular extension of the residence permit with a validity of 5 years. The exceeding of the 'normal' maximum processing time of 3 months is not because a change of residence has taken place, but, according to a statement on the IND website dated 6 July (an e-mail is apparently too much trouble), because more renewal applications would have been submitted than expected. Now it is true that you cannot simply request an extension yourself at any time. You have to wait for the message from the IND, which will be sent to you 3 months before the end, so I would therefore conclude that it is known exactly how many applications there are on a daily basis. The fact is that the period of validity of the current residence permit has now been exceeded, with the consequence, among other things, that you cannot travel outside the Netherlands. Three months after submitting the application with the associated payment of € 240,= the IND was approached by telephone. If you call earlier, no information about the application will be provided. After being on hold for almost 20 minutes, without any indication of how many people were waiting in front of me or any length of time, I got through to an employee. The application was still 'under consideration' was her response and if my partner wanted to travel outside the Netherlands, this was possible by means of a voucher in the passport. Had to be picked up at an IND counter, for which an appointment had to be made online and the waiting time was 2 weeks! Of course I remained friendly to the employee, after all she cannot do anything about it and it is a matter of organization within the IND. I did ask her how she would experience it if she had to wait in uncertainty for more than 3 months for a new passport when extending/renewing her passport. There was a moment of silence and then she told me that she would ask the relevant department to process the request 'urgently'. To be clear, the permit has been extended several times in the past. Circumstances are the same and I assume for the IND to be viewed online within a few moments. If this extension request has to take so long, then I fear for the processing time of Ruud's 1st request. I wouldn't wish Ruud any pleasure with the IND troubles, rather strength!
The application for extension can indeed be made 3 months in advance, they can also take 3 months and then you can give them notice of default (see IND website about maximum terms). Then they have some time to check it (I don't know the term off the top of my head) and if they haven't done anything then they have to pay you a daily penalty as compensation. Usually the IND does not let it come to that. Are they over the deadline? Immediately notify the IND of default, preferably by fax or registered mail, so that there are no excuses that you never received anything.
Another tip for everyone:
Incidentally, with the first applications, the IND often used to extend the 3-month period by 2 weeks as standard. When it was not yet possible to make online applications, you could only pay once the IND sent a letter of payment. According to the law, the term then suspends by the number of days it takes to transfer the payment. With a maximum of two weeks. So if you pay immediately on the day you received the letter, the delay is one day. And no, the excuse that people only 'see or hear' after a week that the money has already been received for a week does not count, of course. But many people took the maximum extension of 2 weeks without protesting, when an INDer says 'due to waiting for your payment we can take 2 weeks according to the law' (yes maximum!!). Fortunately, you can now pay online immediately at the time of application, then they can no longer do that kind of silly antics.
Other than that, it remains a black box: the requests come into a digital pool, which department selects them? How long does it take the official to look at it? to decide? Throw the file back in the pond for the official in the next phase? If you are lucky then it is literally a matter of days, if you are unlucky then they will go up to and over the maximum term. On average, you can count on a lead time of 80-100% of the maximum time they are allowed to take.
Dear Rob, the legal process is clear and well worded by you. But my point is that it is apparently considered normal that the IND has already been given 3 months for a simple extension and then in a number of cases (I don't know how many) have not yet dealt with it. After those 3 months, the period of validity of the current residence permit has in any case been exceeded and the dire consequences can be read on the internet. Such as people who were fired because the employer did not want to run the risk, wrongly, that he would be fined. If the Dutch had to wait that long to apply for a new driver's license or passport, the country would be turned upside down. Of course I understand that there may be problems or questions with a number of applications/extensions for a residence permit and that more time is therefore needed, but I find it ridiculous that the standard time can be 3 months. All the more so because you cannot apply for an extension yourself at a time that is more suitable, for example because of a holiday to be planned, but you have to wait for the message from the IND, 3 months before the expiry date. In my opinion, the IND could provide more customer service anyway. For example, it is only possible to make appointments online and that no information is given about the (long) waiting time when contacted by telephone is extremely frustrating.
