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Home » Reader question » Reader question: How do I get a birth certificate of my Thai girlfriend in Belgium?
Dear readers,
I have been here in Belgium with my Thai girlfriend since 2005. She now has a Belgian identity card from 2011, when we went every year to the family in Mukdahan in the Northeast of Thailand.
To submit the necessary documents to obtain the Belgian identity card was no problem because we went there every year anyway, but now with those corona states we can no longer go, like so many of us.
Because we would be getting married this year, we need a recent birth certificate and legalized by the Belgian embassy in Bangkok. Now my question was actually how can I get there? Can I do something like this by post or what other options are there?
Regards,
Patrick
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Good day,
Your girlfriend can give power of attorney to a close family member (brother, sister, father, mother)
They must then go in person to the municipality where your girlfriend was born in Thailand.
Applications there and with DHL sent to Belgium.
In Belgium you can have it translated into Dutch and legalized by a sworn translator.
Sworn translators can be found on the website of the Thai Embassy in Belgium.
Success!
Another addition to my post.
You may still have to go to a foreign pocket in Brussels for another legalization after translation.
You can request further advice from the Thai embassy in Brussels (update info)
Every country has its own rules for legalization. I read in the question that the birth certificate in Thailand must be legalized at the Belgian embassy, which means that the Belgian embassy must legalize the signature of the village official. Can the embassy do that? Don't think so, so a trip to Chaeng Wattana is also planned and then the embassy in Bangkok. I miss that in Leo's answer.
I advise you to check carefully who should legalize what. Finally, shouldn't the birth certificate be in English? Thai municipalities can issue it in that language.
Erik,
I am responding to our own experience with this.
Patrick's girlfriend already lives in Belgium and has already shown proof / documents to be allowed to stay in Belgium.
The birth certificate with the stamp of the municipality in Thailand can be translated and legalized in Belgium by a sworn translator.
So you can simply handle it in Belgium.
My advice to Patrick's girlfriend is to contact the Thai embassy in Brussels. This is because you have the most recent and correct information.
We just did this last month. Contrary to what Leo says , we had to have the birth certificate legalized by the municipality at the Belgian embassy in Bangkok .
After a lot of e-mails and telephone calls, my girlfriend decided to go to Thailand herself. It can also be done through a power of attorney to a family member. A very cumbersome hassle via the Thai embassy in Brussels. But it is possible. Because a lot of additional steps had to be done in Bangkok, we finally decided not to bother a family member. Finally, that person would have to stay + – 1 week in Bangkok.
Because: After you have collected the birth certificate, you must go to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Bangkok for legalization. You can pick this up again 1 day later. Then to a translation agency in Bangkok recognized by the Belgian embassy. You also have to wait 1 or 2 days there. There is 1 agency that can suddenly translate into Dutch (that is the best because otherwise you will have to have it translated again here in Belgium). Then by appointment at the Belgian embassy, which will then legalize this legalized, stamped and translated document again! They will then normally send this document by post to an address in Thailand that you specify. Because we did not trust this (after all the ordeal we had already gone through), we insisted on picking up the document at the embassy. This was possible after 3 days! Ultimately, the embassy also forwarded it to us electronically and that email was accepted at our municipality. But we weren't told anything about that, it suddenly appeared in my mailbox.
So you hear various stories or requirements. If you email your municipality , Belgian embassy or Thai embassy , you will always get a different story . That is why we chose this option. Hopefully this information will help you . We are getting married on 7/5 and have now received the official confirmation from the municipality that all documents are in order.
Greetings,
Erik
My story sounds a bit like Eric's. Special ticket to Thailand. Make sure that your wife has never changed her first name in the past and has registered this with her municipality. This is a drama for the papers where the name on the birth certificate is no longer the same as on the passport. This was an extra stumbling block for us, but they had not reported it in Ghent at first.
