Message: Henry
Subject : Immigration Nong Khai
With permission I would like to send you this list. On May 31, 2019, I had to report to the Immigration Service in Nongkhai for my 90 days. Ask what you need to extend your Retirement Visa. Got this list.
In my opinion, not complete, since the 3-month arrangement after your obtained visa also stamps the 800.000 baht on your bank account. must have, as well as the rest of the year the 400.000 baht. not mentioned herein. They also ask more for the 65.000 baht scheme. New to me are the 3 photos up to the bedroom and a google map print. Even after you have made a copy of everything, you have to show the original, from bank book I understand, but I have a rented house so no house book. I myself go for the 800.000 scheme.
Hope readers find it useful
Application For Retirement visa extension
Be advised to bring original and two copies of each document mentioned below though if it's a letter to the Immigration Officer the original document plus one copy.
Extension application form (TM. 7) in filled form, complete with picture.
1. Photo copies of passport or travel document (Complete with copy of all pages that has anything to do with the current visa, re-entry visa's, arrival stamp's and current TM.6 slip etc.) Original Passport Book need to be shown too .
2. Valid visa, category NON-IMMIGRANT “O” (This Visa can only be obtained from a Thai embassy or consulate, outside the Kingdom of Thailand)
3. Applicant's age must be 50 years or more.
4. In case of having monthly income. Applicant must provide evidence of a monthly income with a minimum of 65,000 Thai baht. This evidence must include a letter of certification issued by the Embassy / Consulate of which applicant hold citizenship, (Embassy /Consulate stamp need to verified by Thai Minist1Y of Foreign Affairs Consular Department at Chaeng Wattana Road, BKK) Income could be pension, interest, investment payoff etc. (Evidence and letters etc. only accepted in English and / or Thai, all other languages must be translated and verified)
5. In case of having a saving deposit account in a bank, with in Thailand. The available balance must be at least 800,000 Thai Baht, and has to be in your bank account for at least 3 months before your visa renewal.
6. The bank must be issue a letter of verification (Bank Statement), stating the current balance of the saving deposit account. (Bank Statement should be made the same day as application for visa extension is submitted) Copies of all pages of Saving Deposit Account Passport Book. note; money must be in a Thai Bank.
7. In case of having both monthly income and saving deposit Account, must be at least 800,000 Thai Baht (Evidence as mentioned in paragraph 4 & 6 must be provided too.)
8. One photo size 4×6 cm. Full face photo taken within the past 6 months.
9. Copy of I louse. Registration Book, for the house applicant reside in. (Bring original book too.)
10. Application fee for extension is 1 Thai Baht.
11. Have a picture foreigner in your house for 3 (Front yard, reception room and bedroom). Map a house 1.
12. The last 6 months bank statements.
13. Other needed document as informed by Immigration Officer.
note; when living in Thailand on Retirement Visa, employment is prohibited.
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Thank you for the notification.
Seems more like a list that they already applied before the new rules.
1. If they want the amount to be added up for another 3 months after the application has been granted and that you can then drop to 400 Baht, they may state this with the application.
Finally, this is about what must be submitted with the application. Not what you have to meet during the annual extension. By the way, it says that it must be on the account 3 months before the application. Normally that is now only 2 months according to the new rules. But that's probably the local rules again.
2. Usually the proof of income from the embassy is sufficient, but there are more who ask that the proof of income from the embassy is also legalized by the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
3. Those photos and plan. I also had to deliver in Kanchanaburi for a “Retirement”. In the past, this was only requested at “Thai Marriage”. Now you see it more at “Retirement”.
4. Address record book. They probably want to see that the address actually exists. Then you have to ask the homeowner if they want to see it. Perhaps it is not unwise to take your rental contract with you.
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I just got back from my 90 day report at immigration Jomtien. All they asked for was my passport. Old message out and new message in. I didn't time it exactly, but it was barely more than 30 seconds in/out. So apparently there are different interpretations.
This is therefore not a 90-day notification at all.
It is a list of what is required when applying for a year extension.
“On May 31, 2019, I had to report to the Immigration Service in Nongkhai for my 90 days. Ask what you need to extend your Retirement Visa. Got this list. “.
