Benefits of native and non-native Dutch nationals living outside Europe are adjusted to the level of the country of residence. This is how it can be read today in the Volkskrant.
The plan of Minister of Social Affairs Henk Kamp (VVD) applies to the:
- disability benefit (WIA);
- survivor benefit (ANW);
- child benefit (AKW);
- and the additional child benefit measures for lower incomes.
The Council of Ministers will decide on the proposal today. The previous cabinet already had similar plans, so it is expected that this proposal will be approved.
Thailand child benefit
Thousands of benefits will be adjusted as a result of the measure. In 2008, 5028 children went to Morocco, 2370 to Turkey, 1332 to the US, 413 to Suriname and 404 to Thailand, the Volkskrant calculates. In some countries, up to six times as much can be bought per euro as in the Netherlands. It can then be 'profitable' to move to a country outside the European Union. That is why the government thinks it is logical that someone who lives in a cheaper country also receives less benefit. By adjusting the benefits, thirty million euros could be saved per year.
Stop child benefit in the long term
The measure had already been announced in the tolerance and coalition agreement. In the long term, the government wants to stop paying child benefit to countries outside the EU altogether. For this, forty treaties with other countries must first be amended.
The previous cabinet of CDA, PvdA and ChristenUnie also wanted to introduce the country of residence principle. The discussion flared up two years ago after the Social Insurance Bank reported that a group of Turkish and Moroccan parents cheated with double child benefit.
A difference is already being made this year between people aged 65 and over who live in the Netherlands and abroad. Tax measures that support the purchasing power of the elderly only apply to those who pay tax in the Netherlands. The Senate approved this this week.
The cabinet does not intend to increase the benefit for people who live in more expensive countries such as Luxembourg and Switzerland. The change is to take effect on January 1, 2012.
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This will undoubtedly affect a number of Dutch people in Thailand. The good must suffer for the bad. Let's hope that the savings of 30 million will be well spent someday.
The government (again) changes the rules during the game. Is also partly a matter of vest pocket-pocket. Some of those affected are then forced to return to the Netherlands, with all the consequences that entails. It is better to be poor in your own country than in a faraway country.
As so often Hans and you rightly notice, the government is changing the rules of the game. If they also apply this to the state pension, then only the rich will be able to leave our Netherlands and many will have to return to the very expensive cold / chilly Birthland.
The healthcare and other costs will then only increase in the Netherlands and eventually people will have a taste of their own medicine and the cutbacks will result in an increase in expenditure.
I think we get a lot of people who keep a postal address and rent a room somewhere in the Netherlands in order to receive the full benefit.
I don't know if the good suffer from the bad as Peter says. Because the system was as it was, there was a broken system that everyone could use, including Dutch people (with children), whether or not abroad.
The way in which people now think to solve this seems to me to be another blank slate that will unfortunately affect many.
Another example. We will cut the state pension age by 400 million by raising the age to 67, but we will spend 270 million on a toy airplane. I think this rather the good should suffer under the decisions of the evil.
Sad for all those Dutch people affected by this and who have to come back.
I doubt whether people get a taste of their own medicine Thailandgoer. You forget to mention that now 100% of the benefit disappears from the Netherlands and is spent abroad. A postal address will also no longer be easy, since people will also be reduced on the (AOW) benefit because they are regarded as cohabiting.
Bye Hank.
I highly doubt that 100% of that money will disappear, that welfare recipients will be added, I am sure that healthcare costs will go up, you can already start saving for it.
Some reasons why many Dutch people have left are .
It is not possible to make ends meet in NL in 1 normal way if you have rheumatism, for example, and 1 ex who makes maximum use of her rights.
I agree 100% that there are people who have abused the social system in advance.
This in short because I see 1 endless discussion coming again.
Good point Hank.
Only I think that if you come back to the Netherlands, as Pim says, you can do little here with that money and you only walk from counter to counter to scrape together your pennies to pay your fixed costs.
Many in the Asian countries can really live well on their Aow and some savings. You can no longer do that in the Netherlands.
Fortunately, the rule does not yet apply to the state pensioners and people with a full disability benefit, so they will be spared for a while.
Regards,
Thailandgoer.
Is that right ! that people with a full disability benefit are spared?
Yes, I wonder that too. Does this measure also apply to people with a full WAO benefit?
