Worldwide there are about 65 million people on the run, the majority of which is about 90 percent in the region. Unlike Europe, for example, Thailand does not participate in the UN refugee treaty in which the right to (worldwide) reception is regulated. In practice, this means that people (from the Thai region) who flee to Thailand have no rights there. Thailand sees them as illegal immigrants.
These 130.000 people – by far the majority from Myanmar – live in Thailand in often appalling conditions. They have no access to health care, are not allowed to work, are not allowed to study and are at any time at risk of being arrested and deported. That can mean many years of stagnation and uncertainty. Something that makes people desperate.
Especially those who come from Africa regularly experience contempt and discrimination, even if they have been granted refugee status by the UNHCR (United Nations). Thailand does not recognize this so she still runs the risk of being arrested in a raid or being approached purely on skin color by an agent and asked for papers (where you can look the other way for a small amount of money…). Once arrested, they end up - split by race - with too many people in a cell that is too small. Such detention for illegal residence can last for months. They are not deported, they are released again and then the whole circus starts all over again.
Compare this with Europe, which is also in favor of 'reception in the region' – and also pays for it – but does not turn the door on the relatively small number of people who do come to Europe. Here they are given a fair chance to demonstrate that they are really on the run and that their lives are in danger in their homeland. For example, Thai political refugees found shelter in the UK, France and Sweden in particular. Every year about 40-65 Thai people apply for asylum in Europe.
Now suppose that chaos breaks out in Western Europe, should we Dutch and Belgians seek asylum en masse in Eastern Europe together with millions of other Western Europeans? Cozy together in a camp with very basic facilities or would you still want to flee with your last pennies to Thailand, for example, and obtain at least basic shelter there, even if you no longer have access to bank balances or a (European) income?
If every country would contribute to the care of people who had to leave their hearth and home, this world would become a little bit more beautiful. Of course 'we' like to see people mainly stay in the region and do so so that with a bit of luck they can return after a few years. Let Thailand also take its responsibility and at least set up an asylum procedure so that refugees can also expect some degree of humane compassion and (temporary) shelter in beautiful, Buddhist Thailand.
Hence the statement: Thailand must sign the UN Refugee Convention
Sources and backgrounds:
prachatai.com/english/node/7773
ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Asylum_statistics
newscheckers.nl/nieuwscheckers/hoe-realistiek-is-ruttes-streven-naar-opvang-van-vluchtelingen-in-de-regio/
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Thailand. Don't blame them. Just look at what's going on in Europe..
Suppose you had lived in the Netherlands in the 40s. And fled with your family from the horrors of Nazis like many of your own compatriots at the time....Many refugees now also come from war zones or are under permanent pressure such as the period before the war in the Netherlands: period of persecution and condemnation of compatriots based on characteristics or origin or religion etc. Shame on you for your comment.
The British should have refused or sent Queen Wilhelmina back immediately. (This is irony).
I don't think you have understood correctly, these are certainly not war refugees, but economic refugees, who do not want to apply for asylum for some reason.
Quote : “These 130.000 people – by far the most from Myanmar – live in Thailand in often appalling conditions. They have no access to health care, are not allowed to work, are not allowed to study…”
It's about refugees in Thailand. About 2 million migrant workers come from Myanmar, with permission from the Thai government and necessary for many jobs in Thaikand. These apply for a visa. So there are 2 groups from Myanmar: refugees and workers. And the refugees are not allowed to work, so they are not economic refugees.
Many refugees are economic refugees as they cross the whole of Europe to where social services are best. Poland and Portugal offered places, but refugees did not want to go there. Incidentally, the Jews in WWII would not have returned to Nazi Germany for vacation. In Germany and the Netherlands, it turned out that many of these refugees returned to their country of birth for a holiday. No, I hope Thailand keeps its leg stiff. They spare themselves many problems and terrorism that Europe has already experienced and will experience many more.
What a comment this is, I remember the stories of my family who fled to France in World War II, sleeping in a stable and paying, no living wage or free care. They also all returned when the coast was clear. The so-called Today's refugees pass dozens of safe countries in search of the jackpot
Go and shame yourself Ger-Korat. You don't get it. It's about 2018 and most of them are fortune seekers and in the 40s they were hard workers.
