Dear readers,
The robber barons, led by chief knight R, have again found a source of money on the advice of their investigators. One A te S is also on the list of future robber baron. He has given the advice to increase the payroll tax on AOW by 70%. That idea has earned him a salary increase, from 80.000 to the Balkenende standard of about 178.000 euros. Of course, excluding expenses and extra compensation in connection with a much higher pension benefit.
I am angry and this is why:
My payroll tax was € 2014 in December 57,17 and € 2015 in January 97,25, an increase of 70%! After checking with the SVB, this turned out to be correct. See the response from the SVB below:
We regret to inform you that the deduction is correct. As a result of several telephone calls, we found out that the single wage tax rate for people living abroad and from whom only wage tax and national insurance contributions are withheld has been increased from 2015% to 5,1% as of January 8,35. This also explains why the net amount has become a lot lower.
I can still imagine that percentages go up slightly, for example due to inflation, but such increases are simply robbery!
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Hank,
The increase from 5.1 to 8.35% is due to a change in the AWBZ, which no longer exists and has been transferred in other laws to municipalities and health insurers, who receive a reimbursement of 9% for this. Because the AWBZ premium was always 12.25%, the government added that difference of 3.25% to the tax percentage. On balance, a Dutch person living in NL simply pays the same rate of tax and national insurance as the year before. Anyway, people who do not live in NL or EU now have to pay more tax. In addition, they want to increase the tax for state pensioners to about 19%, so in other words, get ready for another 11% in the coming years. Anyone who has emigrated before September 1, 2009 and has been from the Netherlands for 10 years can apply for a tax exemption for the withheld tax on the basis of the constitution, there are already people who no longer pay any tax at all, so they have been here for at least 10 years.
The fact that NL does have taxpayers who live outside the EU pay tax but does not apply the tax credit is discrimination and can be challenged in the law on the principle of equality or human rights.
@Roel,
“Anyone who has emigrated before September 1, 2009 and has been out of the Netherlands for 10 years can apply for a tax exemption for the withheld tax on the basis of the constitution.”
Is there anything about this in the tax file?
Dear Roel
Is there a possibility to react collectively and challenge this discrimination with the Dutch tax authority.
Greetings William
Dear Willem,
I am not a pensioner myself, but I understand that they are already investigating everything, but it can take a long time. I understand from friends that their union had said in advance that it would entail a reduction of about 15 euros, which has become about 100 euros, so they also asked for an explanation. These are not old age pensioners, but civil servants who have retired on the basis of a collective labor agreement and early retirement.
The government had then also scrapped the one-off compensation for everyone living outside the EU, the headline scheme as I remember, it was also reversed and paid out retroactively. This also lasted for 5 years. The AOW pensioners know this or should know this.
As soon as I know more I will share it on this blog
I have been living in Thailand since October 2014.
I only have a pension from the ABP.
Since January 2015, with the new tax tables and the ending of the payroll tax credit,
That saves me 107 Euros per month net.
Thanks to Rutte and Samson and friends.
Add to that the depreciation of the Euro and the minimum interest we receive .
In short, our interests are well represented.
It's really not nice what's happening. We also deliver in the Netherlands.
This year no care allowance 800,00 euros less everything has become more expensive here too.
Retirement last year cost me 3000 euros got AOW 2 months later Pensioenfonds also charged a higher tax rate over 2 months. Couldn't cover myself for this had just taken early retirement when the law was passed. And so I can go on. It's time for a new cabinet.
Not only people living outside Europe are affected by this change in the AWBZ.
All residents of the Netherlands are also worse off.
These have a reduction of 3,25% for the AWBZ and an increase for the tax of 3,25%.
Apparently neutral.
But if you think about it for a moment, you realize that the implementation of the AWBZ has been passed on to the health insurers.
They do not do this for free, so the costs are reflected in the health insurance premiums.
In fact, it is an ordinary indirect tax increase.
The government provides fewer services for the same amount of money.
Something similar has also happened with the housing cooperatives.
The government collects money from the cooperatives, which are then allowed to recover it from the tenant with rent increases.
Apparently the government does not burden citizens more heavily, because it happens indirectly.
But in reality it is of course a tax increase, only the government will not call it that.
You can also rest assured that more raids are being held.
If you have been deregistered as a resident and you have a pension from the ABP, you are expected to pay tax. You can't get out of that. That is your duty, you MUST pay taxes on it. The medical costs are also paid from these taxes and as a Dutch citizen you MUST be insured for medical costs.
If you are deregistered, you still have the obligation to pay tax, but you lose the right to use your own tax money if necessary.
As opposed to the duty of the one, there is the (un(right) of the other.
Thank you Roel for the explanation
I took early retirement from the Netherlands on August 1 and have a post-pension.
As already indicated here by Kees, we no longer use anything in our homeland, but deductions about something that we are no longer entitled to, I am amazed.
I see your post on the blog
Didn't we have an extensive discussion about this on the blog recently? And about the 3,25 percent higher wage tax on the first bracket. Some readers claimed that they received even more in January than in December. That may be correct, because then the SVB still assumes the wage tax credit they have ticked. And are they legally obliged to submit a declaration form to the tax authorities. They then receive an assessment of a few hundred euros…
I also agree with the statement that this is legalized theft by the robbery. Think about that the next time you vote!