Hi Willem,
I've been asking people who are into this matter for a while. And the WGA that is being tackled is part of the WAO/WIA, but the latter are (for the time being) not taken into account. The preliminary phase for the wia and disability benefits will therefore be shortened. I only expect that the following plans/changes will also affect the wia and disability benefits and also the state pension. In time (40 years and beyond), the state pension will even disappear completely for new starters in the labor process. It would be better for them to start paying the state pension premium into their own pension. Because they can't keep this system up like this. But these are all plans that are still in the design phase and are still being worked on.
Cheers,
Thailandgoer.
Toy plane, very advanced, the Netherlands agreed at the time to buy 2 test planes anyway.
The Dutch contribution to the development of this aircraft is about 800 million euros, so that's on top of it… a small caveat here: the Netherlands receives orders for roughly 66 companies. Yes Yes
Look, with such ideas you have to cut the benefits for the expats.
What do we use those things for, to harass other countries right away.
Millions of development subsidies go to the most senseless projects abroad and the Netherlands, by the way, also controlled by Brussels.
Many multinationals would have gone bankrupt long ago if they were controlled by politicians
Well spent ?? go to war, and buy Joint Strike Fighterers for sure !!, plus the patient file fiasco, etc…
So in Thailand my weak euro is worth 6 x more, so I would like another one!!
After the bad euro due to mismanagement and lying by garlic countries, so now pay the laughter what was caused mainly by Moroccans and Turks. Can still be added, I wonder what else is in the offing.
These people have worked and paid for it all their lives and THEREFORE they are entitled to it, they are already being squeezed on all sides by the pension funds and now the government is also coming over, they also know that life is cheaper anyway is and will remain and that returning to the Netherlands for that reason will not be an option for the majority of the pensionadas.
You have no rights in the Netherlands. Because our government keeps changing the rules of the game and so your rights disappear into nothing.
Now about that return: Some countries make certain income requirements and assets a condition of living there. See Thailand. So it can go wrong if a government starts doing something like this.
nothing right-you have if you really did…) paid for those who got that benefit THEN. The current working generation works for your benefit. that's the cover system. If it hadn't been started that way by the old Drees, we still wouldn't have had state pension now. As everyone who follows the news knows - at the time there were many more who worked for fewer people on benefits and now it is the other way around. And I also noticed that Thailand is apparently number 5 in child benefit - barely below Suriname. But with just 400 children (who probably don't come from 400 families) you can't really talk about 1000s.
Then the Netherlands will have many homeless people.
Will they also take exchange rate differences into account?
Are you crazy Pim we are all going to Abu Dhabi or another expensive country. The benefit is nevertheless adjusted to the level of the country where you reside. 🙂
Then you should read the last paragraph of the article again. 😉
Read the humor Miek, It was just a joke.
Anyway, what do you think I should read in the first paragraph?
Was my side also a joke on yours, see smilie behind my response.
I don't have a good word to say about how the past cabinets cut everything. On the one hand they throw the money over the bar, on the other hand they chop with the blunt ax for all those Dutch people who have toiled hard for years. Everywhere they take an extra, is it not that the special medical expenses deduction on your tax form disappears, or that a gray registration car is no longer available to private individuals. They come up with something different every time, but the high gentlemen in The Hague don't eat a slice of bread less because of it. Now 15 years later, our financial space has been halved and the poor rich in the Netherlands are bursting at the seams. Everyone complains, everyone. You see it around you every day, so many sober people and everyone gets a short fuse.
No, that beautiful Netherlands of 25 years ago no longer exists.
What are we talking about? what percentage? and how to calculate the costs of a Thai or expat?
The country of residence principle is based on the cost of living and the average income in the country in question. I think there will be some formula for it.
That's what I've been looking for for 2 days now. How do you want to determine that. One WAO is higher than the other. Will there be capping or how are those formulas?
nothing can be found about this.
No idea, they want to cap the incomplete WAO if I understand correctly. There is no mention of the complete. Nor about the people who fall under the old WAO scheme and not in the WIA. In short, there will still be a lot of changes in this plan. Not for the better I'm afraid.
The state pension is still excluded from this proposal.
I will ask Rutte to do my shopping today.
1 bottle of milk 1 euro, 1 jar of applesauce 3 euros, 1 pack of butter 2 euros, 1 jar of red beets 4 euros with a bit of luck there will be 1 rat in the trap and otherwise he will only have to pick up 1 hit dog to roast some meat.
The rest of the amount to be spent will go to living expenses and to my ex who otherwise cannot have dinner with her boyfriend in the state casino tonight.