'Fortunate seekers', what a ridiculous term for people who try to escape the misery, poverty, hopelessness of their existence and of their family.
And the climate refugees will also come, fleeing a climate that the rich countries are responsible for.
And why should the refugees of today not be hard workers compared to those of 1940? Prejudice can be bizarre!
Fortune seekers, yes. Many asylum seekers with residence status refuse to work for only 200 euros more than they receive on social assistance.
And climate refugees could also flee to the south of Africa. From Ethiopia to the CAR it is very green and fertile. It is not the climate that drives them north…
Nonsensical comparison.
Why write unsubstantiated things.
There are way too many people on this Earth.
Nowadays we have to take care of every suffering, while this is just part of life!
Have a look at history.
Our mother earth is under enormous pressure.
Through many ways we try to take all kinds of environmental measures to save the earth while fewer people would be the solution.
Think of global warming, pollution of the seas, extinction of many plant and animal species, plastic soup, bee mortality….etc.
For the next 100 years everyone but 1 child would significantly improve the future of the Earth.
We know but can't say it.
(Now of course I'm being portrayed as a fascist again)
Folks I mean this constructively.
I do not wish my descendants future regulation through epidemics, hunger, climate or war.
Those Thais are not as stupid as the Dutch.
Dear forum,
Of course, Thailand is not one of those countries to accommodate others.
The European countries have plenty of money.
Often don't know what to do with it (of craziness)
Also there are many who go west because of the good state of life, make there first
to an end.
It will still break up the west, it was Rutte and Merkel who sided in the beginning, we will check them all! Incidentally, Italy has already started protesting and rightly so.
Yours faithfully,
Right are the Thai.
Thailand should leave it as it is and Europe should do the same as Thailand.
Of course Thailand should sign the refugee treaty. Thailand should also give people who accept them here a full resident right at some point that gives them the same rights as a Thai resident. People who flee here and reach Thailand sometimes fall into the hands of human traffickers. We have seen this with Rohingyas who then promise to travel on to Malyasia. As a result, human traffickers and corrupt army officers continue to blackmail their families, and mass graves have been found in the south of Thailand. And that for refugees who are in danger of their lives, danger of rape and being driven from their homes in Myanmar. On the other hand, they can get some kind of ID at some point and be allowed to do certain kinds of work. There are several hundred thousand Rohingyas in Thailand with deficient rights. The Rohingyas and others will be grateful to Thailand if they are treated as full-fledged refugees and can build a normal life here.
Isn't the Thai elite an excellent option: virtually disenfranchised workers in their factories, their ships and lands...
Because Thailand is the richest country in the region, mopping up would be open if they signed this treaty. Same as Europe now. There are limits to humanism, and Thais understood this before we in Northern Europe.
I do agree with you that if you have a long-term residence permit in Thailand, there should be the possibility to become a full resident. For example, my wife came to Thailand 30 years ago as a war victim of Pol Pot, has a residence permit, but is still not allowed to leave the province of Trat, and is not allowed to work officially. So no passport.
No. Do you agree that Mrs. Merkel tries to saddle Europe with it after she herself has opened the door wide, without control?
The population of Germany is now 80,5 million people and will fall until 2060. In total, the population will decrease by one tenth. German statisticians estimate the population in 2060 at 67,6 to 73,1 million – depending on the number of immigrants.
The decrease will be particularly noticeable in the labor force. This is why many are welcome and also necessary for the maintenance of social security in Germany through the contributions paid by the workers.
A little respect for the policymakers in Germany, otherwise the number of German pensionados in Thailand will decrease considerably because the pensions must be affordable. In addition, Germany provides a lot of employment in many surrounding countries such as the Netherlands and Belgium.
Idealistic argument, with all due respect for the enormous human suffering that does exist, of course. Let me put it this way very carefully and euphemistically: there is no broad support in Thailand to receive (Muslim) refugees from Myanmar. In addition, I wouldn't expect too much from the combination 'Thailand' and 'taking responsibility'.
Actually, no country should sign that treaty, because the treaty should simply be superfluous. But until then there will be some discussion about whether or not to support it.
In my opinion, all slightly wealthier countries should jointly contribute proportionately to improving human rights and living conditions in the less well-off countries.
Stop all the misery in the world and make a joint plan of action to solve all the problems in the world.