In the questionnaire point 4, and I have already sent it to you Ronny, the income is mentioned as 'investment pay off'. Main meaning is payoff; then settlement, income. If you would like to apply this, you will run into a closed door at the embassy: only income that can be verified by the tax authorities will be accepted. Someone who is renting (or renting out a house in box 3) will therefore have a shortage of income here. Verification of the signature of the embassy employee on Chaeng Wattana has been a requirement there for years.
That's why I went on 8 tons of bank money. The bank note must still be there from the day itself. Finally, the bedroom photo has been added. I don't immediately see Google, but I had to hand in a sketch of the street, alley and house (by no means all roads are on Google Maps).
Hi Erik,
Yes, I do remember that you have sent me that before and that it has been several years now that people also want to see a legalized income statement from Chaeng Wattana.
But of course this list contains the requirements as they are for all foreigners who apply for an annual extension. Not just for the Dutch. Whether the Dutch embassy will only accept verifiable income makes no difference to immigration.
Immigration Nong Khai was also one of the first I think a few years back to intend to see both an income statement and monthly deposits. I don't know if that was eventually implemented.
Google is usually accepted, provided of course your address can be found on it. Drawing the road to address is always good.
Hello Ronny LatYa,
can you be a bit clearer about the photos of the house (condo) to be submitted?
1. of what exactly should these photos be? living room ? bedroom? kitchen? bathroom? front desk? entrance building? or what more?
2. does the applicant have to be in this photo?
3. the floor plan must be that of the apartment or of the building with surroundings (google map)?
4. do these have to be separate photos or can they also be printed on an A4 sheet?
5. how large should the size of these photos be.
Thank you very much for your answer.
Paul
Hello Paul
Based on the list that Hennie was kind enough to provide, namely point 11:
“Have a picture foreigner in your house for 3 (Front yard, reception room and bedroom) . Map a house 1.”
It's rather clumsily worded, but I deduce the following:
3 photos of yourself: one at the front of the house (front door, porch, front yard,…), one in the living room and one in the bedroom.
I don't know if you can print these photos yourself. I don't think there are any criteria for the size.
The purpose of the folder is to make it easy for the immigration service to find your home during a possible home visit/check. So a sketch of the way from the immigration office to your residence. No map. Can this be done via Google maps, all the better, but a hand-drawn sketch is also good.
Note 1: with "reception room" one does not mean the "reception" (no one has it), but the room in which you receive people (say the living room, so)
Note 2: I am also basing this on my experience with the photos I have to deliver for my Thai wife based annual renewals. These three photos are also requested here. Mind you, sometimes people want a photo on which the address plate can be seen. That is not always possible on one and the same photo with the “front yard”. If you can, make sure you can see it. If not, take this extra photo.
I had printed the photos, two on an A4 sheet. In color. Wash well.
Adam already explained it, but in case you meant Kanchanaburi.
I did not take the photos myself at the time. When I went to apply for my year extension, I didn't have it with me. Normally not necessary with a “Retirement” application, but the immigration officer said they would come by anyway. Then they took those pictures themselves.
Normally it is like this:
1. Four photos from inside and outside the house. Usually one of the bedrooms is also included. The house number must also be clearly visible on one of the photos.
2. Of course you have to insist on everything. And preferably with other people too. Landlord, girlfriend, neighbours, etc.. In my case, an immigration officer always took a picture with them.
3. No floor plan of your home. Only the way to your house/apartment. Doesn't have to be from the immigration office itself, but you can take a reference point known to everyone, such as a temple, bridge, government building, etc.
Google is usually good, but I had a sheet with the road to the house drawn on it. The latter is always accepted.
4. May be printed on A4.
5. The photo must be of such a size that what is on it is clearly recognizable.
point 9, copy housebook ( bring original too ) seems like a difficult task to me. Do not see the homeowner handing over the original housebook so quickly. Usually will not want to go to immigration with the applicant. ! Or am I wrong?
Usually a copy of the house book, a copy of the landlord's ID card and a rental contract will also suffice, I suspect.
Well, otherwise I think that applicant has a problem. But whether immigration will lose sleep over that…
I think it's best to have your own “Yellow Housebook”, the yellow booklet issued by the town hall (Amphor). A very valuable official national registration of your status as a resident (เจ้าบ้าน=householder) or (ผู้อาศัย=inhabitant), with the usual data for every Thai.