First of all: I do not agree with the Dutch government that tries to raise money wherever possible. This may affect those living in the Netherlands even harder than those abroad, such as Thailand.
On the other hand, I have read so many articles about immigrants, with higher interest rates on the bank than in the Netherlands (about 1% in the Netherlands, barely covering inflation).
With the money from AOW or pension you can pretty much live like God in France in terms of fixed costs in Thailand.
I read several times that people do not use the facilities of the Netherlands. But if there is ever a serious operation, you will see the foreign Dutchman going across the border to the Netherlands.
Ultimately, you can lead a better life with your AOW in a country like Thailand than with the same amount in the Netherlands. Every advantage has its disadvantage, as Kruif always says. Yes, it is sour dear fellow compatriots, but you have made a choice and you can change it again. So what are you paying attention to when you want to live in the Netherlands again? Welcome. But then you will have to miss the benefits of Thailand. And what weighs more?
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Marianne,
I don't think you are very well informed. The interest on the Thai bank is about the same as in the Netherlands. But just like in the Netherlands, you can possibly go for a higher interest rate. However, this higher interest will be taxed again (the bank withholds) at 25%
Immigration here also does not allow me to have this amount on different accounts for the 800.000 bath visa requirement.
As for the serious operation, that's just nonsense. We are privately insured here in Thailand and this insurance does not cover outside SE Asia. Cq. I am uninsured in the Netherlands.
Dear Marianne,
I don't know what egg you came from, but living like a God in France you should explain that to me a little better, because now you are going very short. Idd living here is a personal choice, and pay taxes but get nothing in return? Think about health insurance, asylum seekers in NL for 80-90 euros basic insurance and we here the main prize. I don't know which God you mean, but he hasn't lived here for a while........
Be glad you are not an asylum seeker. But you have to put your money where your mouth is Bart.
I don't really understand what you're so worried about, you live in Thailand anyway. It is easy to list only disadvantages. Come on
Succes
Dear Johan,
I think you misunderstood me, I'm not just listing the downsides, I'm listing a downside. I live here and realize how good I have it here, but we should not stare blindly at all the advantages, there are also some disadvantages that should be mentioned by name, right?
And no, I'm not an asylum seeker, but that's a whole other discussion and I know I think differently than you, but that's allowed in a democracy, right?
And I used to make a fuss about something, now I just reacted to someone from the Netherlands who told me behind his computer that I (WE) are doing so well and therefore shouldn't complain, I can't handle that very well. And I think (but that's personal) that if I do have to pay the tax, I can get something in return about it.
Also wish you a nice day.
If you only have to do it from your state pension in Thailand, you don't have it wide in my opinion. Your rent, water and light. Living costs have also become more expensive in Thailand. You need less, such as clothes. I know Dutch people who go from pub to pub every day. Yes, it will fly out of your wallet.
I have often heard from those pensioners: “The Netherlands can be stolen because of me. I'm never going back.
I'm glad I live in Thailand. ”
Dear people You have all voluntarily, with a few exceptions, gone to the land of smiles. No one has forced you…..know that well. Dutch legislation still applies to you, such as the AOW AND SVB policy.
Big advantage it is now wonderfully warm in Thailand, just think about this compared to this cold climate.
You're doing well.
@Roel,
“Anyone who has emigrated before September 1, 2009 and has been out of the Netherlands for 10 years can apply for a tax exemption for the withheld tax on the basis of the constitution.”
Is there information about this anywhere?
Yes Comelis if you are deregistered from the Netherlands in your previous place of residence, you can use that extract to request an exemption from the tax authorities HEERLEN if you pay taxes, you have done this yourself and have lived here for ten years now and no wage tax is withheld and you do not have to to report. I hope this will help you, and everyone is entitled to a permanent tax credit and it has been said so often if you HAVE a PENSION FROM THE GOVERNMENT ( BV ABP ) then tax will be withheld in the Netherlands.
Hoping to have helped you with this.
We are Dutch or not sometimes so if we didn't grumble something is wrong. With the allowance for my wife, it saves 11 euros per month. As an NL'er I can really get angry about that, especially because it is quite expensive here compared to NL and the sun doesn't always shine like in the frog country. Moreover, I support the Dutch government in everything they do because it is the best government on earth, especially for old age pensioners! For example, they also came up with the famous CVZ contributions and developed the fantastic EHIC card for us that works throughout Europe except in the 26 countries in the EU outside NL!. Meanwhile, CVZ is called differently because the name evoked too many heart complaints!
And moreover, surely all those complainants have built up a company pension and built up a private, deductible, pension benefit of their own free will?
Think about it friends!
@tonymarony,
Your statement has little to do with the quoted text by Roel.
You always pay tax in the Netherlands on the AOW and you can apply for an exemption for pension.
but that is independent of departure before or after September 1, 2009 and having emigrated for 10 years.
After 10 years, an assessment to be preserved expires.
Does Roel's text therefore only refer to the AOW, comes from AOW legislation.
Or from tax law. Or is it a court order.
So that was the question I asked and still ask.