HOW ?
The people who are much smarter and more powerful than me will have to think about that
Thailand is already solving the refugee problem, especially the Rohinyas? Simply tow the boat back to the open sea, where they can quietly die and drown.
Is Trump and his children taken away from their parents, but locking everyone up with bed and bread is very humane.
And those tax refugees from Europe cs…. are tolerated in TH as long as they have enough money. Then they are simply kicked out of the country, possibly with a stop in prison.
I wouldn't take in any Rohinyas either. Especially if you don't set the background clearly.
Rohinyas were guests in Myanmar. They thought we are many and we seize power and wanted to introduce the Sharia.
Hindu and Buddhist women and girls raped or (men) killed.
Monks pelted with human excrement.
Buddhist temples desecrated.
So back after the umpteenth violence. The Rohinyas are also very low on the UN priority list. Must have a reason, don't you think
Rohinyas guests in Burma/Myanmar? They have lived there for at least a century and possibly longer. And at the turn of the century the borders were still somewhat vague, there was a lot of hassle at the end of the 1900th century in the region with many minority groups, kingdoms, vassal states with several tributary states above them, etc.
With the rise of the junta in Burma, the Rohinya have lost their civilian status and in recent years things have gotten completely out of hand. Rapes, murders, burning down villages, etc. Then you can't deny those people fleeing the violence any basic shelter, can you? Just let them rot on the border with 0,0 rights or drag them out to sea as is happening now? That's inhumane.
Go cycling with your 'Muslims who want to seize power and introduce the Sharia' (something that, given the blog about the death penalty, many proud Dutch people must be in favor with an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth??).
Why should people who have had to flee hearth and home, who have seen death and destruction, suffocate? Where is the sympathy and the humanity, the understanding?
https://www.nationalgeographic.nl/geschiedenis-en-cultuur/2017/10/alles-wat-je-moet-weten-over-de-rohingya-crisis-myanmar
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41566561
Harry Roman,
Trump is simply implementing the law Bush introduced. There is now a selective protest by the Democrats while Saint Obama has had more than 500.000 Mexicans and their children imprisoned.
But now he is very quiet
Let the EU with its pocket - filling , arrogant , Europhile dictators take an EXAMPLE from Thailand and Australia .
Well,
“in Europe, the relatively small number of people who do come to Europe are not shown the door”
Do you call a million people "relatively" small?
I more than agree with Thailand, why should we Europeans comply with the 65.000 Bhat regulation and they should not? And where does Thailand get the money from?
Rob, take a look in Zaandam, you will be terrified and Amsterdam has long since ceased to be Amsterdam.
And then show sad pictures of people who themselves walked from Bangladesh to Myanmar because the grass is greener there. Don't get to work and then attack the police station and kill many hundreds of police officers.
No, Rob my answer to your statement is; NO
Laksi
Just search the internet and…
Arakan, formerly called Rohang, lies on the north–western part of Burma. Early Muslim settlements in Arakan date back to 7th century AD.
During the more than 100 years of British rule (1824-1948), there was a significant amount of migration of laborers to what is now known as Myanmar from today's India and Bangladesh. Because the British administered Myanmar as a province of India, such migration was considered internal, according to Human Rights Watch (HRW)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arakan
Many Thais are descended from immigrants from a 1000 years ago ex South China, between Nanning and Kunming, so have less rights than the Rohinya to their land
And those Arakans/Rohingya had Burmese papers in a not so long past.
And, dear Harry, a number of Thai kings are descended from Chinese migrant workers. King Taksin, half Chinese, as well as Rama VI and VII. The late King Bhumibol was one quarter Chinese.
Our own royal family also has quite a few migrants. They are called 'love migrants'.
Oh, sorry, the statement is about desperate refugees….
We are all immigrants. Julie don't respect your ancestors.
And we're talking about refugees here, not migrant workers, okay?
I'm sure that everyone who responds here has one or more ancestors who were refugees or immigrants. My ancestors fled Germany when Roman Catholics were persecuted there.
An incomplete list of refugees: Jewish-Sephardic refugees from Spain and Portugal, 16th-17th century, Calvinist Huguenots from France from 1685, Protestant Flemings from Antwerp from 1590, 900.000 Belgians in World War I (most went back), Hungarians after the uprising there in 1956. The Netherlands is a nation built on and with refugees.