Address and your name in Thai script. And also your unique Thai ID Number (6-xxxx-xxxxx-xx-x).
I was in NongKhai on May 30 for my extension. The following comments on the points mentioned.
8. Must be 2 photos. I had 1. 4 passport photos were taken on site for 100 Baht.
9. No house book. I don't think a homeowner will just hand that over either. I had a copy of the owner's ID and a copy of both her house and my rental house. Only 1st page. Also a copy of the rental contract and a copy of the last proof of payment. The latter may be superfluous.
11. 4 photos, of which 1 from the street with my wife and me with a clearly visible house number. I did not have this because there is no house number visible. I was allowed to solve this by writing down the house number on a large sheet of paper and taking a picture of both of us. I could have the photo printed at the immigration office, but had to pay 100 Baht for it.
12. Unknown.
I did ask whether I should leave the 800.000 until the 90-day notification and whether I had to go to the bank again for this. But that was not necessary. Just bring your passport, the official said.
When I submitted my 90-day notification at the beginning of May, I had asked whether the extension was the same as the year before. Then it was said: "Yes, exactly the same." Assume that the rules can change per day. In any case, I will make sure that the 800.000 baht remains for at least another 2 months. After all, in 2 months I can already report my next 90 days. Then I can spend the 800.000 freely, I think.
Strange situation at Ruud NK.
– new rules regarding the bank amount are not applied
– must deliver photos with wife
You would think that Ruud would apply for an extension based on Thai marriage, but why 800K? Maybe a joint account?
Please do not confuse annual renewals based on Retirement and based on Thai wife. The (general) rules regarding the bank balance have been changed for the former, but not for the latter!
No grant based on Thai marriage and no joint arrangement.
Well, there is a new staff….. I have been there 16 times for extension. Everything on A4, single. Wrong, had to double. Year on: everything on A4, double. No, is too much...... Your own photo, no is too big. So they make 4 for 100 baht, nothing too expensive. Year on: neat own photo, exactly to size. No, just sit there (left chair) and they will take a picture with the webcam. Free. Fine. Year on: why don't you have a photo with you? 4 For 100 baht…….
This is Thailand, always different wishes, and yet in 20 minutes outside with a stamp.
Yes “organizing” things. Was last for a TM-30 report in Korat. Room with up to 30 visitors and a senior officer who checked all documents at the table: did I… did I…etc. , so a stack of documents just to tell you that you are there. Then, after waiting, it's your turn: the nice lady says: you don't need all these documents, only your passport because you are already in the system of Immigration. Aaahhh. Look, she deprives the printer's assistant and the senior officer or supervising student of her job. Imagine not copying every page with your visa extensions and holder page and arrival in the country and TM6 form in the future, just saves 10 to 15 pages because the same pages as well as the visa reconnaissance are always already in the “system”.
Yesterday I went to the immigration in Hua Hin to have my annual visa extended. What did I bring? Passport (of course), proof/confirmation of income (from the German Consulate - have German income), a copy of my health insurance (not required, but accepted), yellow booklet and the original printout of my last income (they made a copy of).
A man is sitting at the entrance of the office, who then directs you to sit down and calls you in due time. He fills out all the necessary documents, then he lets you make another copy (downstairs is a woman with a copy shop who knows exactly what to do), back again, got my number, called after ten minutes, handed everything over and Paid 1900 Baht.
Another ten minutes later I got the extension for a year and could go home.
This was a piece of cake. All I had to do myself was sign a few signatures and have the copy made.
Why on earth would you take copies of things you don't need. A bit strange.
Exactly, I find that strange too. Why give Thai Immigration Officers ideas? There is already a discussion about mandatory health insurance with an “OA Retirement”, plus the fear among many that this obligation will expand to other visa types. What do you want if you can meet the income requirements by means of a "Thai wife visa"? Do you have your ThB 40K together at the low Euro exchange rate, will you also have to pay for health insurance? Tasty!
How stupid do you think those officials are? I had one copy with me because it wasn't really clear. At first there was talk that you had to take your insurance with you with a new application and not with an extension and shortly afterwards it was written again that this must be necessary. So I just played it safe.
I already told the officer that I probably brought too many papers, to which he replied, give them all and I'll check. Easy.
How hard can it be to get a visa? One or two passport photos? You don't know, just bring two or three. I had two with me, he only needed one. All the better.
