Dear readers,
My name is Arnoud, I am 31 years old and I come from Hilversum. I have a Thai girlfriend from Surin Anchisa for 3 years now, she is called, and I have been to Thailand several times and love it there! My plan is also to emigrate to the land of smiles in the future..
A few weeks ago she came to the Netherlands for the first time to go on holiday. And she loved it here! Saäat tjanap (tjanap is mak mak in Khmer.) She especially loved milking the cows!
She would now like to work here for a year or more before we continue to build our future in Thailand. She currently lives in Thailand.
Now the question is, how do we best approach this? During our time here, we of course asked around a bit with some Thai acquaintances we made here, who have their own restaurant. And they came up with the following. They said that you just have to apply for a visa for 3 months 6 months or a year and then just do some undeclared work (that will also be cheaper for them…). However, this is not very suitable for us. Because then you are never sure how much salary you will have in the month. Since she also has an installment car and that will run for a few more years. So a fixed amount of salary is actually one of the wishes. Of course, this does not have to be the jackpot.
It would be nice for her to work in a restaurant so she can gain some experience, for when we go to Thailand and start a restaurant there. Now I have already read that an employer is only allowed to bring in cooks from Thailand or other countries if they are N4 or higher. Below that, they just have to hire people from the Netherlands. The problem for us is that she has no training in the hospitality industry, but she can cook deliciously. She is, of course, prepared to follow such a course. She is also a very hard worker who performs her duties without a murmur.
Do you know someone? Or are you someone who could help us with this? Or are you a restaurant owner who needs chefs in the near future? Or do you know of a restaurant that I can approach. (preferably in 't Gooi and the surrounding area Amsterdam, Utrecht, Amersfoort is also good.)
Or are there readers who can explain some useful tips and tricks? All advice/comments are welcome. You can also reach me by e-mail [email protected] of [email protected]
Thank you in advance!
Yours faithfully,
Arnoud
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so follow the training of cook N4, that is the requirement, that is what the Netherlands does because otherwise everyone can come.
or integration, in bangkok and get your MVV
otherwise she can never come
greetings from me
Her employer will first have to apply for a so-called work permit from the Employment Office. They will receive this if they can demonstrate that they have NOT been able to find suitable personnel in the Netherlands and the EU. Often the UWV will also send out a vacancy itself, and they will send people from their database. I was looking for someone who could sell food to Thailand as an export manager NL + B + D + F, so he knew about food, knew the Thai language and legislation in that area, etc. So I was sent, among other things, a sailor who knew that you could eat foodstuffs, and.. where somewhere Thailand was.
Finally, with a subsidy from the Ned Min v Econ Zken., after about 10 months I got things done and I got that permit - with really having seen everything against it - : for exactly one year, and could not be extended. So, such a specialist must declare everything in TH for 52 wk NL.
Finally academic that I had known for years, accepted and in NL, everything from Bangkok, handed in to the IND and .. got the MVV. Unfortunately, not everything looked closely, because.. they had filled in “Taiwan” as nationality instead of Thailand. You know the IND, the organization that, even if you have made it to the House of Representatives, only withdraws you because you have given a different name to be untraceable by your forced husband.
So, returning after a visit to London, she did not enter the Netherlands at Schiphol. Only one solution: buy ticket back to TH, and NL: get it lzrs
Hello, register with an employment agency just like everyone else and then hope for work.
Greetings.
There is no harm in asking around Thai acquaintances or others who do something abroad / visas, but in order not to get into something completely wrong from hearsay, it is always best to consult the information from the central government. Or the website of the embassy and IND. Then you will see that a one-year visa is not possible at all.
You can come to the Netherlands for a short stay for a maximum of 90 days per period of 180 days, working is NOT allowed. You are then doing double illegal work: violation of the visa legislation and violation of the labor law (declared work). That seems extremely unwise to me, or can I also say stupid?
If she wants to come to the Netherlands for a longer period of time, and/or if she wants to work here, she must immigrate here, with the purpose of residence “staying with a partner”. That is the TEV (Entry and Residence) procedure. If she comes to you, she can work from day 1 without any hassle or hassle such as a work permit or something. A partner automatically receives the same employment restrictions as the Dutch sponsor. As a Dutch citizen, you do not need a permit to work, so neither do they.