The painter Frans Hals and the philosopher Barack Spinoza were refugees
This predates the discovery of gas in the Netherlands and the emergence of the welfare state. There is no Dutchman who objects to immigrants keeping their own pants, and this was the only way to survive before 1960.
Now you can sit quietly in a corner and chew qat and hold out your hand - that makes the support somewhat less for “refugees”. In addition, the influx has never been so extensive. If that continues at the current rate (50,000 non-Western immigrants per year), native Dutch people will be in the minority by 2060. Fun for our kids…
I am in favor of sheltering war refugees, but as much as possible in the region. I am against the reception of economic migrants. It is better to build up a good perspective in one's own country through development aid.
The current refugee treaty would first have to be revised before Thailand would have to sign it. When the current treaty was drawn up, it was not foreseen that we are sometimes talking about millions of people fleeing. Not only because their lives are in danger, but also for economic reasons. Due to climate change, large parts of Africa are becoming unlivable. An estimated 1 billion Africans therefore want to move to Europe and elsewhere. We are not prepared for that. Not with the best will in the world. Unfortunately, tough measures are needed to prevent this. Otherwise, we in Europe will soon have to flee ourselves.
Again, the statement is about real refugees and not about economic migrants. The latter group was brought in by the Netherlands itself in the XNUMXs and XNUMXs, cheap labor thanks to the VVD.
The Netherlands and Thailand must always receive real refugees. Thailand must sign the relevant treaty for this. Now real refugees in Thailand have no rights and are persecuted and exploited. Economic refugees must be subject to strict rules.
I will not say too much about 'development aid'. Nice in case of disasters, but those countries will have to 'develop' themselves.
Between 1945 and 1965, 500.000 Dutch people sought better economic prospects in other continents and 200.000 in other countries within Europe.
Most foreigners in Thailand are also a kind of 'refugees'. I have often seen the Thai state have to help them.
Also mention the more than 300.000 Dutch people who became displaced or chose to move from the Dutch East Indies to a country far away in another part of the world, the Netherlands. A country that many did not know or only through their distant ancestors. This was in the 50's and 60's.
Have an interesting website about migration :
http://www.vijfeeuwenmigratie.nl
Turns out that 98% of the people in the Netherlands have foreign ancestors.
The dividing line between a genuine refugee and an economic refugee is blurring. For example, there are many Syrians who, once safely in a refugee camp in Turkey, choose to travel to the Netherlands, Germany or Sweden for economic reasons. And believe me they don't do that because of the nice weather here.
No, but they do go on holiday to the country from which they fled.
Syrians going on holiday in Syria? Rohinya going on holiday in Burma? Source please
I do know of asylum seekers such as Iraqis and Aghans who go back on holiday (in safe regions). But those people got asylum a few years ago. Is the question whether you should still see someone as a temporary 'guest' after 10+ years of asylum or whether they can be regarded as a new resident who has now built a new life. But that is already a branch of the real subject: real refugees who have fled their own country because of war, mass murder, torture and other misery should also be able to apply for asylum status in Thailand under the UN treaty.
Syrians going on holiday to Syria? Yes, yes. And that while their asylum application was still pending.
Was discussed in the Belgian media a few months ago and was reported in the news broadcasts.
The difference between an economic and a political refugee is artificial and unrealistic.
A refugee who is in danger of drowning because of global warming or whose children cannot survive, there is no medical care or food, in short, who has no future, is just as much a refugee who should be able to get asylum as a so-called political refugee.
Moreover, the backgrounds of both types of refugees overlap; a political refugee is usually also an economic refugee and vice versa.
If Thailand now starts collecting taxes from the (super) rich in its country, then a wonderful future can be reserved for all those refugees.
And another selfish argument; we desperately need those refugees in an aging population to keep our economy going.
Kuhn Peter, shouldn't you sooner be demanding tougher measures from the rich countries that are causing the climate problems!
And what is this 'development aid' if at the same time we supply weapons to keep the wars going and channel the tax revenues of the multinationals, to which the producing countries are entitled, through 'letterbox companies'.
The US and the Netherlands are the top countries that facilitate tax escape from poor countries in this way.
Hypocrisy and neo-colonialism everywhere.
