TB Immigration Information Letter No. 046/23: Thai Embassy The Hague – Web page visa requirements adjusted
Reporter: RonnyLatYa
In response to a visa question, I noticed that the website of the Thai Embassy in The Hague had been adjusted again. Especially the web page about visa requirements.
E-Visa Categories and Required Documents – สถานเอกอัครราชทูตณ กรุงเฮก (thaiembassy.org)
Then click “CLICK HERE FOR INFORMATION”
What is immediately important for the reader seems to me to be that:
- The Non-immigrant O Retired now appears to be limited to Single entry. For Multiple entry it seems that you have to go to the Non-immigrant OA, among others.
- The Non-immigrant O Thai Marriage also appears to be limited to a Single. I don't immediately see an alternative for those who want a Multiple entry.
- Visa prices are no longer mentioned or I cannot find them immediately. Might come later.
But take a look and see for yourself what's new. It takes some scrolling if you want to find something. A table of contents at the beginning would make it a bit clearer
Regarding the Thai embassy in Brussels. Still no news on that front. Is limited to https://www.thaiembassy.be/?lang=en
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Foreign. I applied for a multiple non immigrant O retired visa 3 weeks ago. Wasn't any problem. Received this last week.
Maybe you are one of the last?
Or it's an error on their new web page?
The future will tell
I also applied 2 weeks ago and received it last Friday.
As Ronny says, I unfortunately experienced it last weekend. No more multiple O possible, which was the case in many other countries for a long time.
Yes, not issuing a Multiple entry was indeed already practiced in many countries.
But most countries that applied this were mainly aimed at those who were not registered in the country where that embassy was located.
Such travelers could then only obtain a Single entry.
This is different.
Based on the information that is now on their website, Multiple entry actually no longer exists in the Non-immigrant O version. Both as Retired and Thai Marriage to stick to that one.
Jos, the new rules apply from October 28.
Ronny, the website of the Thai Konsulat in Frankfurt shows a similar PowerPoint document web page.
I suspect that the PowerPoint document comes from the Thai government and that the document requirements for visa applications are now the same at all Thai embassies.
https://frankfurt.thaiembassy.org/de/page/beantragung-eines-e-visas?menu=6375085791d6575d827d5de3
The original rules they received from Thailand were always the same for every embassy.
Yet every embassy felt it necessary to tinker with it and create their own version of it.
Let us hope that they will now apply this all in this way.
When choosing which type of visa, you can choose from Non-immigrant no longer than 60 days, visit Thai family for more than 60 days (so no longer than 90 days) and various other choices where only a single entry is possible with the O visa.
The annoying thing is that you cannot extend the Non imm -O for 30 days on the spot. You then end up with a one-year extension or an in-out trip (30 days exemption), which can be done twice a year by land (and where you often have to prove a return ticket). Tourist multiple entry can then be an option if you have no further interests in Thailand; such as motorcycle/car/driving license..
“…..you can choose from Non immigrant no longer than 60 days, visit Thai family longer than 60 days (so no longer than 90 days)…”
No longer than 60 days is a Tourist visa and not a Non-immigrant visa
– To visit family residing in Thailand (less than 60 days) (TR4)
but which is actually a useless reason if you request it for that reason. Even a Multiple entry is then not possible.
Simply applying as a Tourist (TR1) in this case gives you the same stay and the advantage that you can also apply as a Multiple.
Above 60 days, in other words 90 days, Non-Immigrant O is in this case
– To stay with Thai family residing in Thailand (more than 60 days) (O8)
– To stay with non-Thai family residing in Thailand (more than 60 days) (O7)
“…which can be done twice a year by land (and where you often have to prove a return ticket)….”
When entering by land it is rather rare that one will ask that. Also with an entry by air by the way. There must be a reason for that.
Usually it is only at check-in that people want to make a fuss about this.
By the way, people never ask for a return ticket. No one is obliged to return. It may also be an onward flight ticket.