Dear Erik, I have also experienced all that, nowhere in Belgium did I get the right information and I received different information from all the different government services, they just don't know it themselves. In the end we also traveled to Thailand ourselves and put everything in order there. Married there and then arranged everything through the Belgian Embassy in Bangkok and registered the marriage certificate in Belgium. In Thailand, my wife arranged all that herself, without any problems! We got married in Thailand on June 15, 2004.
It almost makes you happy again in these corona times: people ask for a recent birth certificate; as if the old one from, say, 50 years ago would say something different. Once on paper and translated and legalized you can't make it anymore, even if it is 50 years old. Makes me think that some authorities in Thailand ask for a passport legalization by the embassy, well if there is something official then it is a passport. The next question will probably also arise, namely whether the legalization can be legalized by the embassy, because yes, you never know with civil servants.
@ Ger Korat .
Completely correct. Those civil servants/ants are unbelievable. In addition to the story described above , I recently experienced another impressive story in the same style .
My friend would have liked to give her son , who now has Belgian nationality , Thai nationality as well . At first sight this was easy because both biological parents are Thai . After an appointment at the Thai embassy, I received a huge list of all necessary documents and, of course, had everything legalized. Of course the obligatory birth certificate was on that list, but a little further down the list it said: “birth certificate”! So I ask: What is that? Ah sir , that is the proof that the hospital delivers at the birth of your child !!!?? An official birth certificate is therefore not sufficient for these officials.
So , we go to the hospital . It's completely out of the blue there. Uh… which document? Never heard of it . But okay , I 'll see what I can do and ask the gynecologist . When was the baby born? Uh…. 21 years ago Mrs.
But sir…. we can not possibly deliver that . We have none of that. You then received a document with which you could file the declaration at the town hall, we have nothing else for the rest. Contacted the embassy again and told the story. And….. yes, that document with which you once filed the declaration…. they need that now. And no one can provide us with a duplicate of that . Embassy doesn't want to budge, apparently that certificate is more important than an official birth certificate.
In the meantime, we are in contact with the ombudsman service of the hospital. This friendly man understands our problem and has now promised to draw something up himself and of course have it signed by the head gynecologist and have the original stamps of the hospital on it (because that must of course also be done for the embassy). We have been working on it since January , I hope to finally get everything next week .
I have tried uselessly to discuss with the embassy , but that is simply dismissed . All other documents have already been legalized in January . When I asked the embassy whether these documents were still valid, the answer was: Yes, as long as the people who drew up or legalized these documents are still employed!! How are they going to check that again? I hold my heart already. I wonder if any readers have experienced this problem?
Erik
Quote:
"Makes me think that some authorities in Thailand ask for a passport to be legalized by the embassy, well if there is something official then it is a passport."
I suppose you've heard of a fake passport anyway. There are forgeries of practically everything, absolutely everything that concerns legal documents, including passports. How many have already been caught with a fake passport? I wouldn't like to feed them all.
Dear people,
Thank you all very much for the information I received here.
As I can conclude from this, I understand that I can go to Thailand myself to arrange all the documents. I actually should have known because I experienced all those situations about 16 years ago to bring my girlfriend here, then of course we also got married, but then for the temple because the family wanted it and of course I did too. but in the meantime we are also 16 years older and then you start to think about other things, from next year I normally retire and then I also think about the future of my girlfriend, if something happened to me, you never know. and then also the financial side if I want to go there for a longer period of time. it's all those things that you think about for a while.
So with this one, better postpone the wedding for another year and make everything right yourself.
thank you all
Greetings.
Patrick
Dear Erik, what I experienced after 18 years in Thailand is the following. If something needs to be put right in Thailand and my Thai wife does everything alone, there are never any problems and the requested things are all taken care of very quickly. Ever since I got involved, when Falang was involved, it was ALWAYS big trouble! And in Belgium it was always a mess to get the right information. It should therefore not even be about matters related to Thai affairs. If you send an email to any information service, it takes 2 to 3 weeks before you get an answer, in the past you had a quicker reply with correspondence than NOW with all their modern electronic junk.!!