And reception in the region is already being used on a large scale by countries in the region itself. Jordan, a poor and small country, is already taking in 4 million refugees, but without being able to give those refugees any prospects for the future. There are 4 million Palestinian refugees, but Israel, who is responsible for them, does not provide for their basic needs, let alone respects their right of return, and yet Israel remains the darling of the West. Trump even refuses to withdraw his financial support for the UNHCR, which tries to provide those basic needs as much as possible in the many refugee camps.
Correction: 'does not respect their right of return………'
By a doubling of 500,000 people in Africa to 1 billion, and 4 billion in 2060, there will be no herb crops, desiccating climate or not. Incidentally, large parts of Africa remain perfectly arable, just look at the Chinese purchase of land there. Ending tribal wars and drastic birth control is the only way out for Africa.
Aublotto. not. The consequences for Europe are already disastrous and will become much worse. In any case, you can ask yourself whether it really is refugees and not a planned colonization of Europe where everything indicates. The refugee is one problem, the family reunification after that is an even bigger problem. I think the Thai government would do well to have its own people first, enough to do. For God's sake, don't let Thailand make the mistake that the Netherlands has been making for years. For me also the reason to live in Thailand in the future because I see no future for my daughters in Europe or the Netherlands.
I can advise people to take a trip to the Thai border with Burma. My wife and I visited the camps there. What poverty, what misery. I thought to myself about being born here.....Children came after we had eaten asking if they could have the leftovers. I saw a girl give the dish of chicken we bought her to her little brother.
I had more respect for that kid than I had for those clowns at the World Cup. In my eyes, she's a bigger hero than this greedy weed.
http://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20180620_03572224
Our society is losing its empathy more and more.
The inequality and exploitation in the world is the cause of most misery. Wealthy people should not run away. They are welcomed everywhere with open arms.
The Thai are quite right, and it is certainly not up to Europe to interfere.
Given the economic situation in Thailand, Thailand would be very wise not to sign the refugee treaty. Fortunately, apart from some people from Myramar and Laos, there are few refugees in Thailand. No, Thailand is doing very well.
Better than the imbeciles who are in charge in Europe, Germany, France and the EC leading the way.
All of Europe is going to hell this way… just because a few fervent plush sitters made it up that way.
It is certainly not up to Europe to get involved in this, because their euro will only fall here when some politicians have earned enough from it, and they may feel that they will no longer be included in the next elections. thai corrupt ??? YES but Europe is certainly just as corrupt, but they better hide it.
Keep it as it is!
The sugary asylum policy of many EU countries is partly the reason for many to turn their backs on the country of birth and settle here.
Signing this UN refugee treaty would mean a significant loss of income.
Thailand is beautiful, let it stay that way.
That's right Bona, I had the opportunity to settle in Thailand and I did. I didn't want my (Thai) wife and daughters to come to the Netherlands and I'm glad I made the right choice.
The statement that Thailand should sign the refugee treaty really comes from someone pointing the finger. We as guests in Thailand should not interfere in the politics of the host country.
Although it is true that Thailand cares for its own very poor population and you cannot compare that with the European situation.
Thailand is beautiful, but especially for the rich. Together with India and Russia, Thailand is the country with the greatest income inequality in the world.
What strikes me is that we mop with the tap open.
Many of the problems are caused by dictators or Western countries who believe that a particular government is insufficiently democratic. Another problem is the "brilliant" foundation of Israel, which has been and still is a drama from the start. Europe could not/would not integrate them into the burnt-out state in which Europe found itself. Why not, were people afraid that it would then become clear that Europe was actually quite happy that the majority would disappear from Europe and that we would not get a repeat, persecution of the Jews. At least not as massive as last time.
I don't see why countries that have nothing to do with it should have to clean up the pieces.
Incidentally, I think it is good that there is a Refugee Convention and that should therefore be implemented by those who caused the situation.
If people in the UN were ready to stop the wars in the world, that would already be a step in the right direction.
The industry of the US runs 50% on the war industry and they are directly or indirectly involved in creating war, they have been at war for 200 years.
Refugees must be controllable, refugees and you have economic refugees.
Did we have problems with the refugees from the former Yugoslavia when there was war, no, we didn't and most of them have returned to their surroundings.