When entering via land with a 30-day exemption (which is allowed a maximum of 2x per year from 1/1 to 31/12), you will often be asked for an exit ticket
If that were the case, few border runs would be performed on Visa Exemption.
So no…
Yet I know a number of people who were asked this upon entry through immigration chon chom (Surin). And... you enter Exemption, do 1 border run and the 2 times a year are over...
Not if those previous entries on Visa exemption were not via land.
It is twice via a border post overland, other entries via an airport do not count.
After going through a land border post twice, they will say to either enter through an airport or to purchase a visa first.
In principle there is no restriction with air arrivals. Although if you do that back-to-back and several times in a row it will lead to some questions from immigration about what you are actually doing in Thailand and what you are living. It is possible that they will ask what your future plans are and they will ask for a ticket but also for financial resources.
If people think that you benefit too much from the Visa exemption, they will probably say that if you want to enter the next time and within a certain time, you must first purchase a visa.
This is how it works in most cases
And it is quite possible that you know some of them. I don't claim that it is impossible, but that is something different than often happens.
I know quite a few who have never been asked.
Also, one border post is not the same as the other.
But there may also be a reason why those you know had to show this. I have already explained why above.
This actually means that you have to arrange a new ticket for each new arrival.
That doesn't happen
So no…
It might be nice to know that it wasn't always 30 days and there weren't really any restrictions.
On January 1, 2017, this changed and it became 30 days instead of 15 days by land, a maximum of 2 times a year by land.
That's how I let it be known on TB
https://www.thailandblog.nl/visumvraag/visa-exemption-nieuwe-regelgeving-bij-binnenkomsten-land/
I sometimes extend the Non-O (Thai Family) once for 60 days.
The requirements are much lower than for a one-year 'extension', comparable to extending a tourist visa (and of course the marriage certificate).
If you are married to a Thai, that is indeed a possibility. Also as a parent of a Thai child by the way.
This is also possible if you entered on a Visa Exemption or Tourist visa.
You can first extend for 30 days as a tourist and then as a Thai Marriage.
Normally accepted.
Yes, it can last that long.
First entering Non-O is 90 days
Renewal as Thai Marriage is 60 days
Total 150 days
Then border run
Entry on Visa exemption is 30 days
Extension as a tourist is 30 days
Extension as Thai Marriage is 60 days
Total 120 days
Repeat that border run again
That's another total of 120 days
150+120+120 = 390 days
Not bad 😉
Just browsed the information page of the Thai embassy in The Hague and in particular the non-immigrant options.
As I understand it, as a retiree who wants to live in Thailand with his wife, you are eligible for 2 options.
Non-immigrant O8: for staying with your Thai family. Similar to the Thai marriage visa.
Non-immigrant O2: Retirement visa.
When I look at the requirements, the requirements seem to be less and simpler. Indeed, it only states that it concerns a “single entry visa”.
My questions are therefore:
1. Can you just extend them for another year, just like before?
2. Are the costs as before?
3. If you extend, can you request a multiple entry?
Extending has nothing to do with this at all.
1. You cannot extend a visa, as I have written ... dozens of times.
It is only the period of stay that you obtained with that visa that you extend. This can be done for one year as always and under the same conditions.
2. Costs are the same
3. You could never request a Multiple entry when renewing.
The only thing you can request for an extension is a Single or Multiple Re-entry.
In short, nothing has changed...
I was the one, or one of them, who submitted a question about that. In the meantime, I have applied for it through Visa Central. Total costs approx. €330. This is partly because I booked a. 63 days. I should have done that 3 days shorter.b. I didn't have a chance to scan the documents, so I just brought them in personally (was on time one day, the processing time they suggest is not correct, it is much shorter, 14 days). I have now received my visa, happy to get going again.
Apart from the fact that the Non-immigrant O visa no longer appears to be available in Multiple entry, everything regarding visas and extensions remains the same.
There are no changes anywhere, as if it were actually quite normal for people to reassess the financial situation after 25 years.
And if they do it the same way as 25 years ago, nothing will change as long as you keep renewing.