She soon ran out of the amount of the forced sale of the house.
Where can I register as a refugee from NL .in Thailand .
The cutbacks are a stroke of luck, but it will mainly concern the ideas of the PVV that all expats are profiteers and must therefore be addressed. Pure political bullshit.
Various benefits to people living outside Europe are adjusted according to the cost level of the country where the recipient or child lives.
The Council of Ministers has agreed to this on the proposal of Minister Kamp (SZW). The measure will come into effect on 1 July 2012 for the General Surviving Dependents Act (ANW), partly for the Resumption of Work Scheme for the Partially Disabled (WGA) and child benefit. The starting date for the child-related budget is 1 January 2013. (source: Ministry of Social Affairs and Employment)
Do you know when the scheme for the WAO/WIA will come into effect and whether this also applies to the WAZ?
The income of a foreigner in Thailand is set at 800.000 baht per year, right? So every year I fall short of my benefits.
No, you must have approximately 20.000 euros in a savings account 3 months before your visa extension. This means that you can easily pump money around with 4 people to meet the requirement. Shouldn't anyone die in the meantime because I don't know how you will get your money.
Ps 20.000 euros is about that 800.000 baht. I think that requirement only applies if you are 50 years or older. But the expats know much more about that and there has been a lot of discussion about this in the various articles.
That pumping around doesn't work. The money must demonstrably come from abroad. So when it goes from one Thai bank account to another, it no longer originates from abroad. Refunding to the Netherlands is also not possible, as you can only transfer a limited amount.
You only have to show that you have 3 baht in an account 800.000 months before the extension. Nowhere does it say that they have to come from abroad.
• You must be 50 years of age or over to be eligible for a retirement visa.
• Evidence of funds must be shown in a Thai bank account and must originate from outside the country. The funds must reside in the account for 90 days before the application date.
• You CAN NOT import household goods to Thailand duty free with a retirement visa.
I see this information on many websites.
It also seems to me that if you do not have a work permit (retired) the money must come from abroad.
May I just make an additional comment, to dot the i's and cross the t's?
The requirement of the Thai government is not that you must have 800.000 Baht in your bank account or savings account, but that your monthly income PLUS any savings is 800.000 Baht in total. It roughly boils down to this:
If you receive approximately € 1.650 monthly on your account, in NL or Thailand, it does not matter, then you meet the requirement. Then you don't need any savings at all. Suppose someone receives only € 1.400 in AOW plus pensions, or WAO or WIA, so you must have something of € 3.000 in your account.
Having € 20.000 in an account is therefore only necessary if you have no income per month!
See the official Thai government website in English.
It is no longer a plan. I read yesterday that it has been approved…
Congratulations Peter, you have the 10.000th comment yourself !!!
That doesn't count 😉
Do you perhaps have a link to the source of that article because I would like to read it. It is crazy that soon all those Dutch people in Thailand, for example, will be the victims of this kind of regulation. Many won't even be able to leave our little country soon.
http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2686/Binnenland/article/detail/1878287/2011/04/21/Voorstel-uitkeringsniveau-verlagen-naar-norm-woonland.dhtml
Some have more information than others. Is there something to read somewhere about the decisions and the starting dates?
Hi Robert
You can read the decision here:
http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/nieuws/2011/04/21/uitkeringen-in-landen-buiten-europa-aangepast.html
Hi Robert,
Yesterday it was stated on teletext and various other media that it will apply to partially disabled benefits. So if I read it correctly, the 100% WIA / WAO people are kept out of harm's way. But I don't know if you are looking for this information.
Here's an article confirming this:
http://www.rnw.nl/nederlands/bulletin/export-uitkeringen-buiten-europa-aan-banden
http://www.depers.nl/binnenland/563167/Export-uitkeringen-buiten-Europa-aan-banden.html
http://www.nu.nl/geldzaken/2497578/kabinet-verlaagt-uitkering-in-goedkoper-land.html
http://www.limburger.nl/article/20110421/ANPNIEUWS01/104210356/1105
Incidentally, Kamp wants to abolish all child benefit for children outside Europe in the long term. I even think I read somewhere that 2014 is mentioned as the effective date here. For this, however, about 40 contracts with those countries have to be broken up and adjusted.
We'll hear and see.
I hope this is of some use to you.
Cheers,
Thailandgoer.