In my opinion, the already overpopulated Western Europe is the only region on earth that admits unlimited refugees.
Whether they do it wisely is another matter.
It splits society.
The empty Australia does not allow refugees either.
Oh yeah? Lebanon, Turkey and Jordan admit many more refugees. In Lebanon, 25% of the population is a refugee.
And that's not even counting the Palestinian refugees from 1948.
Er, the so-called refugees from 1948 don't even exist. Are so staged by Saudi Arabia. They created this situation themselves.
Sorry just read a GOOD history book and don't run after leftist dogmas.
And how many refugees does Saudi Arabia admit?
Very bad!
So much about shelter in the region.
Why are Muslims fleeing to Europe
and not to Muslim countries such as Iran and Pakistan and Kuwait?
Why are war refugees not left the country ,
that the war has begun ( USA ) received .
Why do Africans flee to Eu, where you do
has a whole globe of countries in Africa without war?
Should Thailand take in Muslims as long as the problems are there
and attacks in the south by Muslims?
And yes, that refugee situation was also there and reasons,
that I am away from Europe.
Thailand would be wise not to sign .
Incomparable. There they do not get a house, Miele, benefits and after 5 years the nationality of the country. We can also build an encampment in Oostgroningen for 500.000 people with a fence around it, but otherwise without rights.
That's right . In Lebanon, every third inhabitant is a refugee! According to recent figures from the UN, a small minority of refugees are hosted by EU countries, but they are the ones who are the loudest. Developing countries, often neighboring countries, receive 85% of the total number of refugees.
The number of asylum seekers has fallen considerably in the past year. In 2017, 728.000 people in EU countries applied for asylum, which is a decrease of 44% compared to the previous year, according to the European Asylum Support Office. In Belgium they call that a success!
Another myth is that refugees en masse seek their happiness abroad. At the end of last year, the UN counted some 40 million internally displaced persons.
It is also sad that 53% of the refugees are children.
These figures come from a report in DeMorgen on June 21.
Thailand would be wise to sign the UN treaty. From the Buddhist point of view, you don't abandon your fellow man as a real refugee.
Australia is of a completely different order. The land belongs to the Aborigines and not to the predatory westerners who hold power there. They are largely runaway criminals from the United Kingdom.
So refugees!!!
Just a piece from The Guardian from Australia of February 10, 2018, which shows what Ruud writes about Australia is not correct:
2017 was the highest year on record. The intake of 24,162 refugees was part of a far-larger and broader migration program. Last financial year (ending in 2017) there were 225,941 permanent additions to the Australian population.
About 92,000 of those people were already in the country, and were moving from temporary visas, like student visas, to permanent visas; and 133,000 were new people arriving in to live.
Very right said. Had to be the same here.
Actually, this is a question I do not wish to answer. I have no right to point out to Thailand what one could do. I can stay here if I meet the requirements. The problems in Myanmar are due to the lack of intervention by the regime there. The same in Syria. The refugees from Africa are looking for a better standard of living. Now Europe hopes to stop this by not letting in more suckers but highly educated people. All of Africa is being looted by capital and by their leaders.
A resounding yes to this statement, Thailand is not isolated from the rest of the world, is it? In a broadcast of “Other times” (no. 542) it is stated that in 1948 one in three Dutch people thought about emigrating. In the end, one in twenty took the step and 550 people left for Canada, Australia and New Zealand. These people were then called emigrants, to whom we now label 'economic refugees'. But Rob's statement is not about 'economic refugees' but about men, women and children who have to fear for their lives and flee in desperation. Perhaps they save their lives because of this, but once they arrive in Thailand, their problems are far from solved. The least Thailand could and should do is sign the UN Refugee Convention so that perhaps a glimmer of hope for a somewhat acceptable life may arise again.
Why should Thailand sign such a treaty? To also download a trojan horse? Soon Islam will be the boss of every country, as we are now firmly aware here in Europe. All the EU is doing is bringing about an ethnic shift resulting in much more crime in every member state. The prisons here have all become too small. Don't be fooled by statistics either. They say that there are also a large percentage of natives in prisons. Well: most of the natives who are there are of Islamic origin, but have received a passport here and are Dutch or Belgian etc …….
Leave beautiful Thailand alone and open your eyes about what is happening here..