Belgium has had a tax treaty with Thailand since 1980 that is comparable to what is currently on the table for the Netherlands.
Elite visa is not dead. It is something of the TAT. And that after 20 years they are given a new look… It is a club where nobody forces you to be a part of it
Previously, a non-immigrant O visa required EUR 1000 per 30 days of stay if the reason was to visit family or if you wanted to stay for 50 months as a person over 3. Now this has been significantly increased, as the financial conditions for 1 year of residence are 400.000 or 40.000 per month in the case of a family relationship as the reason for applying for a visa.
And I don't read anything about how long one can stay as a tourist with a multi-entry / single entry visa (TR1), which was 60 days per entry (for example at METV in the old situation and the old Tourist visa) but I don't read that anywhere (anymore). Now it seems to me that this has now become 30 days as this visa can be applied for for those who do not enter under visa exemption. There is then (also) no longer an option to immediately apply for a 60-day stay.
Another point is that you could extend a non-immigrant O visa for 3 months based on family relationship for 60 days in Thailand. Would this also apply to the 60-day tourist visa that you apply for because of a family relationship (TR4)? This TR4 visa seems like an extension to me because it was not there before.
Yes, for example for the Netherlands that was the case, but actually the requirement for a Non-immigrant O as Retired has always been that income of 65000 or 800 Baht. Also as a Single.
That is also what you have to prove in Thailand if, for example, you convert a Tourist to a Non-immigrant O. You must also prove those financial requirements for your first 90 days. It is no less because it only lasts 90 days.
Same for a Non-immigrant O Thai Marriage. Also there the requirements if you convert this in Thailand are 40 Baht income and 000 Baht bank account.
However, it is the embassies that have started to tamper with those requirements. For a Non-immigrant O Single entry, this was to your advantage because of the 1000 Euro/30 days. However, the requirements are now being restored as they have always been prescribed by Thailand itself and not the financial requirements that the embassies themselves had made.
“Now it seems to me that this has now become 30 days as this visa can be applied for for those who do not enter under visa exemption. There is (also) no longer an option to immediately apply for a 60-day stay.”
But where do you get something like that today that apparently would now have taken 30 days?
A Tourist visa still grants a stay of 60 days per entry. As a Single and as a METV.
Nothing has changed at all for Visa exemption, for a Tourist and for a Non-immigrant.
Visa exemption is 30 days
Tourist visa is 60 days. Single or Multiple doesn't matter. 60 days per entry
Nonimmigrant O is 90 days
Non-immigrant OA is 1 year
There have also been no changes to the validity period of the visas.
This is standard 3 months for a Tourist and Non-immigrant Single entry, 6 months for a METV and one year for a Non-immigrant Multiple entry such as the OA.
Nothing has changed at all regarding the period of residence or validity. Only the Non-immigrant O Multiple entry that had a validity period of one year has disappeared.
The exact period of stay can still be found on the Thai e-visa official website.
https://thaievisa.go.th/
Under visa category
Extending 60 days as a Thai Marriage/Thai Child has nothing to do with which visa you entered.
Can be obtained after a period of leave with a Visa Exemption, Tourist or Non-immigrant
see no. 24. In the case of visiting a spouse or children who are of Thai nationality:
https://www.immigration.go.th/en/?p=14714
There they do not say at all what period of residence you must have
Nothing has changed at all.
Maybe supplement.
You can indeed see that there are actually 2 types when it comes to the Thai family.
TR4 – To visit family residing in Thailand (less than 60 days)
O8 – To stay with Thai family residing in Thailand (more than 60 days)
TR4 actually existed before that, but don't ask me its usefulness.
It is actually an ordinary Tourist visa that has been applied for for the reason of visiting Thai relatives instead of Tourist reasons.
And that's what it says. "To visit" family. You don't have to prove anything financially.
The period of stay (60 days) that you obtain with this Tourist visa can be extended by 30 days and/or 60 days (reason for visiting a woman/child).
That's where it ends.
O8, on the other hand, does offer more options for a longer stay.