If she wants to return after 1-2 years, that's fine. If she wants to stay here longer, then integration becomes important, then I would see if she can't come and work among Dutch people, otherwise you will never learn the language when only Thai is being talked about. For example, first through volunteer work and then moving on to a paid job in cleaning, production work, etc.
Whether you are going for a short (Schengen visa) or a long (immigration) stay, if you want to prepare further, take a look at the files in the menu on the left: "Schengen visa" and "Immigration Thai partner".
@Harry: We have been in touch via email about the details. The IND is a ehm.. less pleasant organization, but in the case of, for example, a registration or printing error on a visa or VVR residence permit and then bullshit at the border, the advice is not to let yourself be sent away, but to call a lawyer on duty. and then, together with KMar and IND, look for a solution for the fumbling of the IND. They are wrong, they are to blame. Of course, check everything yourself, but I can imagine that you did not notice that the nationality is "Taiwanese" instead of "Thai", because you do not expect such stupidities from a decent organization. Years too late for your business relationship, but good advice for others not to let you become a victim of official ignorance and bullshit. They can't just kick you out of the country if you don't cooperate 'voluntarily' yourself. Don't do it even if you're not actually wrong!
@Rob: with today's knowledge and possibilities (son lawyer, and company legal assistance insurance) everything would have turned out very differently.
Furthermore: don't just accept statements from these kinds of government agencies. For example: we worked with the NVWA for 2 1/2 years until we were finally able to bring the case before the administrative court. There they had to withdraw their fine report from the first to the last letter in less than 15 minutes, resulting in a pretty grumpy judge given their ignorance. Now it's my turn: 3 NVWA employees charged with perjury and the Min. v Public health for forgery ( the conclusion of an Ir food specialist and former NVWA employee turned 180 degrees: from NO danger to public health in ... A danger for ... It is just leaving out one letter). And separately before the civil court a claim for damages in view of missed turnover from me, my suppliers and my customers.
@ pieter: unfortunately, registering a temp agency is nice, but they are not allowed to mediate non-EU people. That's why they always ask for your passport.
Perhaps a solution: talk to the aliens police/UWV. I can imagine that they - unofficially, after all, they can suspend control - let someone gain quite a few months of experience in NL before starting an immigration procedure (integration course, etc.). There are some really understanding people out there.
Concerns work for your Thai girlfriend, in Amsterdam in the 2nd Naussau street is takeaway restaurant Top Thai at home. The owner is Thai and also comes from Hilversum, go there or call good luck. Phone number 020 6881305
absolutely not. Did you know an Indonesian who had lived in the Netherlands for years, first through study, then married and also worked after a divorce?!
Eventually had to go back when I got to know her. Married to her and brought back to the Netherlands, but was not allowed to work, had to do an integration course and pass NT2. NT2 (Dutch language) was required for work. IND is a terrible organization for a Dutch person who has a foreign partner. For example, a piece of paper turned out not to be legalized and translated, with the result: take care of it and otherwise return it!!
I was married to her for a year, after which I divorced. It turned out that she only needed me to get her back to the Netherlands as a sucker. There are those women… eeeeeh another word… bitches!.
I thought ok she will be sent back now, but as close as she turned out, she had started a higher study during the wedding period and was probably therefore allowed to stay and work again!!
Moral: if you are Dutch and bring a foreign partner here through official channels, then the blood will be removed from under your nails by, for example, an IND. And if you are alone as a foreigner, everything seems to go much easier and there is understanding.
After all, thousands of asylum seekers have been admitted in the past and now another 100000 are being added.
But you already know that your girlfriend needs a visa to come here and then possibly extend it. However, for work you will still end up in the black circuit.
What you can also do is to open up your own house as a private restaurant. People come to eat where your girlfriend can be busy as a cook. Is also black, but then you have something in hand
The Aliens Act has been amended several times. The biggest change was made around the turn of the century by Secretary of State Job Cohen, in the 90s the legislation was inadequate, especially in the field of asylum legislation. The windmills of the IND came to a complete standstill. Since the emergence of Fortuijn, it has only become more difficult for regular family/partner migrants. Strict entry requirements, where you used to get the passport as a gift for your foreign wife. It reads that your experience with that Indonesian takes place at least before the 90s, ancient legislation. Nowadays, the right of residence and whether or not to work are completely separate from whether or not they are married. The admission requirements are strict (income requirement for the sponsor, language test for the foreign national, etc.) and only after a few (3 or 5, a lawyer will know exactly by heart, I will not) years and with completion of the civic integration process, among other things, is there a chance on an independent residence permit. A foreigner can therefore stay here more easily. Fortunately, there are options again if the sponsor dies, then they don't just put you on a plane because there is no longer a partner ... I often get frustrated with the IND and aliens law, would like to get rid of it, but they do too not all wrong.