Where is the time when you could walk quietly down the street without thinking that an attack or robbery is going to happen somewhere ?????????
Genuine refugees are a small percentage of the scum that are now among us.
Am I a racist ? No, but someone who keeps his eyes open and sees Europe deteriorate because of the SO SAYED refugees.
I am shocked by so many inhumane, inhumane reactions. How dare Europe host 1-2% of the world's refugees? Too much! Where do the 10% of people who are not in the region have the guts not to stay in a camp in their own region?
I honestly wonder what these commenters will do if Western Europe falls into chaos (war, or persecution of people with 'wrong ideas', etc.), and they have to leave everything behind, save a few thousand euros and then get the choice : go to a camp in Poland or Bulgarian with many millions of other Europeans or accept the offer to travel with a smuggler to Thailand for payment of the last few thousand euros and apply for asylum there. Where the immigration officials check whether you are a real refugee or whether the answer should be “Stay in a camp in your neighboring country, get the hell out of here taking jobs, you hand-holding rat! Pai leuy dirty unreliable farang!!!”
No country can accept unlimited refugees, nor does any country want to. But if we all show a little humanism as a world, pick up a piece of 'the account' according to ability and proportion, then we can make the world a little bit less miserable. So many miserable things already happen to so many scum. Why then let your fellow man perish? Not giving even the most basic facilities but just letting them get settled like rats… :'(
Incidentally, two sources/backgrounds have disappeared, although I think that most commenters do not want to read up and prefer to rely on their gut:
https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/economie/column/stephan-okhuijsen/factcheck-vangt-de-regio-weinig-syrische-vluchtelingen-op
https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/binnenland/eu-trekt-miljard-uit-voor-opvang-de-regio
Shouldn't say 'pai leuy!' but 'pai klai!' (ไปไกลๆ). Thunderbeam on, fuck off!
Better stop all those wars,
then you have all kinds of refugees!
A piece of the bill according to assets and proportion”. You hit the nail on the head there. 50,000 non-western immigrants per year and 2-3 billion costs is just too much of a burden for the Dutch people. In Amsterdam go 50% !!! of the social housing that becomes available to asylum seekers. I know people aged 30 who are still forced to live with their parents because they have been on the list for 12 years and cannot find a home.
Just look at the Middle East as an example.
The wars and conflicts that are going on there, which are now well known to most, and the misery that results from them.
And what are those rich oil states doing.
Rather energy-consuming amusement parks and expensive real estate projects and hotels with expensive shopping centers that are up to the height of the sky for the rich.
Read last week that they also want to build a kind of Las Vegas there.
And the refugees from those neighboring countries come en masse in rickety boats to Europe.
And we will take care of them again.
Take Flanders Belgium as an example of what is going on in some cities with the rapidly increasing Islamic population growth and their intrusive way of life.
It is better that things stay in Thailand as they are , I also think that Thailand does not have the financial capacity to cope with such problems .
The local population is already having a hard time keeping their heads above water on a daily basis, and I even see that around me every day.
Jan Beute.
I don't know how Jordan deals with "admitting" refugees, but I seem to remember an article in Turkey about the refugees being abused as cheap labour.
That is not quite what I would like to understand by reception of refugees.
I also think I read something about border guards shooting at refugees.
But not everything I read stays with me.
In addition, the borders of many countries are artificial borders, where the same people live on both sides of the border.
Furthermore, Turkey is persecuting the Kurds again, thus contributing to the refugee problem.
Reception is good, but if the internal problems in a country are resolved, everyone should return to help build his/her own country and not fill the "dirty" jobs in the reception country that the own population does not want to do .
What you now see in TH is that certain professions (which I don't like being done by TH) are being opened up to foreigners.
I'm not sure if that's a good development.
Otherwise, know several Thai women living in Western Europe who have fled poverty (usually Isan) by being able to enter into a relationship with a farang from that same Western Europe. They don't care what he looks like and even though he is 40 years older, anything better than the malaise in the countryside.
Many even go so far as to first literally and figuratively dive into the hectic life of Pattaya, for example, because many farang come there, which increases the chance of getting to know a farang.
Some women, on the other hand, are 'lucky' not to have to flee to Europe because the farang she met in Pattaya wants to live with her in the countryside with her family, have a house built there, buy a 4W drive, etc.