Here you don't see “To visit” but people are talking about “To stay”.
You will also have to provide financial proof for this visa. 400 000/40 000.
The period of stay you obtain with this (90 days) can be extended by 60 days (visit wife/child) but also by a year because this is a Non-immigrant visa. Same financial conditions than 40 000/400 000.
If you want to switch from your TR to a non-O later in Thailand because you want to extend it for a year, you will also have to provide financial proof of this in order to initially obtain those 90 days. There too, there is no question of 1000/30 days, but the full pot.
https://www.immigration.go.th/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/6.FOR-PROVIDING-SUPPORT-TO-OR-BEING-A-DEPENDANT-OF-A-THAI-CITIZEN-SPOUSE-VISA-NON-O.pdf
But to conclude.
Could it be that the financial evidence will be adjusted in the future from, for example, Retired or Thai Marriage?
Yes of course you can. I don't claim that either and the chances don't seem small to me after 25 years of the same amounts.
Who knows, maybe something will appear tomorrow, or next month, or next year,….
No idea because there are currently no signs that this will change in the near future (leaving the bar stories there 😉 )
If you now apply for a Non O single as a person over 50, the amount is 800.000 THB
Only if you are not officially married according to Thai law to a Thai partner and therefore apply for a retirement visa.
If you are married, there is nothing stopping you from asking for a retirement.
You are not required to apply for a Thai Marriage because you are married, just as you are not required to renew as a Thai Marriage because you are married.
You must of course meet the Retired requirements, such as age and financial requirements
Yes, and actually that has always been officially the case.
Only the embassies have reduced this to your advantage when you applied for a Single.
There is no official regulation that prescribes that the financial requirements must be less because someone applies for a Single.
The only basis on which financial requirements are based is the reason for the application. And in this case that is Retired and therefore 800 or 000 or a combination (although you see the latter disappearing even though it is still official proof).
Single or Multiple only refers to entries and that price is included in the visa costs. Not in the financial requirements to obtain the visa.
For example, if you are going to convert your Visa exemption or Tourist to a Non-immigrant Retired in Thailand, you will also have to prove those amounts and not 1000 Euro/30 days because you only get 90 days upon approval. Costs 2000 Baht and that is actually the price of a Non-immigrant O visa.
Watch.
https://www.immigration.go.th/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/9.FOR-RETIREMENT-PURPOSES-50-YEARS-OLD-NON-O.pdf
Dear Ronnie,
He is talking about non O multiple entry or single entry.
The multi is no longer offered, but can one not obtain Re-Entry into Thailand with a Non O visa, so that we can also visit some neighboring countries during these 3 months? (costs 1.000 THB)
And even a multi-entry, such as with the retired year extensions?? (3800THB???)
with thanks
A re-entry refers to a period of residence that you have already obtained.
This means that when you leave Thailand you do not lose that period of stay and you get that end date back when you return. As long as your return falls within that end date of course.
This means you do not obtain a new period of residence as with an entry.
For each period of stay obtained, you can indeed request a re-entry. Whether that is a period of stay of 30, 60, 90 days or a year. And that can then, depending on how often you want to leave Thailand, as a Single or Multiple re-entry.
Example.
You enter with your Non-immigrant O Single entry and receive 90 days
Set from January 1 to March 30.
You want to go to Laos from January 15 to 20 and first request a Single Re-entry.
When you return on January 20, you will again receive your old end date due to re-entry, i.e. March 30.
You want to go to Cambodia from February 20 to February 28 and first request a new re-entry
When you return on February 28, you will again receive your old end date due to re-entry, i.e. March 30.
You want to go to Malaysia from March 10 to 15 and first request a new re-entry
When you return on March 15, you will again receive your old end date due to re-entry, i.e. March 30.
So, as in this example, you can visit other countries with 3 Single re-entry and still keep the original end date of your previous stay period of 90 days.
A Single re-entry costs 1000 Baht each. If you want to go to another country more than 3 times, you are better off with a Multiple re-entry. That costs 3800 Baht.
Stel