I totally agree with you. By the way, extension is a formality, given unchanged circumstances, such a decision will be made in a few minutes (!!). I know stories from the recent past (period 2005-2012) where providing a (first or new) VVR was a piece of cake. Literally 'ready while you wait'. But the emphasis has now shifted to waiting… Of course personnel will have been moved internally (for example from VVR regular to VVR asylum, or from/to the naturalization department, etc.), but as you say, the IND can already reach the issue of the VVR when the foreign national comes knocking again for a new VVR.
So preferably naturalize (possible while retaining Thai nationality if married or compelling interests such as loss of land/inheritance) so that you are rid of IND once and for all. My friends aren't. (nothing against the INDers who are also annoyed by the red tape and clumsiness, but those fanatics ... think they will be cut short or flee).
Yes Rob, naturalization would indeed prevent annoyance and would also be more financially attractive. My partner has been legally resident in the Netherlands for more than 15 years and therefore meets the requirements of the option scheme, but unfortunately does not have a birth certificate. Tried in the past to obtain a replacement birth certificate at the town hall in the Thai hometown. Wasn't successful then (I wrote about it on Thailand blog before) and therefore still dependent on the IND. Thank you for your responses and my compliments for your always expert advice on questions regarding immigration to and residence in the Netherlands for foreigners.
Information:
On June 6, I submitted the MVV application to the IND. As of today, August 5, no results have been received.
I do know from my Thai partner that the ladies with whom she did the A1 course in BKK (and who had already tied the knot in NL) all received a positive result in a relatively short time. Even those who submitted the MVV application later than me.
When asked by the IND, the answer was that this was purely coincidental.
Hey Hansest,
Also coincidentally, I just wrote a message here that our application went so quickly May 28, everything sent and July 4 after another positive message. My wife was also on A1 in Khon Kean at that time, her name is Dang, good luck Greetings Joop
We have also been waiting since June 12th 🙁
A friend of ours also had a girlfriend in Thailand. In February he visited her for another month. When he returned, it turned out that he had a serious form of cancer and his wish was to have his girlfriend come to the Netherlands for a short time .I then wrote a letter to the IND and explained everything and also asked if there was a possibility to get an accelerated visa. Unfortunately, things went downhill very quickly for the man and he died within a few weeks.
After 6 weeks I received a message from the IND which procedures had to be followed to apply for an accelerated visa, so super fast and compassionate these people. On behalf of Hans (deceased friend) thank you very much IND !!!
In case of real urgency, where it can be a matter of days or a single week, I would not (only) write but (also) call or visit a counter (by appointment). If your letter ends up in a big pile, then you are too late….
For example, a friend of mine brought over a foreigner (not his own partner) from Indonesia due to the death of a family member. Calling the embassy in BKK, emailing the RSO Asia (Kuala Lumpur) yielded nothing ('because no immediate family' or 'we won't transfer' without telling you where you had to be). The third way was to call the IND, where he first also gets to hear 'we understand your problem, but that lady is not a direct family member, so…' but after a polite but urgent appeal to humanity, the IND was willing to make an exception and could something be done. arranged, 1,5 days later the lady was on the plane to the Netherlands. There was some bullshit with the KMar who started about fraud, called the referee and she told him that the KMar were being disrespectful (no, the visa sticker and IND letter were not convincing enough). Start talking about fraud while someone is half crying at the border and wants to go to the funeral ASAP. After that it was allowed through, it was all borderline. In case of urgency, therefore, keep a cool head, politely insist, insist even more and open several lines in case you meet the wrong official.
I am in the process of getting my partner and her children here.
However, I have engaged a lawyer (725 euros) who specializes in immigration law, who knows exactly what the IND considers important and is therefore more easily able to present a “suitable” picture.
Applications will go out next week. So it will be exciting how quickly everything will go.
The IND is a terrible organization. DE sub-department of aliens police ditto.