Robert
the government's website states: “The Council of Ministers has agreed to this on the proposal of Minister Kamp (SZW). The measure will come into effect on 1 July 2012 for the General Surviving Dependents Act (ANW), partly for the Resumption of Work Scheme for the Partially Disabled (WGA) and child benefit. The starting date for the child-related budget is 1 January 2013.”
This means that WIA and WAO are not taken into account and people who are in that boat need not worry that they will be cut.
I just consulted an expert who is completely at home in this matter and he fully confirms this.
Gr.
Thailandgoer
This is indeed very reassuring, since I myself am in the WIA/WAO group 80-100 rejected.
But this is of course gratifying news for all these Wao'ers 80-100% rejected. Thanks for the reply. Very reassuring
@ Robert, I just changed your name. There is already a Robert active. This is confusing. Use an add-on if necessary.
Robert Duke is fine.
And it's about the wia and wajong so not for the waz!
Do you mean statutory disability benefits for the self-employed?
Paid a lot for that as self-employed for years, was canceled from one moment for new cases, so that self-employed people had to take out higher private insurance.
Never received a thank you from the government, in fact that is downright theft.
What an excitement: when married, above 65 + 100% state pension, there is no reduction: Your income must be 400.000 baht per year: You buy your annual visa for 1900 baht and get a stamp once every 1 days after the Emigration has viewed your data.
Discounts do not apply to the above group.
Surcharge for younger woman will not be changed. Amen
Dear Sir,
I hope you are right about this because as far as I can remember there was also somewhere in a program of one of the coalition parties that they wanted to bring the state pension back to the level of the country of residence. And to be honest, I expect that they will continue to do so for the next 20 years.
Incidentally, yesterday Kamp stated very clearly that if you live in a country where the living environment is more expensive than in the Netherlands, then you are out of luck and will not receive a penny more.
By the way, you would now only be 40 years old and walking around with plans to ever move from this country. And you only see that all the rules are changed and your “rights” disappear. It feels very different from the fact that you are already 65+ and lying on the beach in Thailand and you already have everything on dry land. So I think it is absolutely understandable that people are concerned about this.
My mood was ruined for today when I read this this morning, guess you could be right.
And as long as brussels thinks it needs more money every year and weaker eu brothers continue to push through, it won't get any better for my 48-year-old generation.
www,indexmundi.com read gross income the netherlands 38.600 and thailand 7.900 in us dollars per 2009, so that is about 4,5 times less.
Life in Thailand is really not 4,5 times cheaper for a farang lifestyle
I think you're absolutely right on that last point. Only they will measure here with a different bar and we will soon be screwed, I'm afraid.
Am I not right then with the top one with regard to the eu?
I see that I submitted the wrong website http://www.indexmundi.com
Oh, but that's not what I meant. I really don't know how that works what you're referring to.
Well brussels has decided that more money needs to be spent once again.
So the member countries are allowed to pay more.
If you also read the newspapers that a lot of money goes abroad / the Netherlands unchecked for the most absurd things, well that gives me high blood pressure.
As a Dutchman in Thailand, you will immediately be punished with discounts by the Netherlands, while money is thrown away in other countries.
I am quite in favor of development aid, but the money often ends up with the wrong people.
No, on the contrary, as farang we often have to pay even more.
see article http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2686/Binnenland/article/detail/1878287/2011/04/21/Voorstel-uitkeringsniveau-verlagen-naar-norm-woonland.dhtml
Don't forget :
With this group described by me you do NOT need to have or show a so-called savings account
can we just keep our savings?? or do they also take part of that because thailand is cheap lol
End of May Is there already something known about the new amounts for KB that will apply to Thailand ??
Just a calculation. with a house rent of 12000 baht p/m
Electricity, water, drinking water, gas 2500,,
Health insurance costs + female indoor 4500,,,,,
Doctor, medicine, blood test [together] outdoor 4500..
car, [paid off] petrol etc 3500 ,,,,
internet, landline. cable 1500,,,,,,
mobile cards, especially woman 800 ,,,,
contribution thai mother etc, what is given 3000,,,,,
flowers buddha, insects, spraying, small maintenance house, 1500,,,,
groceries makro [2x] or carrefour 8000,,,,
groceries market, daily, fruit, vegetables, fish 12000
Insurance, car, motorbike, fire, visa etc. 2200 ,,,
pocket money me and pocket money woman 6000,,,
2x eating out [Thai and Dutch] 1200
birthdays [presents] 400,,,,
This is almost 49000 baht and I will probably have forgotten a few things, so this is already 1 euros per month, without being crazy. Die Kamp and his officials are, completely wrong, what you have to spend, Gross is bullshit, you live on net!!!
