You have to go to Bangkok for a new passport
Unfortunately, I still had a passport that was only valid for five years. It had to be replaced by October 9 with a copy that will retain its value for ten years. Lizzy's Dutch travel document expired around the same date, although it must be replaced every five years until she turns eighteen due to the changing appearance.
The whole matter can be settled at His Majesty's Embassy in Bangkok, albeit by appointment only in the morning. That is a risky task from Hua Hin (let alone the rest of Thailand). So booked a room in hotel Solo on Sukhumvit soi 2, a few steps from the consular entrance on soi Ton Son.
Because I didn't want to pick Lizzy up from school for two days, we left by car at about four o'clock in the afternoon. Naturally, we ran into a traffic jam halfway through, which canceled out the planned three-hour travel time. I relied on the built-in GPS to get into soi 2. Friend Raysiya did the same with Google on her phone. That was not such a good idea because where my device indicated right in now dark Bangkok, Google was sure it had to be left. And that in rush hour in overcrowded Bangkok. I lived in suburban Prawet for six years, but always took the Skytrain downtown. From Hua Hin I had only been to the airport and suburbs in recent years. With a lot of fives and sixes (not good for your relationship!) we arrived at hotel Solo.
For 1850 baht, it certainly offered value for money. The rooms are excellently furnished and even equipped with a rain shower, separate pantry and even an espresso machine. There is a swimming pool on the roof. Lizzy slept like a baby on a bench in an alcove and the included breakfast is hard to beat. The hotel has its own tuk-tuk to busy Sukhumvit, where you can walk over the heads of tourists from Arab countries. And then we shout that it is getting so busy in Hua Hin…
Far too early the next morning by taxi on the way to the embassy, where Lizzy's mother arrived by train from Udon Thani. Lizzy and myself were armed with a ream of paper, but you know my experience: one is always missing. That turned out to be the case again.
The Thai lady behind the counter was friendly and businesslike. Where was the statement that Lizzy is Dutch? I acknowledged her as a father before birth in 2010, but had not found the paper in the list on the embassy website. Back to Hua Hin to pick up the statement? Fortunately, the lady in the little room behind the counter quickly found the original. So many children in Thailand in 2010 were again not recognized before birth. The application for Lizzy was processed for payment of 4460 baht.
The lady then looked skeptically at my passport photo. My face was a little too crooked… I told her that my face is just a little crooked on my torso. She accepted this explanation. After giving two fingerprints I was allowed to tap 4980 baht, plus 1150 baht for the consular statement that my passport is really my passport. Basically a bizarre paper, albeit demanded here and there by Immigration in Thailand. In Hua Hin they don't do that nonsense, but the risk that Immigration will ask about it sooner or later is too great.
Armed with two application numbers, Lizzy and I now have to wait four weeks for both documents to arrive. In the meantime, we can track the passports on the internet. To save myself a trip to Bangkok, I had my passport (with the exception of visa and extension of stay) invalidated. That may have been thoughtless. Let's just hope I don't have to go abroad in the meantime...
About this blogger
- Almost 20 years ago, journalist Hans Bos moved to Bangkok. Almost from the beginning, he was involved in the birth of Thailandblog. As a journalist, he worked for Limburg newspapers and for the travel trade journals of what was once called Elsevier. Hans (76) has lived in Hua Hin for 14 years, with his wife Raysiya and daughter Lizzy. He was secretary and vice-chairman of the Dutch association in Hua Hin and Cha Am for about nine years.
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Quote : "Where was the statement that Lizzy is Dutch". And according to Hans, it is not on the list of the embassy.”
Two strange facts that call for clarification, it seems to me.
After the birth of my daughter, I myself obtained recognition as a Dutch father through a procedure before the Thai court, because I am not married, and also arranged the Dutch nationality for my now 3-year-old daughter.
The fact is that someone can demonstrate that he has Dutch nationality, after all, in possession of a Dutch passport stating that the holder has Dutch nationality. I think the embassy wrongly asks for the old statement of recognition. When applying for Dutch citizenship, you have already submitted everything and demonstrated that you are entitled to Dutch citizenship.
Hello Ger,
I read your response. I have some personal questions as I am in a similar situation to you. Can you please send an email to [email protected] then I can explain my situation. It is rather urgent. Thank you Harry
For any parent facing confusion with the Bangkok Embassy, it is always good to also email the very professional Regional Support Office in Malaysia to double check. [email protected]
Dutch language is no problem…..