In the first instance you will have to deal with the IND. For the first application, everything went “fairly” fast for a government agency, 2 months or so
.I got married abroad and came back with bride, everything ok. Then I applied for an MVV, after which I received a firm denial from the IND. 1 piece of paper was not translated and legalized, choice was make sure within the set time and otherwise return to your own country. Fortunately, my (then) wife still had the contacts, where everything was arranged regarding marriage. This way we were able to get it arranged within the set time. Even though my (x) wife used to be in the Netherlands for years.
For the short period that she was from the Netherlands and came back, it was stated that she had to have a lung X-ray (TB control). There, explained in hospital and lung X-ray was not taken. After all, you are exposed to radioactive radiation.
My X wife, however, turned out to have a double agenda, unfortunately, hugely mistaken. She was especially happy to be back in the Netherlands. Well ok error, happens.
She also already knew how to proceed in the event of a (successful) total failure marriage (she took care of that). She had applied for a high school education, where she could secure another permit to stay. Even in the first year! It was really great to deal with such a woman. Everything planned!
Sad, but it can just happen to you.
Recently treated to an application for a loan on a dormant and / or account that was still there. Did you know that you can close such an account with ING unilaterally?! Previously both signatures were required, not anymore. Thought never mind.it's asleep.
I found out when a “sorry mistake” loan was requested for this. Well then I knew where she lived and I went by.
ING was extremely careless and even afterwards not even handled the letters of complaint (to the management!), they said that they did not arrive. 1 sent, not received (waiting 6 weeks), 2 had to send it again (waiting 6 weeks), again not received, had to do it again 3rd time.
I then let it rest, after all I had canceled the and / or bill myself. Can only recommend you do it !!
And no via Facebook (many companies are present with their "services") it doesn't work either.
Just see program all you need how many problems have to bring a partner here to the Netherlands for a short time !!
However, a general pardon is given for 10000 asylum seekers who have exhausted all legal remedies, piles of Africans and Syrians are brought in and they are allowed to stay, are even helped !!
But oh, if you as a Dutchman bring a foreigner into your home!!!! My Thai girlfriend, a government officer, is completely interrogated on arrival at Schiphol about how or what !!
Despite being a Thai officer, despite having the license (do you know what that costs (time, money, papers) to get it!!
IND, kmar, really, not a good word for it. Disgusting creatures that only make it literally difficult for a Dutch person and thwart it as much as possible.
Rather short-sighted that if you do not have the documents in order (1 piece of paper was not translated and legalized), to blame the IND. Blaming your own mistakes on others doesn't seem right to me. Just make sure your pieces add up. Those rules are clear and apply to everyone, even you.
So easy to put the blame on the IND, just make sure that the requirements are present and/or filled in correctly, moreover also 'ordinary' workers from Thailand who meet all permits can be questioned completely, wouldn't know why a government officer (what those position may mean) should receive preferential treatment…
The official forms and instructions are not easy for everyone to follow. You should at least sit down when you are going to arrange tax papers, visa or immigration forms. Another honor to read more etc. But not everyone will make sense if you cannot follow the official logic and set-up. When you work meticulously step by step, it usually goes well, but a mistake because you have never chopped with that ax is easily made. I understand that people sometimes forget to supply something. But then you will be told by the officials that you are in default.
And the KMar, well there is also everything from fresh & friendly to tired and sullen. Ideally, everyone should be treated equally and with respect. Sometimes that is not the case. They are also people. But every incident of officials barking or treating the well-intentioned citizen as a criminal is 1 too many.
That's why the visa and migration files: hope that things are formulated in a more understandable way (less official) and as much as possible in 1 place. The various agencies such as IND, municipality, DUO, etc. are actually only concerned with their package of tasks, the reference to how, where, what else via colleague agencies is often lacking. With the files, one can get a good picture from start to finish of the entire procedure regarding short stay or immigration.
Then you can at least get started with some preparation and that's half the work. Always double check what the current rules are so that you don't miss 1 piece of paper or scribble.
May 28 everything collected and sent to Ter Apel, a few days later confirmation, after another letter around June 15 to hand in something about my wages and July 4 positive decision so pretty fast, greetings and good luck Donjoop