A poor Thai [there are also rich , abundant] lives much differently than the Farang, who are used to more luxury. Indeed Thai food is cheap, but imports are extremely expensive, in many cases. and the petrol, for example, has also more than doubled in 6 years. But also meat, fish, cooking oil, etc. Also the hospitals. You also sometimes want to go home, for family, funeral, etc. A ticket cost 6 years ago, from here 24000, now 34000 baht.
In this global calculation , growing children are not even included. There are plenty of men here, with school-going children, so you also have to pay the expenses. A family attachment [mother] too.
I myself am 57 years old, completely. rejected, as I could no longer do anything, it cost me 2 full manpower, including a chef. my income was halved in 3 years and I also received a benefit to !!!.650 euros net. now gross + net 1060 euros.
Fortunately, I had some savings, in some sort of retirement form, so I'll be fine. Many, unfortunately not and can sit in the garden and drink a beer in company 2 or 3 times.
,,,
well there is quite a bit of margin in your calculation, 8000 macro and 12000 fruit and vegetables? That is more than an average income in Thailand for a Thai in a year. What do you think, that the younger generation in NL will take care of your old age in Thailand? I don't know, people who have not contributed to society for years live like gods in France while we have to pay 60% tax in NL???? I think it is only right that it should be looked at honestly. And that there is an end to it!
Levina, Huib has forgotten that he has a massage twice a week for 2 .-Thb each time.
I wish the good life to him and not to the families who chased us away from NL to supposedly come to work.
At least Huib has done his part in NL.
Think about what you have to pay that tax for, in NL he will later receive 1 x a week 1 clean diaper for his contribution.
I also said fair
Levina , at the Makro / Carrefour I get my soda , among other things . beer, meat, fish for freezer, dairy products, including butter, detergents, body lotion, toothpaste, razor blade [160 baht for 2 pieces, and I need 4 p/m, due to heavy beard p/m] sometimes a new pan etc. coffee [DE].
On the market 9000 , [12000 typing error] Vegetables Fruit, sometimes fresh fish and meat and sometimes a plant [don't forget, everything is huge, increased in price here, the 6 years that I have lived here.
I have 2 dogs, which also cost 1 and the other and are also entitled to decent food and a vet.
Pim, absolutely right, I sting, about, cost of living
That young people, who now work, have to pay for me is greatly exaggerated, I did that too, from my 14th [before, and after school, plus Saturday from my 10th, working in the country and at home for a seriously ill mother ] I had to stop , in 2005 , because I "worked myself to death" the God in France, the sun is here , 30 gr muscles need me , according to the doctors'
If you pay 60% tax, your income, as well as your income, will be very high!!! so you have nothing to complain about, what you live on is your net wage, that gross is important for possibly, later benefits
thailand cheap? My condo costs me 80 bucks a month and because of all the price increases here in the area I have to rely on the running buffet at the Oriental instead of a decent a la carte bite at Senor Pico's.
A letter with my personal monthly cost is on its way to the 2nd room as we speak 😉
If you want / can pay 80,000 for a condo per month, I think there is nothing to worry about. There's a palace for that, even in Bangkok. You can make Thailand as expensive as you want, of course.
Robert.
Wake up, this is a joke.
I missed a moment between all the serious responses.
I think it is an excellent thing that the government is going to tackle benefits in general, but in particular those going abroad. Nine out of ten guests who stay there with a Wao/Wia benefit can drink, dance and fuck, but they supposedly do not work. As far as I'm concerned, they should immediately stop the benefits of such guests.
I also think it's crazy that an unmarried couple receives child benefit for children who live abroad, and that only because the mother lives here. The Netherlands is completely over socialized and it is high time that the benefit rules were tightened. I also think that the difference between working and non-working people should become greater. We will be amazed how many of those guys can suddenly work for the money.
Dear Ferdinand!
Nine of those 10 people have often been made impossible to have 1 more decent existence in NL because of the alimony that their dear ex needs to be able to dance in NL with her new boyfriend, drink champagne while sleeping in the bed paid for by their ex. can flip.
It is hoped that you will not have to experience this to have to knock on the door of the Salvation Army for 1 postal address and for the rest there is no house available for you.