They know the ins and outs.
PS: a good acquaintance was able to collect his passport, which had been applied for in Bangkok, after a message back and forth with the RSO in Kuala Lumpur during a business trip. Bangkok said that was not possible, but very quickly to pick up there. No hassle with mail.
The embassy wants to see how the child acquired Dutch citizenship. Option, recognition, etc. The passport itself does not indicate this. And don't expect sophisticated IT databases from the Dutch government in which these kinds of things can be called up immediately. Like authority and the like.
At the Grace of God you can squeeze through the very outdated system and then wait 4 weeks. I renewed my passport and that of my half-Thai son in the Netherlands itself, in combination with a holiday. Then I don't have to be treated like a crazy person behind a fist-thick window with speakers and……….the passports applied for on a Monday and collected the next day (Tuesday morning!). Perfect help and no hassle. 188 for a business passport (valid for 10 years) + child passport (5 years).
Diplomatic pouch is sent every week to the Netherlands vice versa but new passports come with a steamer I think.
I can recommend everyone, if you are on vacation, to apply for your passport at Schiphol, as they are open 7 days a week in high season and 6 days a week in low season. Then also extended opening hours and you can pick up your passport within a few working days.
Do make an appointment in advance.
If Dutch citizenship has already been established, after all this has been confirmed by the Dutch State by issuing a Dutch passport, then you do not have to show the procedure of all data for the minor child every 5 years, I think.
After all, if they are consistent, you could also apply this to adults, demonstrating that you are Dutch. But no, they only do this for minors.
Nils, new passports applied for in Bangkok will not come by steamer but by plane from Kualalumpur as they are produced in Malaysia.
But that's only 1.471 kilometers. That's special. In Venlo they have them ready within 24 hours of request. And that is not by plane.
The consular statement that my passport with number X was a substitute for number Y was required from me by immigration Hua Hin in 2014. Unfortunately back to the embassy.
Since it was the first time for me to renew my passport abroad, I had informed in advance at immigration Hua Hin how to proceed to transfer my visa. Was told come with the old and new passport and we will convert it for you. I was not told that I needed the consular certificate until that………
I may have an unreliable appearance. 😉
I received the new passport within 2 weeks after visiting the Embassy.
However, what does not work in the procedure is a track and trace for the EMS part.
The code provided shows (after having already received an email) nothing more than a reference to that email.
For the Embassy to delivery address route, the critical part in Thailand,
you do not receive the EMS registration number.
Recently also renewed my passport, I was there on time and it was my turn before the time of the appointment. Everything was arranged within ten minutes. In the ten minutes that I was there I had to listen to enough nagging from the Dutch people present. There was even a couple at the embassy who wanted a share booklet. They thought it was strange that they didn't know what it was about.
Now I also had holes made in my passport so as not to have to go back to Bangkok, I received my passport well within four weeks. However, this caused some delays at check-in when flying back to Samui. The lady behind the counter had never seen a passport with holes, some other employees joined and it was fine.
After the reception also visited two banks to pass on the new passport number. This has to be done at the branch where you opened the account, for this simple action I had to sign quite a few forms.
My driver's license also has the old passport number on it, so I will have to change that too.
Part booklet must be yellow booklet (house registration).
Yes, renewing a passport for an adult is not such an easy task. It is with minors that many parents get the blood under the nails. A friend of mine insisted on having the Thai recognition certificate translated and legalized again. After some quarreling, the embassy turned out to have the relevant document in its file / archive, as always indicated by the friend. The translation and legalization could just be canceled (16 pages!). Then he was asked for the marriage certificate but never got married. Reading a file also seems to be a task.
Why has it all become so difficult (every application is assessed by The Hague) and sometimes even the embassy no longer knows how to do it? Because there has been frequent abuse by fraudsters and, for example, wrongfully claimed child benefit and so on. These are not the authentic Dutch parents, but the people to whom the Netherlands opens its door wide. Rif Mountains and all…
Dear Hans, last time you mentioned that you were recently in the Netherlands with Lizzy. Why didn't you arrange it directly at Schiphol then? This does not detract from the readability of your account. Regards, Gus
Dear Guus, when had comes, having is too late. I arrived late with EVA. Then you want to pick up the rental car as quickly as possible with a daughter of six and to your accommodation address. Hopefully better next time.
The Belgians among us can arrange this by post. Once a year the consular bus comes to a lot of places to take your fingerprints and stuff. Once this is arranged, the rest can simply be done by mail