Nothing wrong with that and understandable, however, since we are talking about economic refugees…
The UN refugee treaty has sent the Netherlands and Europe into a negative spiral, towards an abyss and self-destruction. Thailand would be wise not to bow to this Zionist rule. Things are going better in Thailand on that point than in many other countries with regard to the reception of unjustified refugees and other fake gems of opportunity. Just immigrate through the front door or stay away. That would also be a better policy in the Netherlands and Europe. Let's get Orbinaized. Most EU countries are fed up with Frau Merkel's coercive policy. Borders closed, now more than ever. Bringing a Thai here for a while or for a long time is a drama, but as an asylum seeker all who come are welcomed with open arms and lots of luxury and gifts. The Netherlands and Belgium are also on the verge of jumping. Stop importing hate cultures. full is full.
Regards,
Martin Farang from Isan.
The majority here therefore seems to be going for: Thailand should not sign a UN refugee treaty, if people from the Netherlands, Burma or anywhere else were to flee, burn down their village, shoot their child, rape their wife and find themselves with a few hundred euros or less on possessions come to Thailand asking for shelter, Thailand has to say 'fuck it, you fake refugee, parasite, go back to where your ancestors came from and don't bother our beautiful country and our women, pervert, get out!'. With a bit of luck you can survive illegally in a corrugated iron hut with 0,0 rights, legal income or access to education or whatever in the border area with possible extortion by the police now and then. Happy world.
Of course, Thailand must sign the UN refugee treaty and show its social heart. However, I am afraid that will not happen, given the attitude and the way in which people still treat each other. We know the forms of exploitation and the deaths from the television images. They don't lie about it. People who have to fear for their lives and therefore leave deserve help and shelter.
Many Syrians had already fled to Turkey and they often live in appalling conditions and therefore see themselves forced to find another home for themselves and their families. Risking their lives, they defy the Mediterranean Sea and we know the images of that too. These Syrians were no longer in mortal danger in Turkey, but no longer see salvation in their own country and often have the drive to improve their lives and Europe seems to be the right place for this.
The biggest problem for us is not the people themselves, but that is the faith they bring and the associated philosophy of life. Muslims should actually receive help and assistance in Muslim countries, they fit much better there and with an overabundance of Muslim people you end up with a lot of hassle. In Denmark they have already figured this out and they are trying to find a solution with special programs. I agree with them and hope this will work. Integrate or leave again. Faith is beautiful for those who want it but not for me and many with me. Keep this private and don't bother others with it like that bleating of those temples. This is also the case in Thailand. I live in a neighborhood in Pattaya where four of those mosques have been built and are bleating in turn. This starts at half past five in the morning.
It seems like I live in Egypt. I will be curious what Thailand will look like in 50 years because the Muslim groups are expanding more and more. Not only the three southern provinces are populated by women with headscarves and men with headgear of Muslim origin. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Muslim people who want to contribute to a society where life is good. The large majority also want peace and security, but they will have to adapt to the laws and norms that apply in the country where they want to build their future. Muslim laws primarily apply to them. Adjustments are still insufficiently made, as a result of which integration completely fails to materialize and ghetto formation can be seen. Species seeks species and burdock together with all the consequences that entails. So as far as I am concerned, shelter in the region of real apparent cases and temporary status until it is safe again and can be returned. But also countries of choice for asylum on the basis of faith, because that is and remains the main problem.
Not doing so will only lead to a lot of misery
Thailand should not sign the UN Refugee Agreement.
Here's MY opinion:
1. The UN is an international organization signed by many countries, but governed by only a few countries.
2. The UN is an organization that provides aid. My opinion is that help should be offered locally and that population movements should be avoided.
3. The refugee flow is a signal that should not be ignored. It is a signal that something is seriously wrong and that urgently needs to be resolved (expelled the Kurds, war in Syria, ethnic violence in African countries, etc.). There is an urgent political need to do something about this. The global political leaders have to agree together and that is often where the shoe pinches…
4. As long as Americans and Russians fight for power and influence (as in Syria), this problem will not be solved.
5. The refugee flows are grist to the mills of people smugglers.
As long as the UN does not put pressure on the political leaders, it will mop up with the tap open. At the expense of the countries where the refugees end up. So at our expense.
We can't afford that!