Coming here on an independent basis is actually no longer an option. It remains with partner/family migration, temporary stay for study, temporary stay as an aupair or you must have an employer here (who must then demonstrate that the vacancy cannot be filled by a Dutch/European). Leaving aside special regulations (for example, certain provisions for Americans and Japanese in connection with treaties), they are really only asylum seekers, provided they are recognized as refugees, can stay here independently and then be helped with everything. However, that is not 100.000 per year. Asylum figures can be found on Flip van Dyke's site if you are interested there. In short, you haven't entered the Netherlands like that for a few years now, regardless of whether you have a sweetheart here or not.
More important for the questioner: what to do. A visa is not going to be him if you want to work here because that is simply not allowed. She will really need a residence permit if she wants to work/live here. And if you live / stay here legally, you really don't have to enter the black circuit! You can, but I wouldn't advise. Just look for a white job in cleaning, production, kitchen, massage, etc. Or gray if you want to evade taxes... Black work is not smart and the blisters will burn for a long time if you get caught. Don't think we have to advise that here!
My Indonesian era was in 2003-2005.
You must ensure that your girlfriend comes to the Netherlands legally. So follow an integration course in Thailand and then apply for an MVV. If she has the MVV, she will receive a residence permit for a maximum of 5 years. With this residence permit you are allowed to work. You have to take into account that she has to do an integration course again in the Netherlands. In principle, this must be completed within 3 years. With a good reason, she can get a 2-year extension. If she has completed the integration course in the Netherlands in the Netherlands, she will receive a residence permit for an indefinite period.
Start by letting her come to the Netherlands for a while and don't promise mountains of gold. Don't be fooled by the dreamed illusion of your own restaurant in Thailand. It seems strong to me if more than 10% of the fortune seekers in Thailand make it business-wise. First try if your relationship will survive if there are no golden mountains in your dreams. Reality is harsh. And you can swear so much at the IND, but I can guarantee that a lot of people abuse others to get a comfortable Dutch passport. They are right, if you don't have much you will look for it where it is. Something for you to keep in mind. And working black as an option is especially unattractive because the chance of getting caught is increasing. Then there is no chance of a longer stay with a work permit. Moreover, what rights do you still have if she is underpaid, has to work too long, in the event of an industrial accident, etcetera. Easy does it. Just follow the rules, takes time, but you can use it to perpetuate your relationship. It is better for the relationship and the risks are somewhat smaller. The story of Peter above … goes a dime a dozen. Unfortunately for the good guys, who are actually out there. Wishing you all the success, happiness and love!
And don't forget that you will have to guarantee (or find someone for it). Can cost you a lot if things go wrong.
All good advice, but regulations have been made to prevent people from staying illegally in the Netherlands. Of course it is not nice that everything takes a long time, but the short (illegal) route usually brings more misery. Because if you really love each other (mutually) and you don't choose the right path, then the misery is only greater. Also don't forget that the checks in the Netherlands are getting bigger and bigger, especially in Asian restaurants and if you get caught you won't be able to enter the Netherlands at all and the employer will also receive a large fine.
Simply, as mentioned above a few times, follow the "normal" procedure: MVV, integration course, etc. Under no circumstances would I let her work undeclared, if she and/or her employer are caught, the consequence may be that she you can completely forget about working in the Netherlands. By the way, do you also take into account that she must have health insurance? Think before you (something impossible) begin !!
Gentlemen,
Thank you all very much for your advice.
Now I have a good insight into my possibilities. (Although there aren't that many...)
Be sure to ask around at various agencies.
Yours faithfully,
Arnold Hartman
Gentlemen,
Many thanks for all the responses and advice!
Will take this to heart and do something about it.
The next logical step seems to me to contact the UWV. And also check which training in cooks Thailand is equivalent to N4 here, then she will at least have a better chance on the labor market if the MVV has been obtained.
Once again many thanks to all.
Yours faithfully,
Arnold Hartman