1 divorce should be a way apart and not a punishment for the man who has taken care of 1 other's daughter for years.
Before you give 1 judgment you should first find out the background.
I agree with you that the benefits should rightly be put in their place.
But as long as the white plates still earn a lot from it, not much will change.
There are more and more real Dutch people who feel betrayed as they approach their old age and pack their things.
Fortunately, they have an eye on how they are being taken by those guys.
Dear Pim, I have been divorced twice myself and therefore really know what it is to pay alimony. However, the amount of alimony is related to the amount of your income. If you don't earn much, you don't have to pay much. Furthermore, alimony to your ex-wife is fully tax deductible. Even alimony to children is deductible as maintenance for children (for a fixed amount). In my opinion, these are therefore no reasons to simulate one or the other illness in order to receive benefits unjustly. People who are really ailing and therefore unable to work fully or partially are entitled to this and that is what these benefits are intended for!
That everyone is entitled to a good old age is fine, but then from the Aow and any accrued pension and therefore not early to go abroad at the expense of the community!
Ferdinand ,
Before we digress, there are lawyers who are known as man haters in our area.
These know how to legally destroy you,
You are right in what you write down but the practice is different.
In my case, the benefit is gross because otherwise there would not be enough left to live here together.
The result is that you cannot deduct anything from the tax. 2% per year of your AOW is deducted and you are not insured.
Due to my illness I can not take out insurance here .
The prospect is when I turn 65 I'll just have to figure it out.
1 better idea it seems to me to completely undress crime worldwide, that only brings in money in proportion to taking away 1 few euros from poor people that they already need so badly.
Dear Pim, what I have written is practical. Furthermore, a benefit is always gross and if wage tax is deducted from it, which is almost certainly the case in your situation, then there is indeed something to deduct for tax purposes. It will of course be different when you go abroad, but that is a choice that you make yourself.
I see so often that people flee from the problems, because they no longer see a way out. The point is, however, that you actually postpone those problems and sooner or later you will have to face them again. It is therefore important to seek professional help in such situations. You know the saying “the soup is never eaten as hot as it is served” and that is often the case.
Hello, Ferdinand.
Let's stop talking about my personal situation,
Did 1 of your wives also submit 1 pay slip of 1 month just before the divorce on which she earned so little and the judge was satisfied with it.
Shortly after the divorce, she went to South America for quite some time, then to visit her sister in Canada and then take a holiday in France.
The money she lacked to buy 1 house has also come.
With 1 burn out I ended up here, which in the beginning almost cost me 3 times my life and a lot of money because I ended up in the wrong circles and was warmly welcomed there.
My girlfriend saved me and made me realize that there is also 1 other Thailand.
Now I am 1 respected person in all circles .
I've lived here for quite some time
My Dutch accountant who has been working for me for 30 years with full satisfaction on my part still takes all the courses needed to keep up with the legislation.
In NL, he is also my chargé d'affaires, which I can recommend to anyone who is going to live here.
Let NL keep the Thai system to cut costs, whoever wants to live here has to pay.
You don't hear Switzerland complaining either, no work, then you have 1 problem and you can enter your family instead of visiting them again.
Leave the benefits alone from the people who worked for them and let the abusers see the consequences ,
Dear Pim, I refer you to the posting dated 16.11.2010, from Gringo “Relationship with a Thai, yes or no”. In response, I wrote something about myself on 24.01.2011 at 18.06:XNUMX PM that will appeal to you. Because there is another Ferdinand on the blog, I wrote my name with a t.
When it rains in the Netherlands, it drips in Flanders. I fear that this measure will also be applied to us. May sound rude, but then I hope that asylum seekers or foreign nationals who receive support and transfer money monthly to support the family at home will also have their income reviewed. In the end, don't they send money they can "spend" on the month? And it is not the taxpayer's responsibility to support the family of foreigners abroad who never, and never will, contribute to the social system.
Whether this is also the case in Flanders, I do not know, but in the Netherlands asylum seekers are not even allowed to work, so there can be no question of transferring money and if "foreigners" already enjoy support, then they must first have worked for it (otherwise they would not be entitled to a benefit) and in that case they are of course free to do what they want with that money.
Indeed, in Flanders (Belgium) it is different, here one does not have to have worked at all to be provided with maintenance. All kinds of loopholes that make it possible to enjoy support. One of the points where government formation is so difficult here. BEST REGARDS