Dear Ronnie,
Now I read at point 2. (This visa can only be obtained from a Thai embassy or consulate, outside the Kingdom of Thailand)
I cannot get a “non immigrant visa” at the Thai embassy in The Hague because I cannot prove that I have a pension. (Stop working yourself and have enough money)
Want to take a tourist visa for 60 days, and convert it in Bangkok to a “Non immigrant”. But as I read it now, this is not possible. Is that right?
Sincerely,
Rob
You shouldn't take that too literally, because then few could get an extension.
For example, it says that you must have a VALID VISA, but you must not have a VALID VISA at all, but you must have a valid period of stay.
In your case, your Tourist status will be converted to a Non-immigrant status. This is not a new visa, but a conversion of your status. You can then extend the 90 days that you receive by one year.
As for your visa. In Essen, this is normally no problem at all to obtain a Non-immigrant “O”. Only a Single entry but that is sufficient. You got it the same day. I would prefer that road and take a day off to travel to Essen.
Depending on where you live. I live in the Eindhoven region. Get in the car at 7.30 or 7,45 am to be at the consulate in Essen at 9 am.
Passport, completed form (via their site). a passport photo, extract from civil status in connection with marriage and an income statement + 3 most recent bank statements with deposit of income.
If I don't have people in front of me who were there before, I will be outside again at 9.10 with a 90-day visa.
Since 2008 I have been living in the Netherlands for 4 months and 7 days and the rest of the time in Thailand on a year extension.
Always report me upon arrival within 2 days or at imigration in Jomtien or in Uttaradit.
Always request an extension immediately. Because I am known in both places and my data in Thailand in the computer is never any problems.
Just need to show the same papers I use at the consulate.
In Jomtien often ready within 15 minutes (live close by and always check if it is busy and get there before opening time in the morning). In Uttaradit, an “old” colleague of my wife arranges it for me. I don't even have to report myself. Bring papers in the morning and always return in the evening.
Why does someone who has an annual extension go to Essen every year to ask for a new visa?
Upon arrival you will receive a residence period of 90 days. A year extension always starts following those 90 days. In total, that is good for roughly 15 months of residence.
That always falls within your residence system of 4 months and 7 days in the Netherlands and slightly less than 8 months in Thailand. A "Re-entry" is then sufficient every year before you leave Thailand and to apply for a new year extension every year.
Or you should of course prefer to make a useless trip to Essen every year and then pay 60 Euro there instead of paying a “Re-entry” of 1000 Baht in Thailand.
By the way, I am surprised that Jomtien gives a year extension so early (2 days after entry) and you don't even have to show a “Visa Support Letter” or income statement from the consul. Anyway, how you do it through your wife is of no news value to other applicants. So leave that out because you only create confusion that is of no use to anyone.
Dear Ronnie,
Thanks for your quick response. I think I'll take your advice and make it a day at Essen.
Do you still have a question about converting “tourist visa” to “non immigrant”. Go the 60 days off the 90. Or does the “non immigrant” start at the time of application?
Sincerely,
Rob
Why not take a 90 day visa in Essen? Depending on where you live, it really doesn't take a day. Be there early in the morning, preferably the first to be ready at 9.15.
Year visa applies including the 90 days. So from entry. Oh I always request it on the second or third day.
From Eindhoven it can be done in 1.15 minutes. Oh I'm riding his German.
Here are the provisions. the costs and the application form.
http://thai-konsulat-nrw.euve249425.serverprofi24.de/visa/
Oh - When someone says "take a day out" it doesn't literally mean a day (sigh)
Oh – A year extension (for the tenth time that is not a visa) always starts immediately after your 90 day stay. Never from entry.
Oh – On that it also calls an “extension”.
Oh – By the way, he's talking about converting a Tourist to a Non-Immigrant status.
If you convert from a “Tourist” to a “Non-Immigrant”, the 90 day period begins when the conversion request is approved. The days before that you have obtained with your “Tourist” do not count. It is a completely new period of stay as if you entered through a border post with a Non-immigrant “O” visa.
NB. If you were to submit that application, remember that you must have at least 15 days of residence left at the time of application.
But as I said before. Essen is a much better solution and then you immediately get rid of that hassle in Thailand. Especially in Bangkok.